Super allergies

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    Super allergies

    Well myfurkid has more issues. After going to three different vets he's still got problems. Only the problem in the ear is worse. It was puffy and found to be a hematoma. It was drained and he was given an antibiotic. Well his hot spots are back and he's torn up the area behind the ear. I'm not happy with the progress of the vets....yes, maybe I'm being a little short... Can he be given childrens benadryl( or some other antihystimine) and be treated with common over the counter antibacterial/anti itch sprays?
    • Gold Top Dog
    Poor dog. I'm sorry his allergies are so bad[:(].
    Yes you can give him antihistimines(didn't your vet tell you that??Maybe get a new vet...)
    For benadryl (regular caplets) the dose is 1 milligram per pound of bodyweight. 2 milligrams per pound if the itching is really bad. You can also use Tavist or hydroxisine, but I don't know the dose on those---someone on here has links with  dog dosages so hopefully she will come along soon.
    For itching, I like the Gold Bond spray or powder. You can also use something with hydrocortisone to help with the itch. At pet stores(petsmart or petco) you can find topical sprays, powders, cremes, etc that can temporarily relieve the itching.
    Try using medicated shampoos to help. Ones made for dogs are great if they have tea tree oil, coal tar, menthol, or oatmeal. There are also human shampoos that you can use that is for itching. I recently bought a shampoo that comes in a small brown bottle, called T Gell or something like that, that is for intense scalp itch. It seems to help my dogs itching a bit.

    BTW, do you know why his allergies are so bad? Was he tested for environmental allergies or did you do an elimination diet? In order to relieve his discomfort, you really need to know what is causing the problems. Food is usually the easiest thing to change and can make a great difference. Try feeding him a novel protein and novel carb for 8 weeks and see if he improves. Natural Balance found at Petco makes food for this purpose.
    good luck
    • Gold Top Dog
    Oh yeah I forgot to say that benadryl can be given 2-4 times a day. 2 times is usually for milder allergies, so you may want to give it more like 3 or maybe 4 times a day.
    • Gold Top Dog
      Welcome to idog; I'm sorry to hear that the vets haven't been much help. Here is the link that jettasmomma mentioned for dosages of different antihistamines for dogs by weight;  [linkhttp://www.utskinvet.org/pdf/antihists.pdf]http://www.utskinvet.org/pdf/antihists.pdf[/link] .  I tried the OTC anti itch sprays with hydrocortisone and chlorhexedine for Jessie, and homeopathic sprays I ordered online, but none of them helped so I can't recommend one. You should be able to find a good dog shampoo for itchy skin at Petco or PetsMart; Nova Pearls makes one that's good and I've used some made by DermCare. There is a conditioner made by Tropiclean called OxyMed that really helps relieve the itching; it has a blue cross on the bottle and you should be able to find it at either store I've mentioned. If you don't mind ordering online, a shampoo called Nusal-T is also very good.
        Jettasmomma's suggestion about trying a different food is a good idea; if you went to a veterinary dermatologist they would have you try a different diet to see if your dog has food allergies. Environmental allergies are much more common than food allergies but it doesn't cost anything to test for food allergies except the price of the food.  Choose a food that doesn't have the same grain and meat as what you're feeding now and try it for about eight weeks to see if it helps. The Natural Balance formulas that jettasmomma mentioned are great but you may not find them in your area; they don't have them where I live. Let us know if you have more questions and good luck.
      
       
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    Thanks guys. he's been under a few different vets now. And they have NOT given the option for sprays .... I did inquire as to why. They wanted me to buy their shampoos and and mixes. He went on prednisone and is still on primor. I'm going to try Science Diet Sensitive skin food, unless someone can recommend anything else. Jessies_mom I will try and hunt these products down and use them...Thank you all for your help.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I don't think Science Diet sensitive skin will work. It  is nothing but grain fractions. Any of those can be potential allergens. If you really want to see if it is food allergies, try using something like duck/potato, or venison/rice. Science Diet also makes a hypoallergenic kibble called z/d. Usually I would never recommend feeding science diet, but in this case it might work (but not the sensitive skin formula--thats a scam).Ask your vet about the z/d.

    I know what you are going through--Jetta has allergies as well, though not as severe. She is on a salmon/oatmeal kibble becuase she seems to itch like crazy on anything with chicken, barley, or beef in it.
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    I just remembered that Royal Canin makes a vet formula called SS (sensitive skin), but it is a lot better than science diet because it is made with fish and rice and is supposed to help heal skin infections and allergies. You can ask your vet to write you a prescription to that food and then take it to Petsmart. The banfield office in Petsmart carries the vet line of  Royal Canin.
    • Gold Top Dog
    children's benadryl comes in a liquid also and they have a dye, sugar and alcohol free one, they I put it in a syringe and shoot it down the side of their mouth between the cheek and the teeth
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    I hate to rain on anyones parade, but even the allergy formula kibbles have some extra STUFF that could be the trigger, like vitamins and minerals.
     
    The only true elimination diet is the one that you make yourself in a strictly controlled kitchen.  Pork is rarely in dog foods so that's one of the less expensive novel proteins you could try.  That said, some of the simplier kibbles *might* work....the allergy formulas by Natural Balance are good and helped my allergic cocker tremendously, California Natural is also worth a try...not a true allergy formula but only a few ingredients.
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    4200 (*smile* can I call you that for 'short'??) -- be careful. If you change TOO much at once you'll never narrow down what the true problem is.  We always want fast change and allergies can be such a HUGE category that every single thing *you* change AND every thing that changes outside .... each one of those things can make a difference but if something new blooms outside and increases the allergies, actually something you *are* doing may be helping but you can't tell. 
     
    The "allergy" and skin diets that you see advertised -- most of those aren't really allergy diets.  As Glenda says a LOT of them actually are pretty crummy food (and Hill's Science Diet one is a prime example of those) that contain a *lot* of known allergens -- BUT, they simply have broken down the molecules to such a degree that they are absorbed differently by the body.   The problem is, seriously, that unless you use the canned food, SD kibble uses BHA, BHT and ethoxyquin as preservatives.
     
    Those three are known carcinogens (and Science Diet will admit that if pressed) -- and giving those to the dog day in and day out sets the dog up for cancer AND be aware that allergies are, ultimately, an immune problem already. 
     
    I can *not* believe these vets have been treating this dog for allergies and have jumped to pred BEFORE even trying antihistamine. 
     
    Dogs can take many different types of antihistamine ... but each one is dosed differently and I think it was Jessie's Mom above who gave you the link to the chart.  But let me explain antihistamines a bit to you.
     
    UNLIKE US -- remember dog's have a whole second organ of smell -- the Jacobsen's Organ (it's under/behind the nose and above the roof of the mouth).  That organ is what a dog uses when he lifts his head and sniffs -- it's literally folded mucus membrane that is incredibly thin but there are hundreds of feet of it all folded up to increase the 'surface area' of it and everything the dog sniffs in flows over and is trapped in that organ. 
     
    Typically it takes several days for what the dog breathes in (or even what settles on the skin and is absorbed) to actually come out on the skin.  So you can't just try anthistamine for a little while.  You have to give it religiously, day in and day out for close to a month to even begin to see if it is working. 
     
    So I'm encouraging you to give it a fair trial BEFORE you swtich foods.  Food-switching carries it's own problems because every time you switch the food the body has to get used to a whole different array of allergens and potential allergens.  So switching food can actually make the whole problem FAR worse because the body just plain starts to respond to ANY **new** thing (food or otherwise) as an enemy and it just makes more allergies.
     
    Giving the dog antihistamine will likely make it sleepy but that's pretty much a short term problem.  They get used to it over time.  That sleepy side efffect diminshes.  And if you use one like Benedryl that actually helps the skin it can at least help control the itch that makes the dog tear its skin and that lessens the infection that can result.
     
    See the thing that makes the skin 'itch' (and that's both the paws and the inside of the ear) are the histamines that collect near the skin surface.  It actually makes the skin tingle -- not unlike if you've been sitting on your foot too long.  Sometimes even if antihistamines don't 'fix' the problem, they can help it enough to keep the dog from digging at it so profusely.
     
    However, I"m going to tell you not to use the 'max' dose of ANY antihistamine.  Do that long term and you're going to hurt the kidneys PLUS it leaves you no where to go when a new allergen is added that can be life threatening (like a bee or wasp sting!!!).
     
    So with the Benedryl -- use the 1 mg/lb dose, but DO give it every 6 hours if you can.  Diphenhydramine (which is the drug in Benedryl) only lasts in the body 6 hours.  But be aware, this is where different anthistamines ARE **way** different. 
     
    The drug in Claritin and Tavist are 12 hour drugs -- NOT 6.  So you don't give those as often.  And they are dosed completely different.  Dogs sometimes take more of antihistamine than people do because of the difference in their metabolism -- but again, different anthistamines are different.  If *I* took 1 mg per pound of Benedryl I'd be comatose for 6 weeks. 
     
    Just as an easy guideline for you -- the over the counter capsules/caplets of Benedryl are 25 mg.  If you have a 75 pound dog it DOES need **three* capsules as a minimum dose. 
     
    However, if you have a small dog you may need to get caplets rather than capsules so you can break them.  My little 10 pound peke gets half a benedryl caplet. 
     
    If you *want* to use the childen's "elixer" or liquid benedryl, the over the counter one is 12.5 mg per teaspoon.  So a teaspoon equals half a capsule/caplet.
     
    Because I've bought a few tons of the stuff for various dogs, I can tell you.  Wal-mart's generic is a good one but it is a capsule (no breaking that one).  But their price on the name brand Benedryl is decent if you have to buy the caplets.
     
    However, Target's generic IS a caplet, and it's actually a good quality one.
     
    K-marts generic sucks -- very poor quality in my experience and not worth using.  If you are wanting your own store's brand just be cautious -- it may or may not work well. 
     
    One more thot -- you do NOT want a dog to 'chew' Benedryl, nor do you want to put it in wet food because that cap dissolves FAST.  Benedryl absorbs fast in the mouth, and you'll get a dog that will go nuts on you -- if you've ever been unfortunate enough to have a Benedryl cap dissolve in your mouth, it will give you the shakes instantly.  It's meant to dissolve in the stomach.  I had a lady try to 'break' a capsule not long ago and she complained that her dog acted weird when she put it in his mouth.  No wonder!!!  The caplet is fine -- you just don't want it to linger in the dog's mouth so put the broken capLET in something like butter, braunschweiger or cheese so the dog doesn't chew it accidentally.
     
    Altho this is already long, the other thing I wanted to mention to you -- before you go any further, I would tell you to get the dog's thyroid checked.  And honestly, I wouldn't do it with just a local lab either -- that's probably not going to do anything at all. 
     
    Get the thyroid panel sent to Michigan State or have it sent directly to Dr. Jean Dodds -- she has developed specific protocols for different breeds.  Her contention is that it's silly to have ONE "chart" for all breeds -- that a jack russell and a rottweiller are going to have different metabolism and a cocker and a great dane aren't alike either!  So why are all those breeds judged by the same criteria for thyroid levels. 
     
    I have a dog with super allergies too and we chased allergy problems with horrible results for almost 2 years after we adopted him.  I was SO frustrated.  He'd had THREE thyroid panels at the vet and all said that altho his thyroid wasn't high, it was 'ok'.  Finally I had the vet send it to Michigan State and it comes back LOW for his breed.  We began supplementing the thyroid and SUDDENLY everything we were doing began to work!!! 
     
    Getting the thyroid balanced isn't going to "fix" the allergy problem -- but it will allow the body to be able to respond to the things you are doing.  If the thyroid is out of whack then everything you are doing is like pouring water into a bucket with a hole in it -- make sense??
     
    Good luck.
    • Gold Top Dog
    CALLIECRITTURS (or anyone who knows this) - - - I've got a Benadryl question.  I've got a 50 (actually about 52) lb. Brittany. I've been giving her Benadryl. I've been giving her 43.75 mg. One 25mg., a 12.5mg and cutting a 12.5 (children's chewable).  So, you say it's o.k. to give her 50 mg.  The reason I ask is because when she was younger, she had a bee sting and I gave her Benadryl and she was hyper for about an hour.  So much so, that I was very scared for her and it was during the night. I was up with her the whole night watching her.  Now I know that it was probably because she bit it, don't you think?  Because of this, I'm afraid to give her too much. Her itching is bad and the 43.75 seems to help some, but I"m wondering that it I was to give her 50 mg. it might help her more.  ;PLEASE tell me what you think?
     
    Thanks ! 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Not speaking for Callie, but I use benadryl every day for my lab.  My lab weighs 73 lbs, and I give her 3 25mg caps in the AM and PM.  Honestly you will be just fine to use 50 mg.  The hyperness you saw initially was very likely due to biting into it, and if she's tolerating the amount you're giving now, then bumping it up a little shouldn't cause any problems.  Just to be on the safe side, you might try bumping it up to 50 mg in the AM.  That way, if it causes any hyperness, at least you won't be up all night [:)].
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    [8|]  Thanks much for the help. I gave her the 50 mg and she hasn't been hyper at all.  Still chewing and itching but I know I've got to give it some time.  -Jenny