My Vet Office Irks Me...

    • Gold Top Dog

    My Vet Office Irks Me...

    Kayla went for routine Vaccination last night. BF and I were making bets on how much she weighed. I was hoping for 8 - 9lbs and he was saying 9 - 10lbs.

    First thing I do when I get there was weigh her... um... she's 11lbs.... how?! everyone that meets her goes "oh what is she about 7 or 8 pounds?" and I always say 9lbs since that's what she was after she lost some weight and last time I weighed her before spaying.

    So I get in the room and Kayla FREAKS OUT... Kayla never... never... freaks out. She clung onto me like a monkey, no seriously, in monkey toddler position just clinging on velcro style for dear life.

    The Vet walked in (surprise surprise another person I've never seen before... honestly I don't think we've ever had the same vet more than once and that bugs me). It was a woman (usually its males).

    Um can we say drama queen (in reference to the Vet)? Poor little Kayla was shaking as I placed her on the table. She kept squiggling to try and come into my arms (extremely velcro, I've never seen her like this!) The Vet was FREAK OUT like "ah... umm.. ha... okay... uhh... easy... AH! okay okay okay!" like wtf lady my dog is just a little nervious she's not even that bad! she's a tiny little dog! she was such a FREAK. she made an assistant come in and hold her down, wtf?! I'm pretty sure I was doing a fine job and Kayla was just nervious for some reason... I don't think she liked the energy in the room or the lady... kayla is never like that.

    Then I asked her about how Kayla acts STARVING all the time and we feed her 1/2 cup of food per day. When she saw that Kayla was 11lbs she was like "ummm ya... uhhh your worried about her being under weight?" and I was like "umm... no... I'm worried that I'm just not feeding her enough, maybe she's not full" and she gave me this dirty look like "well I think she needs to lose a lot of weight this dog obviously doesn't get enough exercise" what?! Kayla doesn't look big at all! seriously if there is fat idk where it is... I personally think it's muscle since we've been doing agility now. I told her she gets an hour walk a day and does agility twice a week. Plus whatever else play and running around we do. And now she'll be in doggie daycamp once a week too.

    Then she tells me she's not giving her all of her shots. I asked her why and she said "oh that's just my preference... she had all of her shots at once last time but I just don't do that" and I just gave her this nasty look like you are SUCH an airhead lady... so then she had TWO PEOPLE hold Kayla down and away from me to do the shots! The more people that came in and the more pressure they pushed on her the more Kayla freaked her out! Finally I flipped out because the doctors kept being like "okay okay okay okay" and I YELLED! "KNOW WHAT! You need to chill out! First off 'okay' is her 'release' word so you are basically telling her she's free to MOVE. Second off you are FREAKING her out with your bad attitude and pack of nurses" you should of seen my boyfriends face he was mortified by me talking back to the doctor but he KNEW I was right! All of a sudden it got quiet in the room for about 15 seconds... very awkward... and guess what the lady says? "you know you really should be cutting your dogs nails more often" .... .... I said "What?! I groom my dog every single day, know what? I'm sorry but you both need to leave and YOU need to give her the shots right now and we're leaving"

    I guess it's one of those stories when you just have to be there... but honestly that was the most horrible Vet visit I've ever had in my life. I ALWAYS had a bad feeling about this place, I knew it!

    Needless to say I'm switching Vets now! And I'm having ONE VET! Not 5! Where do they come from?! I've never seen the same person more than once... ever!

    Ugh sorry I didn't even reread this I'm just so furious about it and I needed to rant about it and I need an opinion. I could not believe a VET was scared to death of MY Pomeranian... that lady has major issues. I swear I wish I had a camera... you guys would have thought this lady never saw a dog before in her life... it was REALLY weird... really really weird... to the point I wanted to file a complaint to the pratice.

    • Gold Top Dog

     I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. Sounds like that vet really freaked Kayla out. However, there is QUITE a bit of merit to spacing out vaccinations and not giving them all at once. While yes, it is cheaper and easier on the owner to give them all in one shot, it is quite a bit less stressful on the dog's immune system to space them out by a couple/few weeks. Likely this vet was of that train of thought which is becoming much much more common. At least three vets in my area space out vaccines and only give them all in one day if you demand it. Also, I know it was difficult to have others hold her away from you but if she was that nervous it's prolly better they held her down so they wouldn't hurt her while giving the shots if she struggled. I too prefer to hold Snickers when she gets shot but admittedly I am not as good at it as the tech and when she struggles for her blood draws or shots it causes way more pain. I've gotten to the point where I just ask the vet to give me direction, if I can help hold her great, but if not I feel better knowing techs are holdling her down and we have the best shot of not injuring her for shots. i go to a practice where there are mutiple vets, unless I request my fav I will get any of them. I tend to make this request when i have special concerns but dont' bother when I give them short notice or things are routine. I'll bet Kayla was picking up on your feelings too... i know Snickers does, lately when i've been at the vet anxious about things and freaked out she is more so.

    I hope you can find a vet you like who doesn't act so scared of a small dog. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    outdoorschik
    However, there is QUITE a bit of merit to spacing out vaccinations and not giving them all at once. While yes, it is cheaper and easier on the owner to give them all in one shot, it is quite a bit less stressful on the dog's immune system to space them out by a couple/few weeks. Likely this vet was of that train of thought which is becoming much much more common.

    I agree.  You may want to read up on the new vaccination protocols. I have not vaccinated in three years ( I do request titers every year).  Here's some information to get started.

    http://www.critteradvocacy.org/Canine%20Vaccination%20Guidlines.htm

    http://www.dogaware.com/misc.html#vaccination

    I'm sorry you had such a bad experience at the vet's office, but hopefully, you will be able to find a new vet that "fits".

    • Gold Top Dog

    Thanks for your good thoughts!

    Splitting up vaccinations doesn't bother me too much... it was her horrible mannerisms that irked me the most.

    We go out of our way to this Vet office since it was the only place I've ever used before (had them for my guinea pig & ferrets back in high school so likewise when I got a dog I said oh yeah I know of a Vet office). And since driving 20 - 30mins isn't worth it (to go to this place), I bet we'd have better luck with someone more local.

    Is it uncommon to have the same Vet everytime? I'm going to make sure I request it.

    I'm going to visit places in Ashland & in Framingham and meet with the Vets and see if it's the right fit. We're getting a brand new baby puppy soon and the last thing I want is a horrible Vet for an even smaller dog.

    I'm sick of getting Vets that act like they hate their job and don't want to be there. It's like I get stuck with all the rejected doctors who had to become Vets or something and just hate animals... bunch of grumpy butts up north here.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Does your dog ususally act that upset at the vets?  When I read that she was clinging to you, it sounds to me like she smelled something scary. (consider what transpires during the course of a vets day). And of course that vet just reacted upon the reaction, not very experienced? How old was she?

    Separating the immunizations is a very good idea.

    And you mentioned your pom is always hungry, did you bring a stool sample? Since she has weight gain doesn't sound bad. 

    Vets are like human clinics these days. Rare to have a primary care doc.

    On the southshore there are a lot of nice vets, but they tend to do everything the old way, ie the bundle of shots- not good. Would love to find  a vet  or vet group that is seasoned- and interested in wholistic medicine rather than shooting the pups up with every thing they want to sell you.

    • Gold Top Dog

    dogslife
    Does your dog ususally act that upset at the vets?

    NEVER! I was shocked beyond belief. In the waiting room she sat next to me and wagged her tail everytime someone said "well hello kaaaayla!" she's such a good girl!!! so proud of her...

    Then the second we got in the room it was total panic attack.

    The ONLY TIME... Kayla acts like this is when she gets a "bad vibe" about someone and the only other time she's ever done it is to this one lady who lives in our wing of the apartment complex... there is something about this woman. She can sense her coming down the hall and just STOPS dead in her tracks and freezes and refuses to move...

    I honestly am really nervious... what was it about this woman.

    dogslife
    And you mentioned your pom is always hungry, did you bring a stool sample? Since she has weight gain doesn't sound bad.

    I have before when she was intitally getting bad reactions to food. Her diet has been regulated for awhile now and her stool is just amazing. Firm and never sticks to her and non-foul smelling. When she got on the scale I was like no way... that has to be wrong... I'm stunned that she's 11lbs. Psh telling me I need to make her lose weight, yeah by what? STARVING her... she barely eats b/c I'm strict and gets plenty of exercise...

    dogslife

    Vets are like human clinics these days. Rare to have a primary care doc.

    Yes which I hate. They act like "whatever no big deal" to everything and if someone did that in a human hospital they would have a lawsuit after them. I'm determined to find a good Vet around here... I live in Framingham but I was going to Milford for the Vet. I'm going to try Ashland and around here... see what I can find.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Angell Memorial has some satellite places.  Have to check it out. But just like everything else, there is still some docs you would rather not deal with. 

    A good thing to do is to talk with any friends you have with dogs. If you know people that have a lot of experience with the various vets around, you can learn plenty about where you want to go for care and routine things.

    For instance, I have a neighbor who won't stay with one vet. She takes her dogs to have certain procedures and keeps all of the control rather than just let the vet charge with one thing after another, less consent. I just hate that and most of them do it. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    Yeah I'm going to talk to some people at work about it... my friends are like "Vet? whaaat?" they don't care as much as I do.

    Hopefully I'll find a place! :o) I want the new puppy to start off nice and fresh...

    • Gold Top Dog

    Pomeranian <3

    Is it uncommon to have the same Vet everytime? I'm going to make sure I request it.

    I guess it depends on the clinic, but I won't take Sassy to just any vet anymore. We ended up in a huge clinic early on and the experience was less than positive for Sassy and she had to be muzzled for her shots. I changed clinics, explained the situation before our first appt at the new place and made it my top priority that all experiences from there on out would be positive and they have. It was a good thing I did too. She started having some health problems that required frequent visits and I can't imagine what it would've been like if she'd been miserable. She now leaps out of the car when we get to the clinic and the staff and vets that she sees are wonderful. Keep looking until you find someone you feel comfortable with.

     p.s. I also agree with the idea of splitting up the vaccinations though, so at least that was a plus.

    • Gold Top Dog

    The hospital I use staffs half a dozen vets.  If you want the same one, you should be able to request it.  For vaccinations, I don't care who I get, but for Kenya's foot problem I always request a certain vet.

    As for the tech holding her, I think that's a liability/safety issue.  They're trained how to hold the dog.  While the dog might prefer YOU hold her, what if someone held their dog wrong and the dog got injured or died?  Then the client would be suing the vet for not having someone hold the dog properly...you get the idea. 

    • Puppy

    In regards to the comment that vets are med school rejects, and are angry because they couldnt get into med school, I will have you know that it is MUCH harder to get into vet school.  I know personally a person who ended up becoming an MD just because she couldnt get accepted into a vet school.  Eventually, AFTER she went through med school, she was accepted into vet school and graduated.  Just wanted to say that I found that comment very ill-informed, and insulting to a lot of hard working, kind hearted people.

    • Gold Top Dog

    shihtzugirl75
    In regards to the comment that vets are med school rejects, and are angry because they couldnt get into med school, I will have you know that it is MUCH harder to get into vet school.  I know personally a person who ended up becoming an MD just because she couldnt get accepted into a vet school.  Eventually, AFTER she went through med school, she was accepted into vet school and graduated.  Just wanted to say that I found that comment very ill-informed, and insulting to a lot of hard working, kind hearted people.

     

    Correct, there are way more medical schools versus vet schools......

    My vet office has two vets....when I make an appointment, I make sure that my fav. vet is there when I bring my animals in.....

    • Gold Top Dog

    I told some co-workers about the experience and they said there's always that one Vet in the office no one likes and avoids. Well I personally dislike every single one of their Vets. They have poor mannerisms and act as if I'm wasting their time. These Vets are no where near kind hearted or wanting to do their job. The lady last night acted almost as if someone was holding a knife to her throat throughout the whole procedure.

    Apologizes if someone was insult by the "med school reject" joke. It's kind of like the dentist joke "what do you call someone who flunked out of med school? a dentist" yeah idk all my co-workers were saying the same thing. "eh its just some med school reject bum who got stuck with animals." I had no idea it was harder to become a Vet then an MD (I'll pass the info around)

    I've learned my lesson that's what I think. When searching for a Vet I want to meet the doctors first. I want my Vet to be my resource, my mentor, someone there in aid... I mean that is their job right? I'm playing them lots of money to make sure my dog is healthy, so why not have a good relationship with them?

    Someone refered me to a place in Ashland I'll have to check out... I don't know I'm just a very protective "mother" and I know I'll be the same way with my own children's doctors. I want the best care if I'm paying them big bucks.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Liesje

    As for the tech holding her, I think that's a liability/safety issue.  They're trained how to hold the dog.  While the dog might prefer YOU hold her, what if someone held their dog wrong and the dog got injured or died?  Then the client would be suing the vet for not having someone hold the dog properly...you get the idea. 

    Yeah that does make sense; if she had said "Well she's just nervious isn't she? I'm going to have someone come in an assitant me so I can make sure we vaccinate her properly." No instead she acted like a child freaking out at the fact my dog was shaking and hollered for someone to come assist her as if there was a giant ape in the room they needed to tie down. It made me feel like crap.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Just a couple more thots – I think one of the things that I’m finding really critical to learn is how to present everyone at their ‘best’ at a vet’s office. There’s more good in planning than you might know – and I think if you can compartmentalize some of what you learned today you’ll agree.

    1. ‘ok’ is such an offhand comment (and often a nervous one – as in that particular situation) -- but it might be a good idea when you reach out your hand to take your vet’s hand something like this:

    "Hi, generally Kayla does really well with new people, and maybe I’m an unusual guardian for a little dog, but we do a *ton* of training. So – rather than set you up to have a hard time, I need to let you know first, the word "Okay" is Kayla’s release word. To her it means ‘You can move now" -- so please don’t use that word to settle her - it will make her want to move instead.’ And here is a small bag of treats – she’s had a couple of bad experiences lately at the vet and I’d rather you got the chance to feel like the good guy rather than have anybuddy get stressed!"

    Vet thinks "Hmm, she’s not afraid to speak her mind but it’s NICE that she is thinking of me having a good relationship and no misunderstanding with her dog! I like that!"

    2. When you make the appt, **ask** who will be seeing her. And then ask for that vet again if it’s a larger practice.

    Unfortunately I’ve learned to distrust large practices. I tend to seek out practices where there is only one or two vets - then I get to know them and proceed from there.

    Fussy? You betcha. I drive 40 minutes and go past probably 100 vet clinics to go to my ‘regular’ vet. I pay a small fortune to maintain a good relationship with both my regular and holistic vets AND I make sure when something is done at one clinic that the records are sent to both of them just so they have the whole file. I encourage them to talk to each other.

    You aren’t even talking about using a regular & holistic vet, I’m just using that as an example of the fact that good relationships with a vet *start* with you being comfortable and gaining trust in a vet (and if you can’t/don’t LEAVE and find another) but the best relationships are ones you work at. Where if the vet ticks you off you call and TALK to them.

    That doesn’t mean that this vet practice is worth saving. I suspect it’s not. But learning to set things up so your dog will get along is a big huge hairy deal.

    3. Next time you hear them say something that really isn’t going to ‘work’ (I’m back on the repetition of OKOKOK ...) before you lose your cool, SAY something.

    "Oops – hang on a second here. We need to drop back and re-group. First – this is SO **not** Kayla. Was a dog euthanized in this room or has a dog been brought in super in trauma in the last little while? She is never *ever* this upset at a vet. .... No, please don’t placate me ... we need to figure out what’s going on here. And ... while I’m at it ... please don’t say ‘ok’ -- it’s her release word and she’s struggling because you’re telling her with your mouth her command to be let go but you are restraining her and ... flatly she’s scared."

    You are likely 100% correct that your bf was upset that you’d ‘speak that way to a vet’. People generally don't (and probably should be a bit more constructively forthcoming before disaster looms).  When we wait too long to say something (and we're embarassed and upset too), blowing your cool isn’t ultimately going to help at all. So ... say something *before* ... while you can still move forward, pick her up and say "Hang on".

    We don't like to waste time, but sometimes simply picking up the dog to say 'You know what -- this isn't going well, I think we'll do this later when she's not so upset and I'm not so prone to saying something impolite.'

    Then ... simply vamoose.