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DPU

Posted : 12/28/2006 8:13:15 PM

ORIGINAL: dvet

Even the most obedient dog, when determined, will get to a bitch when he wants to.

that statement prety well covers it all...Never underestimate the power of a female dog in heat or a male dog within a quarter of a mile of a female in heat...course I guess you could say the same thing for humans...

And time after time Drizzle has taken care of the situation. That is my experience.

Michelle R

Posted : 12/28/2006 8:31:27 PM

I am curious, DPU, are you saying that when Drizzle is in heat she refuses to mate all on her own even though there's an intact male available? Not sure if I was misunderstanding. If so that seems like weird behavior. By the way, the dog in your avatar is beautiful!

One important reason people don't neuter that I can think of is just plain laziness. My dad falls into that category. When I was young we had a dog that he never had neutered because he just never "got around" to it. Luckily we never had any problem with Ru ever trying to get out of the yard or anything. Some people also I think don't want their dog to be "less of a man", to put it one way. Maybe that was my dad's real issue.
In the end there are many good reasons to neuter and only a couple good reasons not to.

jennie_c_d

Posted : 12/28/2006 9:33:47 PM

Drizzle is unusual, in my experience. Every bitch in heat I've seen has backed up to people, fences, cars, other bitches, anything she thought might cover her. I've seen dogs mate through a chain link fence (as many others have, I'm sure). Most bitches are more than willing.

DPU

Posted : 12/28/2006 10:17:55 PM

Drizzle does not initiate mating. On the property there are no intact males...but there are intact males roaming in the neighborhood. Drizzle will not allow any dog, male or female to mount her. She is big, she is muscled, and she can fly off all fours-twist-and snap at any advances. She's a Great Dane agility dog.

Corrections, Petro another Great Dane was intact for a couple of weeks and Newt was intact for a week, but Drizzle was not in season during those times.

DPU

Posted : 12/28/2006 10:27:37 PM

Then I have done good in raising my little girl. Not to be promiscuous.

jennie_c_d

Posted : 12/28/2006 10:40:01 PM

Then I have done good in raising my little girl. Not to be promiscuous.

Either that, or something's wrong with her, that makes her not want to breed. It is strange for a dog to not want to breed. It's instinct to procreate.

DPU

Posted : 12/28/2006 10:46:28 PM

ORIGINAL: jennie_c_d

Then I have done good in raising my little girl. Not to be promiscuous.

Either that, or something's wrong with her, that makes her not want to breed. It is strange for a dog to not want to breed. It's instinct to procreate.

There is nothing wrong with my sweet loving girl other than overcompensating when it comes to pleasing me.

ottoluv

Posted : 12/28/2006 10:50:00 PM

There is nothing wrong with my sweet loving girl other than overcompensating when it comes to pleasing me

I would love to believe that's true, but it's a dog, not a person.

Xerxes

Posted : 12/28/2006 10:50:15 PM

ORIGINAL: Benedict

True, you could. But it's not for me. As it happens, I was walking Ben today and we walked past a bitch on heat - why she wasn't on HER lead I don't know, but Ben was on his. Although he's obedient, has a great recall and heels well, I have a bruise an inch wide across the back of my hand from holding Ben off her. The leash cut into me and I spent 25 minutes when we got home with my hand under a bag of ice. If he'd been OFF his lead, I would have been prying Ben off a cute little brindle AmStaff and it wouldn't have been pretty.

Even the most obedient dog, when determined, will get to a bitch when he wants to.

Kate

Oh Kate you only got a tiny taste of what it's really like. I know it wasn't a good experience for you and Im' glad you only had to deal with a bruise. It's an ugly thing, isn't it?

DPU

Posted : 12/28/2006 10:59:31 PM

ORIGINAL: ottoluv

There is nothing wrong with my sweet loving girl other than overcompensating when it comes to pleasing me

I would love to believe that's true, but it's a dog, not a person.

Even the prominent dog experts qualify their writings by stating they don't really know what goes on in a dog's head. Glad you are so clairvoyant. Drizzle is fine and has been fine for the past 8 years.

ottoluv

Posted : 12/28/2006 11:04:31 PM

Even the prominent dog experts qualify their writings by stating they don't really know what goes on in a dog's head. Glad you are so clairvoyant. Drizzle is fine and has been fine for the past 8 years.

Not clairvoyant, but you are the one making assumptions about what's going on in your dog's head. I would be more careful, that's all.

DPU

Posted : 12/28/2006 11:11:15 PM

ORIGINAL: ottoluv

Not clairvoyant, but you are the one making assumptions about what's going on in your dog's head. I would be more careful, that's all.

It is not an assumption, it is a fact that Drizzle loves me and attempts to please me at every turn. I have stated my obversation of Drizzle when she is in season and I see nothing physical or mentally wrong with her behavior.

Added. Oh by careful I think you mean not letting the opportunity present itself. Yeah, I know-that won't happen even if a dog comes by the fenced yard. First I am out there with the dogs most of the time and if I am not all the dogs would be barking and their barks resonate throughout the neighborhood.

Michelle R

Posted : 12/29/2006 12:06:17 AM

I do have to agree with others and say that most experts agree dogs really aren't capable of forethought on that level. Almost all dogs want to please their owners, but they really wouldn't think ahead and reason out whether or not their mating would displease a human. Animals are programmed to do two things: survive and reproduce. Approval or disapproval doesn't factor into the equation.So I am sure there is a reason she doesn't breed, but if your vet is sure there's no serious medical problems behind it then that's fine and no one should worry about it.

ColleenC

Posted : 12/29/2006 12:18:54 AM

Bitches refuse to mate at first. They will snap and even be aggressive to advancing males. Towards the end of their cycle, they will stand. But, they will NOT stand before they are ready.
And, an intact male around a female in heat is a very ugly thing! Colton was a monster! He is fairly well trained and listens quite well, but during the first time he was around Rose while she was in heat, he forgot everything! There was no listening at all. He wouldn't eat anything, not even meat! He would take maybe 2-3 bites of food and thats it. This last time, he went for a visit at my mentors house while she was in heat.

Benedict

Posted : 12/29/2006 5:57:27 AM

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

Oh Kate you only got a tiny taste of what it's really like. I know it wasn't a good experience for you and Im' glad you only had to deal with a bruise. It's an ugly thing, isn't it?

Ed - exactly my point - I know how much worse it could have been. Honestly, as much as I adore Xerxes I don't envy you! For the sake of Ben's joints I can put up with this for a little while longer, but it will be a happy day when he gets fixed. I'm lucky I just came away with a bruise - a bigger, heavier dog would have had me off my feet in no time.

Kate

Why NOT neuter?