my girl's whelp

It sounds like this puppy may have hydrocephalus - did your vet mention anything about that to you? If that is the case, it is not likely he will live long and would explain his failure to thrive. If he does live, he will have mental disablities so to speak and you will need to make a choice to care for himk however long he lives or euthanize him. It is a pretty common problem with toy breeds and poodles are one of the most common breeds it is seen in.

http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Park/3905/hydrocephalus.html

http://members.tripod.com/elysiumdox/hydrocephalus.htm

http://www.upei.ca/~cidd/Diseases/nervous%20system%20disorders/hydrocephalus.htm

  I disagree with commercial formula being the best for puppies, as was mentioned pages ago it has been linked to cataracts. The ingredients in it are pretty poor too. I agree that taking this puppy to school was a bad idea. Also using honey with such young puppies is a bad idea. Have you read any of the info people have posted for you?

AgileGSD

If that is the case, it is not likely he will live long and would explain his failure to thrive. If he does live, he will have mental disablities so to speak and you will need to make a choice to care for himk however long he lives or euthanize him.

This is not an easy choice - I just went through this with my Heidi. Bred by someone who didn't know what they were doing, she did not do well. Her brother did not make it to 8 weeks, and Heidi barely made it to 3 months. One of the hardest things I ever had to do was put Heidi down, but I know it was for the best. I still cry, even now, just thinking about her. I'm sure my Heidi had hydrocephalus, she showed all the signs. It was not fair to anyone involved in this situation, mostly her. She did NOT have a good life, not that we didn't try, but she was not set up from birth for success.

THIS is why I was so against you breeding your dogs. This is why I spoke out so strongly in the beginning. You are getting a lot of fantastic advice here, but you seem to be ignoring all of it. I've raised many litters, and they ALL were wormed no later than 2 weeks of age, and every 2 weeks until they went to their new homes. This was PER MY VET - who obviously has much more puppy expierence than your vet. Worm NOW - before it's too late. Worms KILL, don't believe me? Ask the dog that almost died of a hookworm infestsation. Ask the owner who spent thousands of dollars at the e-clinic, when they could have simply dewormed.

Make appointments for your pets to be altered, don't put them through this again.

The main reason some vets are 'against' worming until later is because is is very hard to properly dose very young pups because of their low weight, and a lot of people will overdose.

However, earlier is much, much better than later, as advised above, provided you can get proper sized syringes and not try to guestimate. Worms can easily starve and kill a pup, especially one who already has other issues.

I think it's time you hired someone to stay at home with this pup. 

(some people were complaining they had dog allergies, which really got me pretty POed considering it is a hypo allergenic 13 day old poodle

*headdesk* when will this myth of the  'hypoallergenic' property of  poodles stop? It's getting ridiculous....

the dosing for pyrantal is 1cc per 5 lbs of weight. Weigh the pup on a scale, and divide his weight by 5. That's the dose of worming for the pup. It's not hard to get an acurate dosing, and my vet has said on several occasions that some extra wormer is not going to hurt them - Not too much, but a little wont be a problem.

erica1989

the dosing for pyrantal is 1cc per 5 lbs of weight.

The dosage for Nemex-2 (Pyrantel Pamoate) is 1cc per 2 lbs of weight.  As I said in a previous post

At 1 ml (or cc) per 2 lbs (or 0.03125 ml per oz), you would need

• 0.0625 ml for a 2 oz pup
• 0.09375 ml for a 3 oz pup
• 0.125 ml for a 4 oz pup
• 0.15625 ml for a 5 oz pup
• 0.1875 ml for a 6 oz pup

erica1989

It's not hard to get an acurate dosing

What is difficult is making sure you have a very accurate scale, have the right syringe, and know how to properly read a syringe. When you are talking about ounces rather than pounds, the chances of overdosing due to human error go way up due to simple measuring errors

That's actually more what I meant when talking about proper dosing. SUre, its easy to calculate, but having all the accurate equipment to deal with very low weights and volumes the issue - thanks janet_rose 

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This thread is to remain civil...snark, sarcasm, brutally worded...scare your socks off posts...need not be put on it.

This OP is a young person and just keep that in mind. It's not your place...but her parents to assume the tough love type advice and rhetoric.

Be informational...be frank...but there is no need to be cruel or unkind.

Keep it civil folks.

Thanks.

rwbeagles

Be informational...be frank...but there is no need to be cruel or unkind.

Keep it civil folks. 

The OP has already decided not to return this thread and probably not even to the forum.  She is responding to me, so if forum members post with good info, I can relay it. 

I have been asked not to post any further information about the OP's dogs and I will honor that request.

DellaBella is allowing me to post that Calvin died - probably of pneumonia.  Resuscitation failed.  Before he died he had gained an ounce via dropper feeding.

The following is from a toy poodle breeder that I corresponded with:

The puppies this bitch had are too small even for toy poodles.  I'd say they were probably born prematurely.  The smallest pups I've had have been around 3.2 or 3.3 ounces, more often in the 4 or 5 ounce range.  I once had two pups that were 2 ounces and just under 2 ounces.  They were clearly not "done".  The little boy died on the second day, the little girl on the 4th.

Just a general note: hand feeding a pup that young nearly always leads to pneumonia from formula in the lungs.  For a very small or very young pup tube feeding is what needs to be done.  It's frightening to do without having seen it done but it gives the pup a much better chance. 

I'm very sorry to hear of the loss of Calvin - I know first hand how hard it can be to loose a pup you spend day and night with, just praying she'll make it one more day. This story struck me very hard, after just loosing Heidi to similar circumstances as above. It's very easy to aspirate a young pup/kitten if you don't know what you are doing - which is why tube feeding is always a better option if you have that availble. I really hope the OP learns from this life lesson.......

DellaBella would like the forum to know that she rescitated Calvin a total of 3 times.  After that the decision was made to let him go.

 I'm very sorry for the loss of Calvin.  I really wish this had turned out great and that all pups and momma had been happy and healthy.  It would have been nice to say you lucked out.  Hows the biggest boy doing?  Is he still thriving?

huskymom

 I'm very sorry for the loss of Calvin.  I really wish this had turned out great and that all pups and momma had been happy and healthy.  It would have been nice to say you lucked out.  Hows the biggest boy doing?  Is he still thriving?

Thought I would drop a note on DellaBella's behalf.... She has been in contact with some senior breeders on the list who are answering her questions and offering some new puppy advice.  She is doing a truly excellent job of asking questions and learning.  Anyone re-reading  some of the more emotionally charged posts will understand why a young teenager was rather overwhelmed by some of the views and attitudes.  She thought she could come to this list for help and some understanding but it was frankly a rough week for a lot of us and it was difficult to give her what she needed.  Mom and Puppy are doing great and she is a most devoted Grandma at a very young age!

She is already developing an interview process and a basic contract to insure the puppy will be well cared for when he is placed.  For the folks who did try to reach out she truly appreciated the help.  And for the ones who felt so strongly about the cinrcumstances on this breeding , you are right of course education is the only way to eliminate BYB and MIllers...It is also needed when mentoring the young who are brave enough to reach out and ask for help.

JMHO
Bonita of Bwana