Possible loss of feeling in the back end

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    Possible loss of feeling in the back end

    Dipstick is having accidents in both his sleep and while awake. It's almost as if he can't feel the need to go. When he's awake, he'll start to have a bowel movement and suddenly he'll get this look of surprise, like he didn't know. And when he's asleep, it doesn't wake him up. He'll move later on and there will be a pile either underneath him or beside him. He's going pee with no issues, he'll put himself out side to pee. He's also having some mobility issues with his back hips. I'm wondering if these two things are related. He gets 2 to 3 pills of Recovery (joint supp) a day. More if needed and it seems to help with his movement but not with the other problem. Dipstick will be 18 in August.
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    Oh, that can't be fun for Dipstick. It sure sounds like the two could be related but I'm only guessing. I hope you can figure it out for him. Hugs and good vibes.
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     Definitely time for a vet check; they may do x rays.

     

    So hard as they age, hugs to you and cuddles to him.

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    I'd take him in to the vet ASAP.  They'll want to check for internal parasites but in an elderly dog there can be several causes that are age related. Just my personal opinion, but it's not something I would want to put an elderly dog through, if there is no cause that can be remedied.  Many dogs are quite distressed when they become fecal incontinent. 
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    I'll be talking with the owner shortly. He's not distressed by it, just embarrassed really. No one in the house minds cleaning up after him, and he still loves his food so I don't think it's his time just yet. I'm trying to not be to personal about it and look at his quality of life...
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    oranges81
    I'll be talking with the owner shortly. He's not distressed by it, just embarrassed really. No one in the house minds cleaning up after him, and he still loves his food so I don't think it's his time just yet. I'm trying to not be to personal about it and look at his quality of life...

    Jackie is right -- honestly there needs to be a vet visit **first**.  Once you know it's no big deal *then* you can just clean up if you want.

    It isn't uncommon in an elderly dog but I'm gonna ask more questions.

    How *much* are we talking about?  Like just a few bits or a full "whole-movement" sized pile?

    Consistency/color?  Anything at all abnormal?   Is it soft or "normal poop"??

    typically with an elderly dog you may see a few little short poops.  Simply because those nerves at the very "tail end" of the intestine are very related to the whole back-end and if he's having some mobility issues that's not going to be super unusual.   They literally can't "feel" that "go NOW" urgency.and it doesn't wake them up.  I saw them **occasionally** with Foxy and he'd get up and look at it like "who the heck left THAT here?!!"   Then he'd sniff it and ... look at me like "Sorry Mom!"

    But if this is a normal sized bowel movement VET -- ok?

    Are you massagine him with anything?  Like wintergreen or peppermint oil?  Those are usually really easy to find and honestly, it may help the continence a bit because it will reduce inflammation from arthritis, etc.  But truly -- he needs to be seen by a vet -- THEN you can decide what palliative stuff you want to do. 

    NutraJoint isn't available in Canada that I'm aware of -- it's gelatin and calcium (and a few other minerals/vitamins).  It all depends on what you *need* to do and you won't know that until he's seen.

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    oranges81
    He's not distressed by it, just embarrassed really.

    Aren't the two emotions pretty similar?  I don't happen to believe that just because a dog is eating he's enjoying a good quality of life.  Only you and the owner can decide what that means.  I do hope you can take him to the vet for a medical opinion.  You won't know if there's something that might help him with his rear end weakness and the incontinence without a vet's help, IMO.

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    Callie, it's a full movement. Nothing odd about it. I'll be making a vet appointment for him tomorrow. I didn't realize that it could be a big deal. I've never dealt with a dog this old.
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    oranges81
    He's not distressed by it, just embarrassed really.

    Aren't the two emotions pretty similar?  I don't happen to believe that just because a dog is eating he's enjoying a good quality of life.  Only you and the owner can decide what that means.  I do hope you can take him to the vet for a medical opinion.  You won't know if there's something that might help him with his rear end weakness and the incontinence without a vet's help, IMO.

    His eyes light up and he dances for his food dish. If he were just eating to stay alive, I'd notice. But he genuinely enjoys his dinner.
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    Oh, I sure hope the vet finds out what's wrong... sounds like it could be come kind of parasite or weakness of the bowel muscles... please keep us informed of what happens :) Oh, and what kind of dog is he? :)
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    oranges81
    Callie, it's a full movement. Nothing odd about it. I'll be making a vet appointment for him tomorrow. I didn't realize that it could be a big deal. I've never dealt with a dog this old.

    EACH elderly dog is completely different.  There's nothing writting in stone about "all elderly dogs do this" -- you're talking about a pretty extensive loss of feeling in the back end if there's that complete a lack of control.  And because there is a lack of bowel control that does *not* mean there is no feeling or pain.    There can be "pain" when the only other sensation is numbness. 

    Each dog is so unique.  Prissy lived to be almost 21 -- I regret and WILL regret to my dying day what she had to go thru because of our financial situation AND my emotional state at the time.  Foxy was 19 -- and really only declined the last two week s-- but it had nothing to do with 'wanting food" -- Foxy USED food to tell me he was 'done', but HIS criteria were that he couldn't walk on his own, couldn't keep track of ME like he wanted to, and it was just plain time for it to be OVER.  it was his "life" to take care of others ... and when that wasn't possible ... DONE!

    Kee Shu?  Unlike either one -- she was likely 18 or 19 -- but truly learned **very** late in life how to take comfort from a human.  She was incredibly frail ... but that late-learned "trust" she had in David and I brought her much joy in her last year.  She'd had such a very very difficult life, and her last 3 1/2 years were so very different from the rest of her life.  When she first came to us she was literally terrified to be "held" by a human.  Particularly by me.  She was a very interesting dog and the last couple of months, David and I both almost fought over the "quality of life" issue (me, incredibly, being the one who really thot we should send her to the Bridge).  But one afternoon after bathing her for the fourth time in as many hours, I suddenly realized how much **she** was completely enjoying the comfort she found in my arms that day.   Being warm, cuddled in a warm towel, she was fully and completely relaxed.  Awake?  Yes sir!!  Something she'd never ever had -- accepting love and comfort from a human.  For her, that was something precious. Yet again I had to learn something from a dog -- she'd gained something in the midnight of her life -- and for yet a little time she wanted to savor that.  And ... honestly, she made it VERY clear when she *was* "done".

    An extenuating circumstance that I'm only citing because NONE of them are "normal". 

    Each was very very different, but very "elderly" in the dog sense.

    A very wise person told me once -- you have to look at THAT *unique* personality.  What has defined their life?  What has been what **they** wanted to do?

    To be bluntly anthropomorphic, if they were to find voice and sit down with you for a cup of coffee what would they say?  How active has this dog previously been?  "Don't let me get to the point that I ________"

    I missed that badly with Prissy (because I was too weak to let her go -- **my** fault).  I got it right with Foxy.  We also got it right with Kee (and that one was truly a shared effort cos she was such a little oddity)

    I hope you ask the vet some pointed questions tomorrow ... and I know Dipstick isn't "your" dog.  But ... you also have hung out here a LONG time, and you know the wisdom Jackie is sharing here.  It's not necessary to let an animal go "as long as they can" to be kind.  For most of them that is NOT "kind".

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    Having gone through this recently I can say that my lab got an extra year of mobility from the drug Deramax.Normally I wouldn't go to such a powerfull drug but in the case of a dog at the end of life who's main problem is getting around to potty I feel it was justified.My girl had those "little Hershey kisses" left around in random spots but never a full bm.Good luck at the vet.

                                                                                                              Tena

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    I'm glad he's going to see the vet.  It's very possible that there are options (such as Tena suggests) that can help him be more comfortable.  Good luck at the vet.
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    What Dipstick is going through sounds similar to what went on with Mick the last couple years of his life, although it was just one little "poop ball" we'd find after he had been laying down for awhile or sleeping.  We chalked it up to his muscle loss from laryngeal paralysis.  Mick was embarrassed when he noticed it, so I would clean it up after I put him outside. 

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     My dog I had as a kid went through this - more similar to Mick in that it wasn't a full movement.

    I know that our ortho surgeon has already identified that B has a teeny bit of arthritis at the base of his tail, apparently this can cause nerve impingement as it worsens and can cause/contribute to incontinence.  So the combo of him losing control of his bowels and having hind end lameness could indicate he's hit that point

    Hopefully you can get an xray and see what's happening. Poor Dipstick I still feel like crying when I recall how ashamed my dog was when she would realize that she had pooped in her bed. Broke my heart then and still does.