high alkaline phosphates

    • Bronze

    high alkaline phosphates

    Hi!
    I have two hefty female dogs (lab/chow is 12 and lab is 6- both weigh around 70 lbs.).  At one of our check-ups we found that the oldest had very high alkaline phosphate levels; after about $1,000.00 worth of testing they couldn't really tell me anything... the next step was surgery.  I declined this due to her age, the cost and the fact that we didn't seem to be getting anywhere.
    This year the younger dog was found to have the same high levels.  The same series of tests were recommended as well as a medications that will cost $300 for 1 month.
    Neither dog is symptomatic in the least.  They eat and void normally and seem to be happy with their lives; they have also been eating the same kind of food forever (Nutro brand).  Both dogs are indoor when I am home and have access to the outside when I am gone (doggy door).   I also have an indoor cat- she doesn't have high alkaline phosphate levels.
    Has anyone else dealt with this?  Any suggestions?  I don't mind spending the money as long as it gets us somewhere....
    Thanks for any input!
    • Gold Top Dog
    I have no answers for you but was curious.  What test did they run that found these high levels and was there a reason for running the test?
     
    I'm sure someone else will be along who hopefully can answer your question.
    • Bronze
    It was just a basic 'wellness' screening... they took blood and ran a bunch of tests...
    There wasn't any problems with any other area either... just the alkaline phosphates...
    • Gold Top Dog
      Hi rn116606 and welcome to i-dog. From what I could find with a Google search, high phosphate levels may be related to Cushing's disease : [linkhttp://www.vetinfo.com/dcushing.html#High%20Alkaline%20phosphate%20levels]http://www.vetinfo.com/dcushing.html#High%20Alkaline%20phosphate%20levels[/link]
     
      or too much fat in the diet or cancer: [linkhttp://www.knowbetterdogfood.com/forum/index.php?action=view&id=37]http://www.knowbetterdogfood.com/forum/index.php?action=view&id=37[/link]
     
       Your dogs don't seem to have either problem, but that's all I could find. I hope someone who has better info comes along soon to help.
    • Bronze
    Thanks!!  We have done all of the tests to rule out Cushing's and done ultrasounds to check the liver... all are leading us nowhere.  I think that is why I am frustrated... neither dog has any symptoms or appears to be in discomfort... we just keep looking for things and finding nothing... if we don't know why/how the levels are getting so high and have eliminated just about every probable cause/theory I am reluctant to keep spending money on medicine that may or may not address a problem they may or may not have... make sense?
    Thanks so much for the links- can't wait to check them out!
    • Bronze
    Thinking about the diet... can anyone recommend a good dog food?  Maybe just switching that will make the difference... they don't really eat junk and I thought the food they have now was good...
    Thanks!
    • Gold Top Dog
       The best of the Nutro foods is Natural Choice Ultra, but you can often get better foods for less. Nutro Ultra is over priced, at least at our local PetsMart. Here is a link with several good foods:

           [linkhttp://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/criteria_list_of_better_foods.htm]http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/criteria_list_of_better_foods.htm[/link]

    Of these, avoid Chicken Soup for The Dog Lover's Soul. It's made by Diamond, and they've had a problem with aflatoxin in their food. Even though they have recalled many of the foods they make, it's still showing up in some of their products  [linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=9490]http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=9490[/link]                                                                                        Aflatoxin is a mold that can be in corn and is fatal to dogs. There are supposed to be testing proceedures in place to detect it, but Diamond wasn't doing the testing as well as they should have. I love Eagle Pack Holistic Select. Many on this board feed Innova and Canidae with great results, and others love Natural Balance. You won't find these foods at pet food stores, but you will find many of them at feed stores. If you decide to try a different food, make the change slowly, taking about a week. Begin by adding small amounts of the new food and gradually increasing the amount of new food added as you decrease the amount of the old food. You can look up these foods online and compare ingredients.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Was it a senior blood panel? (at that age that would have been sensible for both of them). 
     
    Your ID doesn't say where you are located, but sometimes when you run your head into brick walls, it's sensible to go to the next step.  I've had incredibly good luck with finding a really decent holistic vet thru the Chi Institute website.  That's a vet that not only does acupuncture but also Chinese herbals -- but the point is their entire exam is different.  I've seen several of those vets be able to take blood tests and look at them differently ... finding something another vet misses simply because they are looking at the numbers (high or low) rather than how one thing relates to another.
     
    You might also want to investigate home cooking -- that way you can totally control the diet (including the phosphorous levels, etc.)  With my senior dogs I've found it invaluable  =- I know what's going "in" and can adjust it as need be.  (And I cook for three dogs)  I've found it VERY helpful ... one of mine is a thyroid dog as well, altho he takes Armour thyroid.  But it's a naturally-occuring thyroid (it is actually porcine thyroid substance -- and Billy's convinced it's a treat!!) so we're getting better test results from it.
     
    It may not JUST be the food ... but rather how the food dovetails with your water.  Do you give them tap water or bottled?  Just thots for you, anyway.
    • Gold Top Dog
        Callie has excellent advice and has helped many on this forum. You may be unfamiliar with holistic veterinarians but there are some very good ones who have helped dogs when regular vets couldn't. It would be a good idea to look for a holistic vet through the website that callie suggests. I don't think changing your dog's diet will be enough to effect the high alkaline phosphate levels.
    • Silver
    I came across bits and pieces of information pertaining to both humans and pets, that imbalance of calcium and  phosphorus in the diet results in an elevation in alkaline phosphatase levels.

    Also, diet aside,  Alk Phos levels can be elevated from bone growth, not just in pups, but healing bones such as fractures in adults.