Can anyone give me info on Clavamox?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Can anyone give me info on Clavamox?

    Pup is now almost 3 months old and he is still battling kennel cough. He seemed to get over it for about 1 week and then it came back. Anyway, the 1st time he was put on an antibiotic and Hydrocodone for cough. He was breathing extremely fast and after 3 days of this I stopped all the meds. Today, another vet at the clinic put him on Clavamox, 125 mg. He is 10.6 lbs. I am wondering about side effects of this med and will it make him breath fast, etc. The vet said it was a very well tolerated antibiotic. I gave him his 1st dose at 5 p.m. with his supper and just a little while ago he was in banshee mode and then panting. He is laying down now, but I guess I am just nervous that this new antibiotic will make him breath extremely fast also. I am also wondering about the dose, as that seems awfully high to me? Any advice/tips? Thanks in advance.
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    HI again!  This is what I have found:
    Clavamox - Broad-spectrum antibiotic (amoxicillin/clavulanate potassium). Mix with 14 ml of water to achieve 62.5 mg/ml strength. Dosage: dogs 6.25 mg/lb. twice daily; cats 62.5 mg (1ml) once daily.

     

    Clavamox Side Effects:
    Side effects of Clavamox may include loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. If an allergic reaction occurs, symptoms include rash, fever, swelling of face or limbs, difficulty breathing, rapid heart beat and incoordination.


    If you are giving him the meds once a day then the dose seems good if it is twice a day seems a little high to me?
     
    Skin and soft tissue infections such as wounds, abscesses, cellulitis, superficial/juvenile and deep pyoderma due to susceptible strains of the following organisms: b-lactamase-producing Staphylococcus aureus, non-b-lactamase-producing Staphylococcus aureus, Staphylococcus spp., Streptococcus spp., and E. coli. Periodontal infections due to susceptible strains of both aerobic and anaerobic bacteria. CLAVAMOX® has been shown to be clinically effective for treating cases of canine periodontal disease
     
     
    Hope this helps you some, poor guy has not had an easy time.
    Julie
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    Hey, momtomany! No he has not had an easy time. The Clavamox is twice a day. I think I will call tomorrow and check on the dose amount. Thanks for the info!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Did your vet take a chest x-ray? The clavamox is a great antibiotic for KC and combined pnomonia. One of my Frenchies had this a little over a year ago, her momma picked up KC at a show and passed along to her. My experience was that it got worse before it got better but you MUST continue the course and it will get better. I suggest limiting the activity if possible and adding in a vaporizor.

    The dosage being the 125mg is correct but how much of the dropper did your vet prescribe?
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    My Pill Book Guide to Medications for Your Dog and Cat says:
     
    6.25 mg/lb twice a day.  So that's a high dose. 
     
    Before you are completely sure that "rapid breathing" is a medicine side effect tho, be cautious.  If YOU are concerned, and are looking at the dog a lot, the dog is liable to be a bit worried.   This IS a puppy and they only have two speeds -- RACING and z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z. 
     
    What I'm saying is, a dog with kennel cough is going to have a hard time with respiration anyway -- the rapid breathing MIGHT simply be a side effect more of the illness than anything else.  I'm not saying you're wrong -- but it would be extremely unusual for two drugs to cause the*same* symptoms.  Rapid breathing is way way down on the potential side effects of this one. 
     
    With the dose as high as it is, I'd expect vomiting or diarreha.  NOT a lesser-known symptom first. 
     
    Also according to the Pill Book diarreha and vomiting are the two biggest signs of over-dose. 
     
    Realize -- a vet can and often WILL exceed common drug guidelines and the vet may feel it's warranted since this has gone on so long.  Clavamox is a pennicillin derivative, and typically thot of as very well tolerated.
     
    The risk here is that in order to pacify you (and I"m not being nasty -- but very often vets will prescribe more to satisfy the owner than what the dog needs, if they think they have to in order to keep peace or keep the owner happy) you may wind up skipping to another drug too quickly. 
     
    It typically takes way more than a week's worth of an antibiotic to get rid of kennel cough.  It's like bronchitis for humans -- it can linger and a puppy who has had it since it was a wee thing has all the stress of the body growing SO rapidly at the same time it's trying to get well.  That 'stress' of simply being a puppy makes the immune system fragile, and it's at a time when the immune system is weak anyway.
     
    What else has the vet given -- when you "stopped all the meds" what was the dog taking?
     
    I'm surprised the vet was using hydrocodone -- now THAT could cause you to breathe fast -- it's got codeine in it -- it's a narcotic cough supressant (and not really often given to dogs).
     
    There are other things you can use as a cough supressant -- honey and lemon works very well, and if you use fresh lemon it's good Vit C. 
     
    Now, I'm not defending pharmaceuticals -- I would likely encourage you to use gentler things -- and, in fact, it might be a good time to look at other vets unless you are really sold on this one.  It seems like this vet is using pretty strong stuff, and if you are right, this dog might not be tolerating it well. 
     
    I'm not trying to give you mixed signals here -- first off, YOU are the only one there with your dog, so you are ultimately the one who will know how the dog is reacting to things.  But it's easy when you have a sick baby to get SO worried and worked up about "stuff" that everything you give them is a cause for you to worry and that's not good.
     
    Some things to boost this baby's immune system would likely be a good idea -- there are a good many benign things like colostrum (1000 mg twice  a day), Vit C (125 mg about 4 times a day if it's well tolerated).  A good supplement like Solid Gold's Sea Meal (which is formulated for skin and immune system) just added to the dog's food might be a super good thing to help build the immune system.
     
    If you want to try honey and lemon -- it's easy.  I like raw honey, but any honey will do.  And just add lemon to thin it to syrup consistency.  Additionally you can add some water and then slippery elm powder -- that's also going to soothe the bronchial passages and the stomach.  When slippery elm is mixed with water it becomes a gelatenous mess -- so just again thin it to syrup consistency.
     
    With honey and lemon and slippery elm, there is no real 'dose' -- pretty much you can use it as needed. 
     
    These aren't curealls -- but just helps. 
     
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    Thanks everyone for replying. Calliecriturs - when I took him off the meds the 1st time, he was on nothing because he was doing well and only coughing like once a day. I did call the vet this morning, and she said he is 10.6 lbs so that is why they went to a higher dose (but according to my calculations, still a high dose). She told me if he develops nausea or vomiting to call her back, then I think she will have me cut the dose in half.. This Clavamox is a 2 week course. He seems to be tolerating it well so far and he is not doing the rapid breathing at all. He is not on anything for the cough as they wanted to see how he did with just the antibiotic and make sure he did not have any reaction. Can you tell me how much lemon/honey to give for the cough. I like the "natural" remedies best and unless absolutely necessary I don't like to give meds. Callie - I noticed you were in central FL, so I am going to ask you a question. I am in Orlando and I wanted to know if you know of any lepto outbreaks. The vets office would like me to give a lepto for his next injections but I am very afraid of that particular vaccine. Your opinions would be most appreciated! Thanks again to everyone for the help.
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    Hi rileygirl!

    I have a JRT who was put on Clavamox for a UTI after the amoxycillin that he was on was not able to clear up the infection. I did not notice any side effects and was quite pleased with the drug overall. He has not had a UTI since and this was maybe 8 mos. ago! (FYI, this is not the dog that I have posted about in regards to chronic UTI's! Don't want to scare you!)

    I hope your pup is feeling better! Kennel cough can be so scary! My best to you both!
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    Well KC (ironic, huh) is doing better. He is not having any reaction to the Clavamox, so I am happy. Sorry, I did not read  very well for the honey/lemon med! I have given that twice and it does seem to help. The real test will be tonight as that is when he is worse. Thanks for all the advice/encouragement from all! Calliecriturs - hope you reply about the lepto in my previous question!
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    Hi -- gosh I'm near Orlando TOO!  I'm in Altamonte actually.  I just emailed you.
     
    Clavamox comes in these little sealed packets (that's for everyone else's info -- Rileygirl obviously knows cos she has to open the danged things to give it).  My guess is they did this because it's recurred.  Like I said, vets should know when they can exceed norms. 
     
    I haven't heard a word about a Lepto outbreak here in Orlando -- but I did email Dr.Bailey to ask him what HE knows.  I actually go all the way to Deland to my 'regular' vet -- simply because he is THAT good.  I drive past probably 50 vets to get to him -- and it's 45 minutes from where I am (more in high traffic) but he is truly worth it in my estimation. 
     
    People tell me I'm "lucky" to have my vets -- luck is part of it but part of it is cultivating a relationship with a vet who listens to me and being willing to go TO him (distance wise and the fact that the hours are tough around work sometimes) just because it works for us.
     
    I also go to a holistic vet in town and I've gotten them so they willl 'work' with each other.  That too is a labor of love but SO worth it for my dogs.
     
    I'll get back to you about the Lepto -- but unless I find out there's something out there I don' t know about ... stick to your guns.  Lepto is rare and I'd be astonished if it was a problem here.  It IS a dangerous vaccine.  Very much so.  I won't even touch the "combo" shot specifically because of the lepto and corona components which are quite difficult (and unnecessary).
     
    Honey and lemon is easy.  Healthy components.
     
    The big deal is always with cough meds -- do you WANT to "supress" the cough or not????
     
    Bigger question than it sounds.  If the cough is "productive" (if the cough brings up phlegm and gets it OUT of the lungs) then generally they don't want to supress a cough.  Coughing is the body's way of getting rid of toxins, to be honest.
     
    BUT if the cough is a tickle -- if it is debilitating (wearing the dog out because it's coughing SO hard) or is making the lungs even more irritated, then generally a vet (or human doctor) will *want* to supress it. 
     
    Honey and lemon is soothing more than anything else.  If it's just a tickle it's going to help.  But if it's a serious deep asthmatic type of cough it won't.  But it does soothe -- and it can reduce the need for the heavy duty stuff.
     
    You can 'add' stuff to that if you want.  Slippery elm is awesome stuff.  Wholefoods has it in bulk.  You can generally get capsules of it (which I would empty -- you don't want that to have to go to the stomach first -- you want it to soothe on its way down the throat). 
     
    Licorice -- you can get ground licorice root in capsules and that can be an awesome addition to a honey/lemon cough syrup.  Like if I make up a cup of honey with lemon and slippery elm (plus water) I'm gonna end up with probably a pint of cough syrup.  To that I might empty in 4-6 licorice root capsules.  (yes, folks -- licorice root is what black licorice is made from -- it's very sweet and dogs typically LOVE it). 
     
    We had a dog at one time that had heartworm damage and she had a lot of 'lung damage' from the parasites.  So at various times she would get dog bronchitis and I used honey and lemon for her ALL the time.  She learned to deal with a spoon really well!!
     
    Hope that helps.  Callie
     
    That's because once it's exposed to air, it deteriorates like within half an hour.  So you can't 'break' the tablets in half.  like you could most tablets.  So since he was at the 'max' of the dose for one pill they bumped him up to the next since technically the lower wasn't enough.  Logical conclusion and it's a pretty safe drug.
     
    2 weeks is a normal course -- you just don't want to go longer than thirty (30) days with it. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Thanks so much Callie - yes this all helps a lot. We are close! I have not received any email from you, but I will be watching! Thanks again for all the help.