Need quick answer - panting/hot dog

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    Need quick answer - panting/hot dog

    We have 2 dogs, both Rhodesian Ridgeback mixes.   The male is more pure than the female who is a Rhodesian/Pit mix.

    We noticed a problem, or at least we think its a problem, the other night with her.

    She was having a chew toy, both of them were, and she growled when we came near her.  This is an absolute thing not tolerated by us.   She was an abused dog and when we got her very agressive especially with food.

    We've worked with her for the past year and honestly she is about the best dog you could ever ask for now.  Happy and obedient to the end.

    There was some harsh verbal correction.  This is very out of character for her.  She used to growl around her chew toys but we always worked with her on it and never had a problem until the other night.

    She is incredibly loyal and I'm sure very afraid of disappointing us.  We do everything we can to get her away from that but any wrong word sends her right to us with her ears down.

    She was prett distressed over it and got extremely warm, both in her ears and nose.  She would breath hard when sleeping.

    We finally gave her an aspirin per the vets previous recommendation.  By morning she had a nice cool nose, breathed normally and was in a good mood, this was Monday night.

    Tonight we gave her another chew toy and all she would do is pick it up and return it to me.  I think she thinks I was yelling at her to take her toy away.  Took us over an hour to get her to sit down and enjoy it herself.

    Now she is back to panting lightly, warm nose, ears...but is very playful and acts like nothing is wrong.

    Our other male exhibits no problems.

    We think it just might be a cold, something we need to treat but not rush her to the emergency room.

    We'll give her another aspirin tonight and monitor her but is this serious enough to take her tonight?

    Thanks
    • Gold Top Dog
    I wouldn't give her aspirin. It can cause stomach irritation, and isn't necessary.

    I don't think she's sick. I think she's stressed out. She doesn't know why you yelled at her, and she's trying *so* hard to please you, that she's freaking out a little bit. You didn't clearly communicate what she did wrong. You gave the correction *after* she growled, so she thinks you were correcting her for chewing. Now, she's afraid to chew.

    In my non-professional opinion, you need to work more on NILIF and confidence than correcting anything. She just sounds like she's been through a lot, and is very unsure if she's safe or not. Yelling only hurts this.
    • Gold Top Dog
    You know,,,it doesn't really sound like any kind of emergency to me,,,because she doesn't act sick. 
    Is she eating and drinking water? That means everything to me. And she is playing so that must mean she is happy and feeling okay.  At least that is the way I see it.
    Is it hot where you are at?  My Bubblegums nose is not cold and wet right now...and she is not sick. If its warm out, I can't see a dogs nose being really very cold.   I would watch her and make sure she doesn't come up with more symptoms, and if she does I'd take her in to the vet for a look!!
    She sounds like a real doll,,,and sounds like you have done a really nice job in making her feel comforable and happy in her new home after she was abused!
    Good luck,,keep us updated please!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Nix on the asprin idea.  I agree with Jennie.
     
    When you are dealing with  a dog who has been abused, harsh corrections aren't going to work.  To be totally honest with you on the VERY rare occassions one of my shepherds has growled at me I have done nothing more than put my hands on my hips and cocked an eyebrow and said EXCUSE ME?  See, I'd rather they growl....that's basically doggie for "hey, you're in my space".  A growl is the "early warning system" in my mind.  If you teach her that growling is NEVER acceptable, you repress that early warning system and she goes straight to the air snap or bite.
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    Thanks for the replies.

    Yes she is eating and drinking.  She calmed down a little bit ago and has cooled down.

    I corrected her during the growling, not the chewing.  The first time she growl I gave her a look, then she did it again.

    I did this based on the recommendation of her trainer.  She was VERY agressive to the point where we didn't let her around people for a while.  She had been returned a few times and as I said we worked very hard with her.  This was a last chance kind of deal and as the trainer told us, a little bit of heartbreak is better than the alternative.  She told us when we first got her she would bite, and she did biting a friend who walked by her about 3 weeks after we got her. 

    Totally different dog today than a year ago but our trainer told us stern and immediate correction for uncalled for agressive behavior.  I doubt she would repeat that incident ever again and has been fantastic around people.

    Part of it might have been we haven't had to correct her in a long long time.  The growling was totally out of character for her as of recent.  She turned the corner about 6 months ago and we started introducing her to people.  Now we have friends and neighbors over all the time and she's great.

    So part of my harsh response might have been we didn't want to see any regression.

    She had growled in the past and we had corrected her in the past.  For the longest time she'd wag her tail when we came by while she was having a chew toy.  If we sat down near her she'd happily get up and bring it to us.  She'd offer it and we'd take it and give it right back to her.  She'd take it and go finish.

    We'll work with her over the next week and sure get it straightened out.  As long as she's not sick we'll get the behavior part straightened out.

    Thanks
    • Bronze
    Here is one of our favorite pics of them.

    Both were rescues and this is one of a few of them hanging at the shelter.  Stewie is chasing Valerie.


    • Gold Top Dog
    Great picture! Thanks for sharing!
    I think you have it all under control,,, maybe just a little reminder once in a while will be necessary!     I think sometimes our dogs forget that their dogs,,,especially when they are not treated that much like dogs!
    • Gold Top Dog
    She sounds like a sweetie pie!!  Great picture, they are beautiful!! She looks like my Bailey.....[:D]
    • Gold Top Dog
    Two or three things here -- you don't say how old she is, but I'm gonna say the vet ought to look at her.  There is panting because of heat and sometimes nerves, BUT -- there is also a 'heart pant' that can be virtually undetectable unless a vet does some tests.
     
    The fact that this triggered off an emotional incident makes me think 'heart'.  She won't act weird or sick -- but when the heart palpates like that from stress, it's potentially a bad thing.  Have the vet take a look.
     
    Suggestions: 
     
    Chammomile tea.  You can squirt it in with a big syringe with the needle taken off it -- just park the tip behind the big canine tooth and squeeze (hold the mouth shut -- it will squirt in right behind the tooth, just be gentle and don't drown her!).  It tastes good and a lot of dogs learn to like it.  "This will help!!"  You can add a tiny bit of honey or even a tiny bit of broth to make it more yummy if you want.
     
    Chammomile is a relaxing, tummy soothing anti-inflammatory.  Just keep it separated from the 'incident' enough so it's not a 'reward'.  But it will help calm her.
     
    So would Hylands "Calms" (a homeopathic -- no side effects at all from this).  Encourage her to just chew them up (not bad tasting -- my dogs think they are a treat).  VERY calming.   That will actually promote sleep.
     
    The other thing would be the homeopathic "aconite".  Now aconite in it's regular form is a deadly poison.  (for anyone).  But a homeopathic is that 'thing' broken down into a thing so dilute it is almost unrecognizable as the original stuff. 
     
    But the homeopathic aconite will reduce heart rate -- fast and safe.  Boiron's is the easiest to obtain.  Funky little tube -- you have to 'twist' the collar of the tube while holding the tube with your other hand (inverted over a piece of paper).  (The point is you are supposed to hold the collar of the neck by your teeth so it dispenses these pellets into your mouth). 
     
    Crush the pellets (fold the paper and crush with a heavy jar or mallet) and pour in the dog's mouth.  It has to absorb sub-lingually. 
     
    This is GREAT first aid.  A dog who has had it before will learn fast that homeopathics are sweet and my dogs will just chew them up.
     
    DO NOT put them 'in' something like cheese or whatever ... it HAS to absorb in the mouth to work.
     
    But this would help.
     
    I'd still want the vet to see this dog -- that kind of panting reaction is not typical and it well could indicate a latent heart problem.
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    Last night after I posted she calmed down but this morning she was hot again.  Slept OK and feels fine, just bouts of the panting and feels very warm.

    We decided this morning to take her in.  We came home a bit ago and the vet says she might have been bitten by a tick.  She has all the symptoms of a tick bite and the fact she is still active and friendly is a bigger indication.  She did have a fever, about 2 degree's above normal.

    They checked her heart and said all was fine there but still took blood and gave us some antibiotics for her.

    Its always enjoyable to take her out.  Its kind of odd but she seems extremely proud of how her attitude has changed.  She sits up straight at the vet, lets them check her out, listens incredibly well.  Compared to how we had to muzzle her the first time we took her in.

    The most amazing thing was her weight.  71lbs.  Our male is 78lbs and physically much bigger, she's just a brick, solid muscle.  Thats from the 54lbs when we got her, malnourished and her ribs showing quite a bit.

    Thanks for the suggestions, we'll see how she does the next few days but seems something simple.


    • Gold Top Dog
    I'm glad you had her checked -- sometimes with the heart you get little or no warning and I had a dog have a 'heart pant' for a LONG time before I realized it and we got her treated, so now I always say something.  Sure is the year for ticks!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Callie is right -  My bulldog pants really bad after chewing a nylabone, to the point we would turn the fan on to cool her.  Little did i know,  her heart was going bad.
     
    Now, on heart meds, she still pants after chewing it.