Vomiting Bile

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    Vomiting Bile

    Bruder sometimes vomits bile.  I've done some reading on the subject and realize that its not that uncommon for dogs to do this.  It seems it could be for a few reasons.  Stress being one.  Vomitting either right before or after meals.  More than normal acid build up in the stomach.

    He is just fine otherwise, eats well, drinks well, eliminates well.  So, I'm not overly concerned with it.  I just wonder if there is a supplement I can offer him to help alleviate the issue (aside from Pepcid, etc.)  Something homeopathic would be preferred.

    I read that adding warm water to his kibble prior to feeding can help which I will also start doing.

    Thoughts?  Suggestions?

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    A couple of mine do this when they are hungry...usually in the morning.  Perhaps giving a pro-biotic might help things out some.  OR try spacing the food out or giving a small handfull first thing in the morn....works for me here!

    Good Luck

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    That's one of the reasons I went to 3 meals a day for Pi-man. He's just a puker :) Right now we do breakfast and dinner at 6, but with a snack around lunchtime and a Ginger cookie before bed. If I keep something in his belly, he doesn't do it.

    Slippery elm is good for upset tummies but I don't know how it work for bile-puking issues.

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    yogurt, spread meals over the day so he doesn't go extended periods with an empty stomach.  No sure about homeopathic pepsid alternatives, but I know that spreading meals to keep the stomach "in food" longer does help.  We had one dog at rescue who had bile every single morning, because he would digest his PM meal and have an empty stomach overnight.  We ended up giving him a few tablespoons of plain yogurt at the end of the night, before bed, and that helped.

     

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    ok...thanks.  I'll get back on a yogurt regimen; and give him some before bedtime.  Since we both work outside the home... a mid day meal won't work most days.  However, when we are home...I'll give him a mid day snack.

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    Barbara -- do you mean homeopathic specifically or a 'natural' or 'herbal'??  I think you meant you'd like to avoid a medicine or a pharmaceutical?

    A slurry of slippery elm, chlorophyl, aloe & a probiotic is awesome about 1/2 hr before meals to calm the stomach and if there is anything like an ulcer present it will heal it.  You can also give it last thing at night.  Search on here for "Slippery Elm Cocktail" -- I've posted it on here several times. 

    I can think of a couple of homeopathics -- there are some that are acid-reducers or anti-nausea (like nux vomica) but generally the one drawback to a homeopathic is the fact that they don't last in the body long.  They zoom in and work ****fast**** but they don't 'linger' in the body (cos there's no bulk to it to linger - it hits the bloodstream, prods the body to do something and is gone). 

    Let me look at home and see what I can come up with.

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    Here's Callies elm recipe....

    Slippery Elm Cocktail:

    Combine and store in airtight container in the fridge.  Get a couple of those baby medicine syringes and give a full one twice a day about 1/2 hr (if possible) before eating.  Just put the tip of the syringe behind the canine tooth and squirt gently so they can swallow.   
    1 -- half a cup of boiling water.

    2 -- add 1 rounded tsp. of ground slippery elm

    3 -- let cool totally

    4 -- add 1/8 c. + 2 tablespoons of aloe juice

    5 -- add 10 drops of liquid chlorophyll

    6 -- Add 2-3 capsules (open the caps) of acidolpholus

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    Mine can't be fed later than 8 a.m. or the Lhasa will get sick. Their dinner is at 7 p.m the night before, breakfast is usually 6 a.m. so if it gets close to 8 it has been too long for her. Have you tried adjusting breakfast & dinner times closer together? The Lhasa really got sick when I would feed once a day, she simply cannot handle that. (I have no clue why I fed only once a day but I did at one point.)
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    Yes, definately Callie.  I'd rather treat without pharmaceuticals if possible.  Thanks Johnny for Callie's recipe!  I'll get some slippery elm to keep as a staple around here.  That and yogurt will help, I'm sure.

    Meals aren't on a clock around here, its almost impossible.  On a typical work day...morning meal could be between 6:30 and 7:30am; with the evening meal somewhere between 6pm and 7pm...just all depends on whats going on at the moment.  So, certainly there is a long gap with an empty stomach.  The other piece to that puzzle, is that he gets a small portion (1 cup to 1.25 cups) each meal (TOTW).  He has a tendancy to become overweight.

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    The other piece to that puzzle, is that he gets a small portion (1 cup to 1.25 cups) each meal (TOTW).  He has a tendancy to become overweight.

    Thanks Johnny -- I didn't have time here to search.

    You might also want to check his thyroid but *not* a typical lab.  Either have your vet send it to Michigan State or send it to Dr. Dodds (has to be overnighted to either place)

    I was having the same type of problem with Luna and that ballooned one day into a full blown attack of gastritis (pretty much no warning).  Did a thyroid panel and Ms. I'm-the-Healthy-One turns up a bit low thyroid.

    Minimal supplementation (the smallest pill they make) but it's really helped.  She's my angsty one and I think the thyroid just pushed her over the edge.  Now I give her a little slippy elm along *with* her dinner.

    You can get caps easy, but if you poke around at a health store you should find "slippery elm tea" which is usually just slippery elm in bulk.  http://www.leavesandroots.com will sell it bulk (and it's good quality) if you do it long term.  Slippery elm coats the tummy a bit and is an anti-inflammatory for the gut.

    But since you comment on how easily there's a weight gain that *could* be the only symptom you'll get of hypo thyroid.  And honestly?  Even if you JUST did a typical vet thyroid profile **please** try the breed specific one via Dr. Dodds or Michigan State.  It can make SUCH a difference for a borderline dog.

     Still will do some looking at home.

     

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    I feed a bedtime snack, for this. Everybody gets a big cookie, because if Jewel wakes up with an empty tummy, she'll puke. She has a very delicate tummy, and needs a small amount in there, around the clock, or she doesn't feel good. I'm a simple kind of person. If a biscuit at bedtime fixes it, a biscuit it is!

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    jennie_c_d
    I'm a simple kind of person. If a biscuit at bedtime fixes it, a biscuit it is!

     

    LOL, I'm the same.  Twister is the only dog who will puke bile if he's got an empty tummy too long but they all get their nightime snack before bed.

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    And, I've certainly got plenty of "Buddy Biscuits"  I'll start giving bedtime treats, I'm sure I won't get any complaints.  Thanks !

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    I feed a bedtime snack, for this. Everybody gets a big cookie, because if Jewel wakes up with an empty tummy, she'll puke. She has a very delicate tummy, and needs a small amount in there, around the clock, or she doesn't feel good. I'm a simple kind of person. If a biscuit at bedtime fixes it, a biscuit it is!

    I do the same thing.  We have a jar of larger biscuits just for bedtime.