Allergies and Ear Infections

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    Allergies and Ear Infections

    Hello.  I am new here and would like to say hello to everyone and thanks for any help you can give me.  Our dog is a shepherd  and collie mix, about 7 years old and indoor dog.  She is affected by allergies and we are pretty sure they are good allergies and we are going to be in the process of changing her food but we have not got to that point yet.  She is being treated for her second ear infection and it is getting better.  She is on an anti-biotic, prednisone and some ear drops as well as ear cleaner.  Our vet also suggested that we can give her up to 2 Benadryl every 8 hours.  Well we have been giving her one in the morning and 2 at night before we sleep.  Also sometimes a low dosage of tramadol until the ear infection is gone.  The prednisone makes her drink a lot of water!  What we have noticed a couple times now at night time, after she has the two Benadryl is that there is a giant wet spot in the bed.  It goes through the sheets and the comforter.  My wife says the Benadryl is knocking her out and she drinks so much now, that she is peeing without knowing it.  Im not so sure because there is no smell at all.  None.  But last night we tested it after not giving her the Benadryl for a few days and sure enough, an hour after she fell asleep there was a giant wet spot.  She can also make a wet spot from constant licking too as I have see that before.  We she has a follow up soon so I will ask the vet but I also wanted to ask it here also.  Can it be pee with out any smell at all or could this wet spot be coming from licking, although she hasnt been doing much of that lately.  Thanks so much for any help.  

     

    Cobalt

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    It's likely both -- the pred makes them drink like fiends BUT it also really messes with muscle control.  ON one hand it can make it difficult for her to completely empty her bladder while she's outside.  But at the SAME time it can cause her to lack control while she's inside.

    The Benedryl also increases thirst a bit -- but more than that yes, it does  make them sleepy.

    BUT -- the dose your vet has your dog on (as a shepherd mix she must weigh maybe 50 pounds??) is TINY.  Lower than the recommended "dose" actually.  Benedryl should be dosed for dogs at 1-2 mg per pound of body weight given twice or three times a day.

    That  means a 50 pound dog would normally take two to four Benedryl Capsules 2-3 times a day.  Dogs have faster metabolisms than humans -- that's why the disparity in dose.

    But the biggest problem is honestly the prednisone.  Between the drinking and the lack of muscle control it's hard to deal with.

    SUGGESTION

    1.   If she's used to sleeping with you, put plastic under the bottom sheet at the bottom of the bed. (a cheap drop cloth or a plastic tablecloth)

    2.  At the petstore get a pair of "bitches britches" (like females in season wear).  Typically denim ... you'll need to measure her 'waist' near her ribs.  DON'T STOP THERE

    Stop at Walgreens and get human continence pads -- buy the thickest/longest you can ("overnights";) AND get some nylon first aid tape.  (not the 'waterproof' one).

    Cut the continence pad in half and with the nylon tape, tape the cut end shut so the stuffing doesn't leak out.    Fold down the rounded end just about an inch (so that end sticks to itself.  THEN put the continence pad in the britches so that folded end sticks way up and nearly covers the tail hole.  (No, I'm not crazy)

    When you put them on her, pull her tail thru and pull them up so that folded end of that continence pad seats way up under her tail.    Females pee from way high up -- and if you don't get that pad way high under her tail she'll just pee and miss the pad totally.  I've done this MANY times -- I had an old dog who was largely incontinent and we kept her dry and safe for about 6 years!!

    *smile*  I'm still not crazy -- put a sign on the door you use to let her out that says "TAKE OFF BRITCHES" because you'll forget to take them off her when she DOES go outside and she'll look at you like you're horrible.  *laughing to remember*

    Between keeping plastic under her and continence pads on her so they'll really absorb the wetness you will survive this.

    I've tried it all -- I've used diapers and cut "holes" for the tail, I've used all sorts of potty panties and this honestly works and works well on a big dog. 

    3.  My next suggestion is for you to find OTHER ways of treating the allergies.  And there are!!!  My Billy has serious allergies -- and I use TCVM (Traditional Chinese Veterinary medicine) -- that's acupuncture and Chinese herbals and they help INCREDIBLY well.

    Of all the allergy dogs I've had only a couple were food allergic.  There are foods that can make them *worse* but usually food isn't a primary allergen.  

    http://www.tcvm.com is the Chi Instiitute and there is a  locator on the left.  Let me know if I can help.  Callie

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     Thanks for all the great info, I appreciate it.  Today is prenisone is cut in half so maybe that will help some too.  And in 5 days it will cut in half again which is a half of pill every other day.  I really wish there was a inexpensive way to test for a food allergy.  The special food is so expensive.  I would hate to have switched to it for no reason!  Thanks again.

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    Cobalt

     Thanks for all the great info, I appreciate it.  Today is prenisone is cut in half so maybe that will help some too.  And in 5 days it will cut in half again which is a half of pill every other day.  I really wish there was a inexpensive way to test for a food allergy.  The special food is so expensive.  I would hate to have switched to it for no reason!  Thanks again.

    I have an allergy Shepherd, and Callie and my vet are my "go to girls". My dog is from a breeder, and is 4 years old. The area I live in is allergy city. because of where I live, the vet shot down allergy testing, there would be no way to get a good read, ever.

    I am gonna say, like Callie, the pred is your culprit, it too would make my male iffy when pee'ing. He would want to go, indicate he had to, and we would take him out, only for him to just stand there "trying and thinking he was" only to have him come in the house and start to pee. His head told him go, his body was getting the message delayed by about 10 min. It was frustrating for all of us. He has been predisone free for almost 6 months now. In fact, outside of a recent high allergy section during the onset of fall, he is almost Benedryl free as well.

    He rarely gets ear infections now.

    Culprits, outside allergies and a food allergy. We know he is allergic to corn base products. He also does not do well on flaxseed. He doesn't mind the cut on the flaxseed, but the disappearance of his doritio's really upset the apple cart. Stick out tongue

    We had him tested for a thyroid problem, while he is not, some of his numbers on other things were out of whack.

    We did elimination diets. This is something you can do with dedication. My boy now eats Natural Balance Sweet Potato and Bison. It is a limited ingredient food. Before that he was on Purina Pro Plan's Sensitive skin and stomach. Find the ingredients on the other food and try to match them to something over the counter and bought at either a pet supply center or online. You could try something that has LESS ingredients, but not different. Don't look at the grocery store.

    He takes probiotics.

    We took playing in water, outside of baths, out of his routine. When he gets bathed, and that is once a week, I use http://www.medicinenet.com/ketoconazole-shampoo/article.htm. It is working well.

    You can do this, I did, with help, guidence and support from my friends, family and vet.

    Good luck.

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    You should be giving probiotics 2-3 hours after the antibiotic.  This can prevent intestinal problems developing from the antibiotic killing the beneficial bacteria in the digestive tract.

    Also take a look here for a different way to deal with ear infections (after you finish the vet treatment):  http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/BLUE.HTM

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    Food is SO often discussed first, and unfortunately that's usually because the vet has this "answer" sitting in stacks in his office - "prescription" food.  Hills "z" diet is FULL of allergens -- the only reason it "works" is because it breaks the food down into such minute micro-bits that the body processes it differently. 

    The "shots" work well for some dogs BUT only about 65% of the dogs who get them respond well to them.  And the dog has to go thru heck for 18 months while they are starting to be effective.

    3-4 is about the age most dogs develop allergies -- and typically it's environmental NOT food.  Let me see if I can make it make more sense for you.

    There are 4 "types" of allergies:

    1.  Environmental -- hayfever (pollen, hay, goldenrod, grass, anything green, anything moldy or dusty from outside).  Usually they never go away ... but they "worsen" at certain high allergy times of the year.

    2.  Contact -- it's something in the environment but it's specifically spread by the oil of the plant getting on the skin SOMEHOW.  These are typically easy to identify -- belly, feet, 'creases' - but very often the lips and muzzle (because the contact allergen gets on the tongue from licking and that burns the mouth/muzzle).  For humans poison ivy is a biggie.  Dogs tend to have MORE contact allergens -- St. Augustine sod, night-blooming jasmine, ANY variety of wandering jew, poison oak, poison ivy, and tons of others.  Can be something the dog didn't even lay in -- but rather the humans walk thru grass cuttings, get the oil on their shoes, walk into the house and on the carpets, dog lays ON carpet (or touches shoes, pantleg, etc.) and 'contact' is made.

    3.  Food allergies -- there is a DIFFERENCE between a food intolerance and an allergy.  Dog allergies (of all kinds) manifest on the skin.  A food allergy will come out pretty fast in the mucus membranes or cause a 'wound' on the skin.  But there are certain foods that promote inflammation and that is NOT an "allergy" -- things like chicken and rice tend to be inflammatory foods but they don't cause an 'allergy' -- they just help the body vent an already existing problem. (Statistically only about 27% of all dog allergies are food-related)

    4.  Flea allergy dermatitis -- it's almost a different category but it's vicious.  The dog is actually allergic to the flea SPIT.  Yep I'm serious.  One *bite* and the affected dog is in misery for months -- it starts at the base of the tail and crawls up the back and down the back legs and eventually to the belly.  Crusty sores that cluster together in those mentioned areas first - usually takes pred to relieve it.  But it's so toxic to the body ONE bite can result in months of agony.

    TYPICALLY when a dog is allergic to one thing it's often allergic to many.  And really often it crosses back and forth among all 4 of those things above.  Allergy testing can be helpful IF you can uncover some magic high allergen --

    I always use the example of a friend of mine with a manchester terrier who was sore and nekkid most of the year.  It was easy to see Quincy's allergies were partly seasonal -- he got worse in the Spring and Fall but it never really went away. 

    But they lived in a house with a dirt basement (dampness, mold), wallpaper (mold, dust mites galore), and had rows of oaks and maples up and down the street.  (all major typical allergens).

    But they had him tested at Cornell (vet schools rock by the way - they tend to be WAY cheaper than a regular vet on stuff like this and you get cutting edge help).  SURPRISE -- he had ONE allergen that was his **worst**

    What?  VERY rare in dogs.  **Feathers**!!!!  Yep -- freaking feathers.  And ... you guessed it -- these folks slept with feather pillows 24/7 ... and in the fall??? Feather duvets!!! 

    My friend got hypo-allergenic covers for the pillows and mattresses and suddenly Quincy's allergies were maintainable.  he had tons of others but that one that they COULD do something about made his life much easier.

    But honestly?  That sort of result is rare -- usually the highest allergen is mold or pollen or chlorophyl or .... whatever your house is smack in the middle of.  Heck, growing up I suffered every fall and spring-- but the leaves in the fall were the WORST.  So I hit 30 and hightailed it to Florida thinking whooo hoooo -- no fall leaves!!

    DUMB -- shoot! down here it's "allergy season" 12 months of the year.  *sigh* I have worse allergies here than I've ever had before!

    Maybe this analogy will help you.

    Think of a bucket sitting under a leaky tap.  Now it's an old bucket so it leaks a bit from the bottom. 

    The water dripping in is "allergens".  But sometimes it rains and gets in the bucket too (more allergens) ... and the hose drips down in the bucket too (MORE allergens).

    As the bucket fills the worse the allergies get.  Does it really matter which allergies came from the rain the hose or the tap?  Nope. 

    Sometimes the leak in the bottom ALMOST equals the drip coming in.  so the allergies aren't "worsening" nor to they seem unusual.  You might even not realize they're there because the level just stays ... level.  BUT ... there are allergies there cos they are in the bucket. 

    At certain times (when the hose is used, when it rains a lot, etc.) the bucket fills up and even overflows.  That's like when the dogs skin is SO bad you can't get it under control, it infects, you gotta use antibiotics and pred and you're still losing your mind over it. 

    But ... all those allergens that combine and flow over the top of the bucket??  Can you even TELL which drops of water came from where?  Nope.  That's like when allergies get really "bad" - switching food may give SOME relief from SOME of the allergens (like making the hole in the bottom a little bigger??) and it might even help keep the level of the water/allergens IN the bucket more ... well ... level.  BUT there are STILL allergens there.  They're still keeping the body inflamed and riled up but maybe the food is just taking a little off the top so it doesn't overflow.

    My point is this -- food rarely 'cures' allergies.  It might help SOME.  And you make a tradeoff -- there are nasty carcinogenic preservatives in all of those "allergy" commerical diets the vets love -- which ... cause OTHER problems.  And .. that allergy food is expensive.

    So ... for MY money I tend to look further -- I like to use the TCVM or homeopathy for allergies.  I've had EXTREMELY good luck with homeopathy with both Billy AND me.  It's not expensive (and both me and the dog actually go to a homeopath -- a physician who specializes IN homeopathy)..  NO sleepy stuff, no steroids ... just relief.

    If you want I can teach you about homeopathy -- it's a whole separate branch of alternative medicine -- a homeopathic is NOT a "natural" or something "holistic" -- it's not a naturally occuring substance.  It's a whole different modality of the medical arts.  Feel free to email me -- I have an article I can send you or I can email or chat with you.  I'm not a vet ... just a person who has had extremely bad reactions to a lot of medicines so I've found other methods that work for me.

    I will be honest tho -- the one drawback to homeopathy (and again I'm being honest here) - they aren't "convenient'.  They aren't pharmaceuticals so there's no such thing as a homeopathic that is a "time-release" thing -- generally you have to take homeopathics 3 times a day.  Sometimes more ... and sometimes folks don't want to have to 'give' a dog something several times a day.

    They never taste bad, and often dogs think they're a treat (cos they tend to be sweet).  But I'll tell you they can sure help allergies.