Billy -- we've got another challenge

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    Billy -- we've got another challenge

    Heaven knows I don't even want to post this.  It's not dire ... yet, but I feel SO like I've been kicked in the gut today.  And it's not that bad -- but... you'll get it as I explain so bear with me pretty please.
     
    Most of you know Billy has IMHA.  Immune-mediated hemolytic anemia.  It's an auto-immune disease, meaning for various reasons the body decides to turn against itself and 'destroy' itself.  In Billy's case, we *think* it started with a tick bite.  It was apparently a 'sick' tick carrying a tick disease and altho I caught it 'quick' it HAD begun to feed. 
     
    Billy's body did what it should have done and it developed anti-bodies against the Ehrlichea. 
     
    BUT that's where it went wrong ... the body then generalized and decided that the *antibodies* were bad guys too -- so his body simply began to destroy it's own blood. 
     
    LONG story made short we caught the severe anemia on a routine blood exam, and my vet put him on prednisone (to suppress the immune system) and very slowly the body began to respond.  We did all kinds of tick tests, etc. (knowing I'd found that darned tick) hoping it was tick disease and NOT "IMHA" at that point.   Tick disease you can 'cure'. 
     
    The red blood cells were 'coming up' (his "pack cell volume" went from the low 20 to 29 in just a couple of weeks) So when we found a faint positive to tick disease the vet put him on Doxycycline (the usual drug of choice) in hopes that it would 'cure' the anemia as it killed the 'tick disease'.  OOPS.  He went from that 29 to TEN in literally two days.  Talk about 'crashing'. 
     
    This is where most of you who have been around here a year or so know Billy wound up going thru SIX transfusions in a month last summer and man, I've never fought so hard to help a dog live.  We had to go to mega major immune suppressants to get the immune system to lay off and stop killing the blood.
     
    Eventually we found out that the body was triggered off by the antibiodies NOT real tick disease and it was when we took him off the Doxycycline that FINALLY the body began to respond and finally we began to get the IMHA under control.
     
    MOST DOGS DIE.  Most dogs just plain don't survive IMHA. 
     
    Soooo -ok -- most of you know Billy cos he LOVES to post.  The one really nasty side effect (there are a lot of nasty side effects to cyclosporine but one REALLY nasty one) is the constant urinary tract infections.  It was months before we could finally get them under control (remember -- one of the things that can majorly tick IMHAoff is all sorts of antibiotics). 
     
    All along we've used  a combination of both regular veterinary medicine and alternative medicine ("TCVM" or traditional Chinese veterinary medicine -- acupuncture, Chinese herbals) -- and I've used a neutraceutical called D-Mannose along with Cranberry to keep most of the UTI's at bay and when they did crop up (every 3 weeks or so) I was given a particular Chinese herb to begin *immediately* when I saw symptoms).
     
    So it's been going well and we've weaned him back to a much much lower dose of the cyclosporine (altho it's taken nearly a year). 
     
    But I've noticed in the past 2 or so months that I'm having a tougher time keeping the UTIs under control, so two weekends ago when we did a major blood/chem panel just before we reduced the cyclosporine again I also had them do a big culture and sensitivity urinalysis (that's where they take a 'sterile' urine draw by aspirate straight from the bladder with a needle), send it off to see if it will 'grow' bacteria, and THEN they treat that bacteria with all sorts of drugs to see what it is "sensitive" to -- i.e., what are the best drugs to kill it.
     
    I was stressing because I wasn't getting the results back.  Dr. B (my regular vet who is AWESOME) told me a week ago it was growing some weird sort of strep bacteria but he didn't have a 'final' on it yet.  Well, I almost got ugly cos I thot the lab had forgotten us or screwed something up.  (Yeah, can you imagine a Callie hissy-fit?  NOT pretty folks!!)
     
    Anyway -- I find out this morning the results are back.  The 'culture' produced some weird 'new' kind of bacteria "Enterococcus Species" -- but the kicker is there is only one drug that it clearly shows it's not resistant to. 
     
    Doxycycline (excuse me while I go bawl again)
     
    Yeah, the one d#$%^$(ed drug that caused the whole IMHA to blow out of the water a year ago.  This stuff is resistant to nearly everything -- there are a couple of drugs it may be somewhat sensitive to, but oh man - I just can NOT risk giving him doxy. 
     
    The 'good' part of this is that it's not super severe.  There wasn't a ton of this bacteria THERE and it's likely been there for a while -- it's probably been the thing lurking that has caused the UTI symptoms to come back with more frequency. 
     
    As soon as they took that specimen, I came right home and put Billy back on the Ba Zhang again (that Chinese herbal) and the holistic vet told me I could keep him on the 'big' dose of it far longer than she's wanted him to have it in the past.  But one of the other herbs he takes will work 'with' this to allow his body to safely tolerate it.
     
    My regular vet is working with the lab and doing research to find out what else we PERHAPS can try.  My holistic vet is working with him -- she thinks that one of the less sensitive antibiotics WILL work done in concert with the Ba Zhang (especially since he's been on it to further have diminished it the last 10 days).
     
    Folks, I'm asking please for those wonderful I-Dog good thots and prayers. 
     
    1.  That the microbiologist can re-visit the culture to see what else this may be sensitive to (he's run the test several times with varying results) and find something other than doxy.
     
    2.  That Dr. B and Dr. D can get their heads together and find something that will work and NOT trigger off the IMHA. 
     
    I don't want to have to put the cyclosporine back up again -- his body has had all it should take of this nasty drug and I've worked SO hard to give him all the other stuff (massive quantities of milk thistle and all sorts of other things to help mitigate the damage from the cyclosporine) to keep him from damage.  It's the cyclosporine that CAUSES the UTIs (and eventually this can all take a horrific toll on the kidneys and liver even with all we've tried to prevent that damage).  So if the IMHA gets riled back up it's just all a really BAD BAD Thing.
     
    3.  me.   -- I'll admit I reacted badly to this today -- I felt SO sucker-punched.  I literally burst into tears at the mere mention of doxycycline.  I rarely show my spiritual side on here but quite honestly this is just plain the 'enemy' trying to get me down.  I know there is a bigger plan in all of this because we've been SO blessed in this whole thing.  So I just plain need to get MY head on straight and not let this blow me away so badly.    So somebuddy kick me in the butt please and help me get my attitude adjusted.  We haven't come THIS far to fall apart now!!
     
    Thanks folks - this has been long -- typically me.  WE know with IMHA that it's always day to day.  But boy I don't want to have to back step now and I just don't think I can contemplate giving him doxycycline.  That would be like playing russian roulette with all the chambers loaded. 
     
    Thanks -- SO much.
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    me.   -- I'll admit I reacted badly to this today -- I felt SO sucker-punched.  I literally burst into tears at the mere mention of doxycycline.  I rarely show my spiritual side on here but quite honestly this is just plain the 'enemy' trying to get me down.  I know there is a bigger plan in all of this because we've been SO blessed in this whole thing.  So I just plain need to get MY head on straight and not let this blow me away so badly.    So somebuddy kick me in the butt please and help me get my attitude adjusted.  We haven't come THIS far to fall apart now!!

     
       How about a <<<Big Hug>>>  instead. You won't fall apart now; Billy needs you to stay calm and clear headed and you won't let him down. You are always here to help others when they're down; we'll all be here for you. I'll pray for you and Billy; I know Dr.B and your holistic vet will find an answer.
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    Aww Callie, I'm not even sure what to say except that you and Billy and the family are in our thoughts.  I truly hope you beat this and get past this and get all the IMHA stuff under control. 
     
    Billy, hang tough!  Cuddles and scritches coming your way
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    Hang in there Billy! We are all thinking of you!You too Callie!
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    Hang in there, you are always there for anyone needing good advice, so take some advice given kindly, Take a deep breath, kiss Billy, and do the best that you can do for him!
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    So somebuddy kick me in the butt please and help me get my attitude adjusted. We haven't come THIS far to fall apart now!!

     
    I'm not very good at the butt-kicking thing, but you said it better than I could've.  You haven't come this far to cave in now and I know that you know that.  Meltdowns are fine.  We all have them and although I'd have bet you never did, I'm glad to see you're as vulnerable as the rest of us.  I'd be worried too, probably way more than you, but you have everything on your side.  Between your traditional vet and your holistic vet AND your wealth of knowledge, you will figure out how to deal with this.  I know how it feels to finally feel that things are coming together, only to find out that there's another issue to deal with.  I wish you weren't going thru it but I know that you'll handle it better than anyone I know.  We're all going to be anxious to hear what the treatment decision is and I'll keep you and Billy in my thoughts and prayers.
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    I was just on the phone with my best friend ... I usually tend to force myself to see the "ok -- what good can come from this?" angle. 
     
    While I was on the phone I think I figgered out WHY I felt so sucker-punched. 
     
    Just last weekend David and I were beginning to cautiously plan ... Billy's finally down to 60 mg of cyclosporine (He was on cyclosporine a/k/a "Atopica" almost from the beginning of treatment altho he was on this huge dose of pred FIRST ... so we had to wean off the pred 1st, THEN in Dec.  we began to wean off the Cyclosporine/Atopica, had to push the dose back up and then didn't begin to successfully reduce the cyclosporine until mid-February.  We've been SO successful at taking that dose down ... and with every reduction he has FELT BETTER (less drug reactions).
     
    So, for this to all kick me immediately following our discussion about "once he gets BELOW 50 mg we'll be able to think about being able to resume his role in pet therapy!!" --  so I think my 'human side' felt 'punished' that I'd dared to think about Billy being able to go back to Grandma's House and the stuff he so loved doing. (and so do WE)
     
    But after David and I have talked it thru, and I've talked with him about what the holistic vet said -- I feel a little better about our chances of finding an alternative.
     
    But at least I've identified WHY I reacted that way. 
     
    I scared my little self silly to be honest.  I quite smoking over ten years ago -- but today I was so 100% absolutely frustrated that I actually thought ... for the first time in a zillion years "A cigarette would go good about now". 
     
    NO, absolutely not -- no way am I gonna give in to that (I wasn't even 'tempted' -- but the very fact that the thot occurred to me rattled me!!).  But it woke me up to the fact that it did hit me on that 'frustration' level, so being the wise 'mature' woman I am, I knew it was time to get my brain back together.
     
    Heck yes I'm so human it hurts.  And frankly, cakana -- it's the very fact that I DO know what I know that often rattles my chain so badly.  All I had to do was hear the word "doxycycline" and my hands started to shake and tears came to my eyes.  (Have I invented "vocabulary anxiety"???)
     
    But gosh folks, I SO appreciate the prayers and good thots.  There's such strength there!
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    Callie, I am so sorry.  I know these test results are not what you were hoping for and that they are a big disappointment.
     
    You have good doctors and I will keep my fingers crossed that they will come up with something quickly.
     
    Billy needs your optimism to help keep his spirits high and I know that you can rally to the task.
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    Callie, I'm so, so sorry that you and Billy are having to deal with this again.  Good thoughts, prayers and ((((((BIG HUGS))))) to both of you.
     
    Joyce
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    Unless a person has faced this, they can't really have any idea what it is like.  I learned after Hunter was diagnosed that 50% of all dogs die within a week of diagnosis, another 30% within a month, and the 20% that do survive can go into relapse at any time.  On the AIHA forum i belong it, it has been described as "being hit by a fast moving train that slows down and slow, so very slowly rolls over you" as "being in a twilight zone." as "a thief that sneaks at at night and takes your precious dog from you.  y Hunter was diagnosed on Oct. 9 and died on Oct. 16th and i just had a week of the nightmare.  Callie has been living it for about a year.
     
    Prayers for you and your hubby and especially for Billy the Fighter.
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    Oh geeze.  You know you've got our thots and prayers here, Callie.  And Tyler says he'll walk for Billy again this year......and do the old folks with Billy in his heart!  Not the same as the little ones, but, next time we're at the facility, Tyler will be thinking of Billy.
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    Callie, we're all here for you and Billy and DH anytime. I remember how hard it was to see Winnie getting sick with every antibiotic we tried for her.  Our prayers are with you guys.
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    Thanks folks -- SO much.  In many ways with this thing it's keeping yourself propped up so you can THINK and watch -- we haven't seen ANY symptoms of him recurring.  It's simply that the choice of drugs to combat this infection is such a "guaranteed to backfire" thing. 
     
    Sandra's so right-on in her assessment. 
     
    I've got an appt for Billy and Kee tonight with my holistic vet (it's our regular monthly appt thank heaven, so she'll have time to talk).  So hopefully we can hammer out some thots.  Thanks SO much. 
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    We're rooting for you guys over here. Hope things resolve themselves quickly.
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    While reading your post, a crazy thought popped into my head. Probably crazy but might be worth asking your vet.
     
    How about somehow introducing the antibiotic directly into the bladder? Maybe then it could be a lower dose. And maybe less would get into his general system.
     
    You'd probably have to do it more than once.
     
    I feel for you and hope things are resolved without a crisis.