Where should we do the x-rays in this situation?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Where should we do the x-rays in this situation?

     I have had Willy 2 years this past June. He will turn age 9 in 2 weeks.  He has always done a "lazy" sit, can't do a formal one, and if he is in a sit, he can't lie down, has to stand, 'bow' and drop the rear to get there.

    Recently, he has added a new concern:  when he is pooping, he is not bending, there is no squat.  He keeps both rear legs straight, the left is pointing forward, the right moves far out to the right, then he leans back.  To keep his balance, his head goes way down.  He can't hold this awkward position for long, so he does a bit of poop, gets up and walks around, then back into that weird position.

    At the vet exam, she moved each joint individually: knees, hips, base of the foot, found nothing.  She also checked his back, still did not find any sore spots.

     He has to be under next Friday - unrelated to all this, he broke off the bottom of a tooth.  The part still in his mouth has a fracture from the base running up to and under the gumline.  This means he has collected a ton of tartar on this tooth, inflamed the gum. So he will have a dental (the other teeth all look good, wouldn't call for a dental otherwise), and that tooth 'may' need to come out.  While he is under, we are going to do x rays: knees and hips.

    But I keep wondering, should we be x raying some other area?  Instead, or in addition?   Anyone have thoughts on where the stress point could be to cause his awkward positioning?     For a bichon, Willy has a longer than usual back, with the typical bichon short legs. Thanks!

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    not really wanting to sit "formally" is typically a sign of tight pretty hips actually. Most Greyhounds for example cannot do that, because their hips are THAT tight. The breed has one of the least incidences of HD in any breed. I would be thinking, knees, because of the breed...and possibly because of the pooping issue...issues with the sphincter, pain perhaps...or even pelvis. Yes the spine could be an issue...but it would seem to me that if there is no real other incidence of pain or discomfort...like leaning down to eat...climbing stairs...scratching an itch...nibbling at their hind end like all dogs do sometimes...seems unlikely. What's the poops like? Constipated? any rectal bleeding? Straining? growths or bulging in the rectal area?
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    If it were me I'd want spinal x-rays.  some dogs are stoic and you won't get them to flinch when prodded/palpated.  You may find some vertebrae have fused from an old injury -- he may not bend because he can't.  I'd probably tell the vet to do extras if they find some *thing* that begins to look likely and they need to do an extra while he's out.

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    rwbeagles
    not really wanting to sit "formally" is typically a sign of tight pretty hips actually. Most Greyhounds for example cannot do that, because their hips are THAT tight. The breed has one of the least incidences of HD in any breed. I would be thinking, knees, because of the breed...and possibly because of the pooping issue...issues with the sphincter, pain perhaps...or even pelvis. Yes the spine could be an issue...but it would seem to me that if there is no real other incidence of pain or discomfort...like leaning down to eat...climbing stairs...scratching an itch...nibbling at their hind end like all dogs do sometimes...seems unlikely. What's the poops like? Constipated? any rectal bleeding? Straining? growths or bulging in the rectal area?

     

    Interesting on the hips, and the sit so thanks!  Yes bichons are prone to luxating patella, his knees checked out fine in the exam (and I'd had them check by a different vet when I got him 2 years back).  The hip dysplasia was the other thought; my RB Marlin had very bad hips.  But again seems OK at exam.

    We have a ranch house, no stairs to speak of, so I don't know how he is on them.   To go out back, we go down one step, walk through the garage, then down one step to the grass, done.  For walkies we go down the one step into the garage and out the big door.  I do it this way for the safety of the 'double door" system, as I also have cats and 3 are door darters.  So we don't use the front or side doors much at all and never with the dogs.  So stairs are not something I can easily observe with him.  He has never shown any interest in going down cellar with me when I do laundry, but I don't want any of them down there and only Tasha has ever been down.  So no help from that.

     Poops are normal, firm not hard, no bleeding or straining, no bulging.  

    • Gold Top Dog

    I, too, would add x-rays of the spine and possibly shoulders.  

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     I spoke with the vet on the phone this morning (called to say lab work is OK, he can have the anesthesia) and added the spine.  We discussed shoulder, funny enough, but she couldn't see how that would connect?  Could you explain your thinking for me?  Thanks.

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    Just from my own experiences (human, not dog), I know that pain in one area of my back/neck, etc., is usually an indicator of a problem that started else where either up or down the spine, often quite far away from the actual pain site.

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     OK, thanks.  When I spoke with the vet on the phone this AM, that was prior to reading your post.  But due to our discussion she did say she would check his shoulder.

    Funny thing, last February I had the opportunity for a free consult with a pet communicator.  At the time, Willy told her his hips and knees are fine but his left shoulder gets very sore in Agility class.  This is why I mentioned shoulder in the phone call!  I don't normally put much stock in those folks, too hard to tell if you have a good person or not.  Still, many of the things she said Willy told her were right on target, it was fun and interesting, at least.  He goes in next Friday so I can think / research on the possible shoulder connection to this.  Thank you again.