Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question????

Mechanical Angel

No I WILL do all the neccesary testing. Where would you get off thinking I wouldn't???

I must've missed where you posted the testing you plan on doing before you breed...

The only post I saw were the ones with you saying you wanted to breed you female because she's blonde and has the greatest personality to a male that has displayed aggression.

BlackLabbie

What happens if the pup has a genetic defect? Like, molera? And then the dog is bought by a family and is OK for a while, then dies due the the genetic defect that you chose not to test either parents for....What are you going to do then? Just say "oops! sorry!"...

Just wanted to point out so no one gets confused, but a molera is not a genetic defect in Chis.  It is perfectly normal.    But otherwise, good thought.

Mechanical Angel

It says in reply to at the top of the post. That means Im replying to their last post. It wouldnt hurt you to read it.

After you hit the "Reply" button, on the next page you have to click on "Quote" in order to have the quotes you are responding to show up in your post. 

Mechanical Angel

It says in reply to at the top of the post. That means Im replying to their last post. It wouldnt hurt you to read it.

GypsyNBeau

BlackLabbie

What happens if the pup has a genetic defect? Like, molera? And then the dog is bought by a family and is OK for a while, then dies due the the genetic defect that you chose not to test either parents for....What are you going to do then? Just say "oops! sorry!"...

Just wanted to point out so no one gets confused, but a molera is not a genetic defect in Chis.  It is perfectly normal.    But otherwise, good thought.

Sorry, I don't know too much about Chi's (never owned one) specifically, wasn't 100% sure or not if this was genetic....I just heard they can easily die from this.

Mechanical Angel

It says in reply to at the top of the post. That means Im replying to their last post. It wouldnt hurt you to read it.

We can see who you are replying to yes.  But we can't see WHAT you are replying to.  We only see one half of a dialogue.  There's no need to be sniffy about it.  Regardless of the fact that I can see "In reply to..." at the top, I have been mystified on several occasions, because your words were meaningless on their own.  Sure it wouldn't hurt me to go hunting for that persons post that your message seems to fit to, but frankly that would be onerous and time consuming.  Which is presumably why we HAVE the quote button....

Anyway, in response to the original post, I can't say it any better than janet rose did on the previous page.  I think I did OK to last 15 rounds - sorry - pages - but I think it's all been said now.... 

Anyone was wrong if they responded to other people instead of me and stuck barb wire in them for something they said.

uh... this is a public forum discussion.... it's open for all discussion, between all members, not just the OP.

If you want to have a private conversation with someone, send them a message! When you post something here, you're bound to get all sorts of opinions and responses, not all of which may be directed with you. When you put a bunch of animal-passionate people together, you're going to get a variety of respnoses, some of which you may not agree with.

How can we educate people, if we aren't allowed to respond to them? I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just not sure why you have such a problem with everyone talking to eachother on here....

I am truly sorry about that. Ill do my best to qoute now.

Mechanical Angel

Anyone was wrong if they responded to other people instead of me and stuck barb wire in them for something they said. 

The rules of this forum allow people to respond to posters other than the OP and to disagree with each other very strongly.  However, posters who are rude or insulting do violate the forum rules.

If a poster (including the OP) wants to charge someone with breaking the forum rules (being "wrong"?), s/he needs to quote the text to which s/he is objecting and to explain why.  The word "wrong" isn't really very descriptive in this context.

The OP defines the subject of the thread and may object if the thread goes off subject.  Other than that the OP has no power (that I know of) to define their own rules for the thread.

janet_rose

If a poster (including the OP) wants to charge someone with breaking the forum rules (being "wrong"?), s/he needs to quote the text to which s/he is objecting and to explain why.  The word "wrong" isn't really very descriptive in this context.

 

Actually, no.  If one member thinks another has broken a rule, that's what the "Report Abuse" link at the bottom of every post is for.  Who broke what rule, when, where and why are not appropriate subjects for public discussion.

janet_rose

The OP defines the subject of the thread and may object if the thread goes off subject.  Other than that the OP has no power (that I know of) to define their own rules for the thread.

 

That part is, in general, true.  

Back to topic please...that's a Moderator request.

Discussions of how and when to use Report and how threads are usually found to run should be discussed in the OUR COMMUNITY section.

Thanks!

janet_rose

Can anyone reading this thread give statistics on the frequency of occurrence of the various whelping complications?

I know this is an old thread, but this question interested me, so I went looking for information. Here are a few studies related to problems with whelping and puppy mortality:

http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002&PID=2684

"Dystocia in the bitch is a common cause for veterinary consultation. The frequency of dystocia in the dog population is unknown, but is probably <5%, although in some breeds this figure may be as high as 50-100%."

(Dystocia means abnormal or difficult birth.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17187641?ordinalpos=7&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.actavetscand.com/content/49/S1/S2
"The rate of stillbirth and neonatal death is known to be relatively high in dogs. The few studies that has been published indicate a mortality of 17–30% within the first 8 weeks of life [1-6]. Stillbirth and death within the first week post partum was responsible for the majority of the puppy losses in these studies."

"An average of 0.8 puppies per litter (10.9%) were stillborn"

"During the first 3 weeks of life, the mortality rate of live born puppies was 6.9% (n = 45; 23 males and 22 females), of which the majority (64%) died within the first 3 days."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10490080

 "22% of the puppies died before reaching 7 weeks old. Stillbirth was the most frequent cause of death, followed by infection."

 I could not find anything about percentages of the different causes for dystocia.

I won't quote statistics..I will quote actual experiences...

From my last Am Staff litter in Sept= Emergency c-section,$955.00 after 4 hours of labor that produced on big puppy(dead) four more pups survived, one of the four had a closed rectum. $265.00 later and hopes of surgery to correct the the fistula we lost the pup before he was old enough for surgery and after our attachment to him for the special care we were giving him. Only reason I did this breeding was for a new show male. Two pups were given away to great homes and I have one girl here who was supposed to go to another home that backed out.

 Frenchie litter 3 years ago, pup developed an eye infection before eyes opened $320.00

 Previous Am Staff litter, resesitated pup born purple, went on to be a show dog, my first bred-by champion-died of cancer complications at four

another Am Staff litter lost pups to herpes

another Am Staff litter produced dogs that were moderatly displastic

Everytime you breed a litter you take the chance to losing pups and the bitch. I've been very fortunate but my friends have not been so fortunate, several have lost entire litters and several bitches.

I thank the Lord each time we've opened up my Honey in her past three litters that she has come out so well. I can only hope her daughters will do as well.

 Breeding isn't for the faint of heart, it brings heart break and misery to those who are unprepared. Get yourself a good mentor for the breed, stock up on a few good breeding books and read them front to back a few times

Breeding for professionals

Canine Reproduction and Whelping

A breeders guide to care of newborn puppies

are a few to get you started

Don't forget the time, expense and energy that goes into raising a litter for 8-14 weeks. What happens to the pups you don't sell when they are 4 months old? What happens when the puppy buyer can't keep the dog you've sold them? Do you have ability to take back and keep EVERY dog you've produced?

With breeding comes responsibility, are you prepared? Most people aren't which is why questions are not well received here..most times they are questions that should have been known before spot and sally tied...some don't know the meaning of that word either