Venison vs rabbit

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    Venison vs rabbit

    Hi All! Quick update and a couple questions...
     
    Ramsey had her annual check up today at the vet. All her tests were great and the Dr said her skin looked better than she has ever seen it. She has been on Atopica since August 25 daily...the skin LOOKS so much better but she is still itching (maybe not quite as much). We are going to give the Atopica another 30 days on a daily basis adn then try to back it down...our ultimate goal is to reduce her her prednisone consumption (the only drug that has worked thus far).
     
    I am going to try to change up her food as well adn see if we see any changes. She has been on Purina Pro Plan Salmon and Rice and seems to do fine (no GI issues etc.) I am considering the Natural Balance Venison  and Brown Rice. Ramsey is allergic to beef, chicken, sweet potatoe and wheat and soy so that doesnt leave too many options! Is venison too close to beef and Duck too close to chicken? vMy et did express these potential issues...
     
    She also mentioned a rabbit and potato diet--but I havent found any food online.
     
    Any ideas??
     
    Thanks in advance!!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Hi Laura,
    Glad to hear about the great check-up. What a relief it is to see things improving, huh?  I started backing Sassy off on the Atopica last week to every other day (per the vets recommendation) and by the weekend, she was itching and licking again.  The vet said we'll have to back her off more slowly.  She wants me to reduce one pill per week for a couple weeks and then 2 per week, and so on.  They asked again if I wanted to order the allergen serum though, and I said I needed the vets input on this, so I'm waiting to hear from them.
     
    Regarding the food, I was pretty darn sure that Sassy was either allergic to chicken or rice, since that's what we'd fed her originally.  I went with the Duck & Potato and it really did seem to help.  It wasn't until later that someone mentioned the possible chicken and duck connection.  I still think it's the best option for us.  I tried the Fish & Sweet Potato last year and Sassy seemed to do worse on it.  I've never seen a Rabbit & Potato blend, but I'd sure try it if I did.
    • Gold Top Dog
    IVD makes a rabbit and potato diet[:D]
    • Gold Top Dog
    IVD makes a rabbit and potato diet

     
    Thanks Jennie.  I never think to look at what the perscription formulas offer.  It looks like it'd be about $50-$60 for a bag of food for my girl though, and unless I absolutely have to, I'd rather not go down that road.  I already pay $42 for a 30 lb bag of the Duck & Potato.  I also buy some of the canned at about $1.50 per can. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    IVD makes a rabbit and potato diet


       Jessie started on the IVD Potato and Rabbit diet last week to see if her recent flare ups were due to another food allergy; she's allergic to chicken and my vet said that dogs with food allergies frequently develop more food allergies with time ( great news, [:o]).  IVD also makes a Potato and Venison and a Potato and Duck formula; the ingredients for the rabbit are potato, rabbit meal, rabbit, and canola oil. It uses potato fiber for the fiber source and has salmon oil; it also uses natural preservatives. Jessie really likes it but she's not a picky eater to say the least, but Royal Canin's food is known for being palatable. I would have had to order Natural Balance since they don't carry it locally and would have had to pay about $38 for a 20 pound bag so I just got the IVD from the vet. The IVD is 19% protein where Natural Balance is 21% so I don't think there's much difference between the two; I mix some canned EVO rabbit in with the kibble to give her more protein.
      I'm glad that Ramsey is doing so much better but I hope you can eventually wean her off the Atopica. Have you tried giving her quercetin and bromelain supplements; they work like an antihistamine and can be helpful; they may reduce your dog's need for steroids. NOW makes a good quercetin and bromelain supplement; [linkhttp://www.unbeatablesale.com/now-quercetin.html?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=APL1922]http://www.unbeatablesale.com/now-quercetin.html?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=APL1922[/link] ;  you can find it at health stores. Since your dog has severe allergies, giving Ramsey both the quercitin and a ;potent omega 3 fish oil supplement would be the best choice to give her relief. It can take about six weeks before you will notice any improvement. You could give her an antihistamine like Benedryl instead of the quercitin; if you give it with fish oil it will be more effective, but it needs to be a fish oil that contains a high amount of omega 3 fatty acids.
        You said the only thing that gives Ramsey relief is steroids; have you had the allergy testing done? If you don't have a veterinary dermatologist in your area or can't afford the skin test, your vet can send some blood to a lab for allergy testing. Jessie had the skin test and is very allergic to many different kinds of pollens as well as dust mites, so she was itchy all year round.  She gets shots from a vaccine which has extracts of the allergens she reacts to and it has helped her tremendously, and is much safer than steroids.I mentioned that we're trying an allergy diet because she's had flare ups recently, but the flare ups have been much milder that the problems she had before immunotherapy. She's going to the veterinary dermatologist at the end of the month and may need to be tested again to see if her allergies have changed. If that's the case, she'll get a new vaccine with different allergens. It's not easy but better than steroids. Not all dogs respond to immunotherapy but most of them do, and things that can increase the chances of immunotherapy working are to give anti- inflammatories like fish oil supplements, regular bathing ( I use an oatmeal shampoo), and frequent vacuuming to reduce dust mite droppings and pollen in the house. Sorry for the long post but I wanted to mention other options in case you haven't considered them; good luck with Ramsey.
    • Gold Top Dog
    First, I would get your dog off Purina cause it is horrible food., Natural Balance makes three allergy recipes, one that I use is Venison and Brown Rice,  They also have a Fish and Sweet Potato and Duck and Potato. I think that Rabbit and Potato is only available by prescription and in canned form....


    [linkhttp://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dogformulas/home.html]http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dogformulas/home.html[/link]   
    • Gold Top Dog
    Natura has Innova EVO canned 95% Rabbit grain free
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    Nature's Variety has a kibble Salmon Meal & Brown Rice
    [linkhttp://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1429&-session=naturesvariety:C]http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1429&-session=naturesvariety:C[/link]
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    Lamb Meal & Oatmeal
    [linkhttp://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1325&-session=naturesvariety:C69729CD18dae2E9D6uUg2D9A984]http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1325&-session=naturesvariety:C69729CD18dae2E9D6uUg2D9A984[/link]
    Nature's variety canned Rabbit diet
    [linkhttp://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1349&-session=naturesvariety:C69729CD18dae2E9D6uUg2D9A984]http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1349&-session=naturesvariety:C69729CD18dae2E9D6uUg2D9A984[/link]
     
    They also carry frozen raw rabbit diet
    [linkhttp://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1417&-session=naturesvariety:C69729CD18dae2E9D6uUg2D9A984]http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1417&-session=naturesvariety:C69729CD18dae2E9D6uUg2D9A984[/link]
     
    They are coming out with new protein sources for their grain free "Instinct" diets as well.  So, that something to look into as well.[;)]
      
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    Thanks all for the great advice. I have not gotten the new food yet but plan to this week. Ill keep you all posted...To answer some questions..
    "You said the only thing that gives Ramsey relief is steroids; have you had the allergy testing done? If you don't have a veterinary dermatologist in your area or can't afford the skin test, your vet can send some blood to a lab for allergy testing. Jessie had the skin test and is very allergic to many different kinds of pollens as well as dust mites, so she was itchy all year round. "
     
    Yes, we had her tested and have seen a dermatologist as well and she is allergic to MANY things (dust and dust mites top the list so thats a hard one to deal with). We did allergy shots for over a year and saw NO results so we stopped the injections. If it is possible, we have tried it. I appreciate all the support here. I just love my beagle girl to death and want to do the best for her!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Yes, we had her tested and have seen a dermatologist as well and she is allergic to MANY things (dust and dust mites top the list so thats a hard one to deal with). We did allergy shots for over a year and saw NO results so we stopped the injections. 


     I'm sorry to hear that; it must have been a terrible dissapointment for you. Dust mites topped the list for Jessie too and she was highly allergic to over 2 dozen allergens and somewhat allergic to 20 more but fortunately the shots worked. Along with the shots she gets Doxepin, which is a prescription antihistamine, in the summer and fall and  she gets a high quality kibble supplemented daily with cooked meat. Have you tried Atopica? It's the only thing that has helped cakana's dog after trying everything else except allergy shots. Also, if you're going to try an allergy diet it can't have any of the ingredients of the food your dog was eating and should be simple like Sensible Choice Lamb and Rice  [linkhttp://www.sensiblechoice.com/SCHDLRA.HTM]http://www.sensiblechoice.com/SCHDLRA.HTM[/link]     or the IVD allergy diets; if it contains a lot of ingredients like the Nature's Variety Salmon or Lamb and your dog itches you will have a hard time determining which ingredient caused the itching. Nature's Variety kibbles use a freeze dried coating that includes chicken liver which is a no no if your dog is allergic to chicken.