Excess Acid/Bile causes vomitting???

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    Excess Acid/Bile causes vomitting???

    Hi all!

     

    My sweet Ruby Sue has a very sensitive stomach...she is very sensitive to corn, and some other grains...so we feed her grain free foods.  The vomitting has gotten so much better after figuring out just WHAT she can eat in regards to food or treats...and I couldn't be happier for her.

    She still has the vomitting in the morning that is just bile...usually 3 or so times  week.  We have a wonderful vet, and we've gotten a second opinion as well...and both believe it is related to her allergies...however I am in a bit of doubt.  I was doing some research in one of my dad's old Vet books (he's a farmer), and the bile/foamy stuff she vomits up each morning certainly seems like its excess bile and acid in her tummy.  I did some more research on the internet...and although it seems a bit of a stretch b/c we feed her 3x a day so she doesn't go long stretches w/o food...since it always happens in the morning on an empty stomach I have a feeling I might be right.

    So...in the research I have found, I noticed that about 6-7 articles recommend Pepcid AC...and of course smaller more frequent meals.  I'm thinking of starting to feed her every 6 hours...so 4 times a day...and maybe give her a little pepcid to see if that works?  If anyone has had any experience with this...I would REALLY appreciate it.  I'm wondering how much pepcid to give her, and if you think every 6 hours would be enough to keep the bile/acid down.  The 3 meals a day works great...during the day...but by morning (about 4-6am) she's usually sick.  I usually feed her about 7am, 2pm, and then 9pm.  I'm thinking the night is just too long for her tummy.  She's never thrown up food or thick stuff...just always the bile.  She used to throw up food when we hadn't figured out her allergy to corn...but now that is under control it's just the foamy yellowish gold bile. No diahrrea, or any other symptoms.  Bloodwork, scans, and everything come back great....

     Let me know what you guys think...and if there is any place I can see how much pepcid to give her...I'd like to start off SUPER low...and only give more if nescessary.  I love her to pieces...but I have to admit...I feel SO bad for her having to be sick.  Luckily it doesn't seem to get her down at ALL...she's just as happy as she always is!

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    Do you give her a snack RIGHT before bed? Pirate used to do this, until I started giving him a cookie at 10 or 11PM - literally, as we are going to bed. Natural Balance makes a nice limited ingredient cookie that is sweet-potato based.
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    sl2crmeg
    Do you give her a snack RIGHT before bed? Pirate used to do this, until I started giving him a cookie at 10 or 11PM - literally, as we are going to bed. Natural Balance makes a nice limited ingredient cookie that is sweet-potato based.

     

    Yup, about 11:30 every night before she goes in her crate we give her a rice/pumpkin, and natural meat dog treat in a kong.  She loves it...and does great...it only seems to happen on an empty stomach after she wakes up.  So who knows!  I've given her that treat since the stomach issues began...and she always does great on it during the day...it's like sleeping is the x-factor in this.  We checked for hypoglycemia...but besides the vomitting she hasn't really had any other symptoms.  I'm debating about setting my alarm for like 2am to give her the kong instead....although I know it will break her heart to not get it every night when we "tuck her in" lol.  Let me know what you think!

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    RubyandStewiesmom
    .and if there is any place I can see how much pepcid to give her...I'd like to start off SUPER low...and only give more if nescessary. 

    A book you MUST get - "The Pill Book Guide to Medications for Your Dog and Cat" (Dell Reference -- last pub 1998) -- you can get it on Amazon for like $6.99 -- it has dose charts for MANY things you can get for your dog, and it also explains the side effects, what an "overdose" looks like, and how the med "works".

     Tagament is a drug called cimetidine -- 5 mg/pound  (five milligrams per pound) given 3-4 times a day

    Pepcid (and Pepcid AC) are a cousin drug called famotodine -- 0.25 mg/pound (thats one-fourth of a milligram per pound) given 1-2 times a day

    Zantac is a third cousin drug call Ranitidine -- 0.5 - 1 mg/pound (one half to one milligram per pound) given 2-3 times a day

    Probably Tagament (altho the oldest and cheapest) is the least "friendly" of the 3.  These really are NOT meant for long term -- they can all cause the very thing they're trying to prevent if you use them long term.

    (yes, all that info is from the "Pill Book Guide";)

    Giving something right before bed -- and I know you're trying not to do grains but those tend to last the longest in the gut -- tho some sort of sweet potato based cookie *would* work better.  Frankly, you'd probably be best off to MAKE something on your own -- maybe sweet potato and ground millet or something.

    Honestly -- if I were to give you a couple more suggestions --

    A.  I would do the Slippery Elm Cocktail and give it half an hour before meals (and you can give it again at bedtime).  It's VERY healing to the stomach and will help a great deal.  (I;ll  put it at the end of this post)

     B.  I would find a TCVM vet (Traditional Chinese Veterinary Medicine) -- they can often help these recurrent gut problems with acupuncture and herbs that are FAR easier on the gut long-term and won't cause long term problems.  This honestly is something TCVM does WAY better than regular veterinary medicine.  And it's really pretty common now -- it's on the vet school curriculum up at the University of Florida at Gainesville, among other places.

    1 -- half a cup of boiling water.

    2 -- add 1 rounded tsp. of ground slippery elm

    3 -- let cool totally

    4 -- add 1/8 c. + 2 tablespoons of aloe juice

    5 -- add 10 drops of chlorophyll

    6 -- Add 2-3 capsules (open the caps) of acidolpholus

     

    Once you get it mixed up and whipped smooth, it keeps in the fridge for 3-4 days (after that the acidopholous dies). 

     

    Use a baby medicine syringe and load it FULL.  Give about half an hour before a meal.  Just put the tip of the syringe behind the canine tooth and hold the mouth loosely closed.  Squirt slowly so they can work their tongue to swallow.

     

     

    All 3 are anti-ulcer drugs -- the main difference is how long they "work" in the body.  Tagament is given 3-4 times a day.  Pepcid lasts a little longer and is given 1-2 times a day.  Usually Zantac is twice a day/