Effects of Spaying on Longevity

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    Effects of Spaying on Longevity

     

     

     

    A Healthier Respect for Ovaries
    David J. Waters, DVM, PhD, Diplomate ACVS

    A recent study by my research group appearing next month in Aging Cell reveals shortened longevity as a possible complication associated with ovary removal in dogs (1). This work represents the first investigation testing the strength of association between lifetime duration of ovary exposure and exceptional longevity in mammals. To accomplish this, we constructed lifetime medical histories for two cohorts of Rottweiler dogs living in 29 states and Canada: Exceptional Longevity Cohort = a group of exceptionally long-lived dogs that lived at least 13 years; and Usual Longevity Cohort = a comparison group of dogs that lived 8.0 to 10.8 years (average age at death for Rottweilers is 9.4 years). A female survival advantage in humans is well-documented; women are 4 times more likely than men to live to 100. We found that, like women, female Rottweilers were more likely than males to achieve exceptional longevity (Odds Ratio, 95% confidence interval = 2.0, 1.2 - 3.3; p = .006). However, removal of ovaries during the first 4 years of life erased the female survival advantage. In females, this strong positive association between ovaries and longevity persisted in multivariate analysis that considered other factors, such as height, adult body weight, and mother with exceptional longevity.

    In summary, we found female Rottweilers who kept their ovaries for at least 6 years were 4.6 times more likely to reach exceptional longevity (i.e. live >30 % longer than average) than females with the shortest ovary exposure. Our results support the notion that how long females keep their ovaries determines how long they live.

    In the pages that follow, I have attempted to frame these new findings in a way that will encourage veterinarians to venture beyond the peer-reviewed scientific text and data-filled tables of Aging Cell to consider the pragmatic, yet sometimes emotionally charged implications of this work. Call it a primer for the dynamic discussions that will undoubtedly take place, not only between practitioners and pet owners, but also within the veterinary profession. Call it a wake-up call for how little veterinarians have been schooled in the mechanistic nuts and bolts underlying the aging process. Call it an ovary story.

    Do ovaries really promote longevity? Observed associations between exposures and outcomes may not necessarily be causal, so we explored alternative, non-causal explanations for the association between ovaries and exceptional longevity in our study. But we found no evidence that factors which may influence a pet owner's decision on age at ovary removal — for example, earlier ovariectomy in dogs with substandard conformation or delayed ovariectomy to obtain more offspring in daughters of long-lived mothers — could adequately account for the strong association.

    There is another aspect of our data pattern that gives us further confidence that ovaries really do matter when it comes to successful aging. A simple explanation for the observation that ovaries promote longevity would be that taking away ovaries increases the risk for a major lethal disease. In Rottweilers, cancer is the major killer. We found, however, that by conducting a subgroup analysis that excluded all dogs that died of cancer, the strong association between intact ovaries and exceptional longevity persisted. After excluding all cancer deaths, females that kept their ovaries the longest were 9 times more likely to reach exceptional longevity than females with shortest ovary exposure. Thus, we observed a robust ovarian association with longevity that was independent of cause of death, suggesting that a network of processes regulating the intrinsic rate of aging is under ovarian control. This work positions pet dogs, with their broad range of lifetime ovary exposure, to become biogerontology's new workhorse for identifying ovary-sensitive physiological processes that promote healthy longevity.

    Interestingly, our findings in dogs surface just as data from women are calling into question whether those who undergo hysterectomy should have ovary removal or ovary sparing. In fact, our results mirror the findings from more than 29,000 women in the Nurses’ Health Study who underwent hysterectomy for benign uterine disease (2). In that study, the upside of ovariectomy — protection against ovarian, uterine, and breast cancer — was outweighed by increased mortality from other causes. As a result, longevity was cut short in women who lost their ovaries before the age of 50 compared with those who kept their ovaries for at least 50 years. Taken together, the emerging message for dogs and women seems to be that when it comes to longevity, it pays to keep your ovaries.

    But before we all go out and buy T-shirts with some romantic imperative like “Save the Ovaries”, perhaps we should step back and consider the following question: Why haven’t previous dog studies called our attention to this potential downside of ovariectomy? Reviewing the literature, an answer quickly bubbles up. No previous studies in pet dogs have rigorously evaluated the association between ovaries and longevity. Two frequently cited reports (3,4) provide limited guidance because: (1) longevity data are presented as combined mean age at death for a relatively small number of individuals of more than 50 breeds of different body size and life expectancy; and (2) ovarian status is reported as “intact” or “spayed”, rather than as number of years of lifetime ovary exposure. Comparing female dogs binned into the categories of “intact” versus “spayed” introduces a methodological bias that might lead one to conclude that ovaries adversely influence longevity, i.e. ovary removal promotes longevity. Because the reasons for ovariectomy (e.g., uterine infection, mammary cancer) increase with increasing age, it is expected that a large percentage of the oldest-dogs are binned as “spayed” despite having many years of ovary exposure. For example, a dog who at age 12 undergoes ovariohysterectomy for pyometra would be binned as “spayed”, despite 12 years of ovary exposure. In our study, we employed a more stringent study design — restricting the study population to AKC registered, pure-bred dogs of one breed, carefully quantitating the lifetime duration of ovarian exposure — in order to lessen the likelihood of such bias. And we reasoned that studying veterinary teaching hospital-based populations of dogs with artifactually low life expectancies (for example, 3.5 years is median age at death for Rottweilers in the Veterinary Medical Data Base)(5) was an inappropriate vehicle to describe the influence that ovaries have on aging. So we cast a wider net and collected data from Rottweiler owners nationwide, focusing our attention on exceptional longevity, not average age at death, as our study endpoint.

    Why study exceptional longevity? Why not average longevity? We thought studying the most exceptionally long-lived individuals would tell us something about what it takes to age successfully. It’s the same rationale used by Thomas Perls and investigators of the New England Centenarian Study (6) and by other scientists who study long-lived humans in other parts of the world (7). The approach even garners support from the mathematical field. In a seminal book on the origins of creative genius, the mathematician Jacques Hadamard wrote: “In conformity with a rule which seems applicable to every science of observation, it is the exceptional phenomenon which is likely to explain the usual one.” (8) Hadamard was trying to understand how the brain gets creative so he studied people with extreme creativity. When it comes to studying aging, we’re solidly in the Hadamard camp. That is why in 2005 we established the Exceptional Longevity Data Base, launching the first systematic study of the oldest-old pet dogs (9). But folks in the opposing camp might justifiably fire back: “Don’t study extreme longevity. Extreme longevity is much more about luck than it is about genes, or environment, or ovaries.”

    So to address the possibility that the “strangeness” or outlier nature of dogs with exceptional longevity could be forging a misleading link between ovaries and longevity, we studied a separate cohort of Rottweiler dogs. This data set was comprised of 237 female Rottweilers living in North America that died at ages 1.2 to 12.9 years — none were exceptionally long-lived. Information on medical history, age at death, and cause of death was collected by questionnaire and telephone interviews with pet owners and local veterinary practitioners. In this population, we found females that kept their ovaries for at least 4.5 years had a statistically significant 37% reduction in mortality rate (1). This translated into a median survival of 10.4 years for females with more than 4.5 years of ovary exposure — 1.4 years longer than the median survival of only 9.0 years in females with shorter ovary exposure (p < 0.0001). Taken together, if you take out ovaries before 4 years of age you cut longevity short an average of 1.4 years and decrease the likelihood of reaching exceptional longevity by 3-fold.

    Up to this point, my ovary story has centered around a summarizing of methodologies and results. The reader has been given opportunity to see the gist of our findings within the context of previous dog studies and late-breaking studies in women. Now, let us pivot our attention a bit away from the results to focus on the recipients of these results — DVMs and pet owners.

    We can start by tackling the question: Just how receptive will DVMs be to these new research findings? It’s hard for old dogs to learn new tricks. But one thing is sure — blossoming change is rooted in real communication. The anthropologist Gregory Bateson wrote: “The pre-instructed state of the recipient of every message is a necessary condition for all communication. A book can tell you nothing unless you know 9/10ths of it already.” (10). I call this “Bateson’s Rule of the 9/10ths”. If Bateson is right, then we will want to do something about the pre-instructed state of veterinarians. Because when it comes to the biology of aging, the state is virtually a blank slate. None of us received training in the biology of aging as part of our DVM curriculum — whether we graduated 30 years ago or last summer. Therefore, most DVMs are ill-prepared to receive messages examining the mechanistic underpinnings of the aging process. A Batesonian prescription for positive change would be to ratchet up the biology of aging IQ of practicing veterinarians. We agree. That is why we established the first gerontology training program for veterinarians in 2007 (11). We believe that by helping veterinarians “know” more about aging, they will be more able and more receptive to communicating the things that promote healthy longevity in their patients — things like preserving ovaries.

    For certain, DVMs will be asked by pet owners to help them make their decision about age at spay in light of this new information. The question will be asked: Just how generalizable are these findings in Rottweilers to other segments of the pet dog population? It is impossible to say at this time. It will demand further study. Alas, 10 years from now, we might just find out that a longevity-promoting effect of ovaries in dogs is limited — limited to large breeds, urban but not rural dogs, or only those individuals with particular polymorphisms in insulin-like growth factor-1. These restrictions should not only be expected, they should be celebrated. It will mean that we have looked more deeply into how ovaries might influence healthy longevity. It will mean that our initial findings have been contextualized. And it is this contextualization of information that marks scientific progress — the kind of progress that guides sound clinical decision making. For it is context that determines meaning (12).

    Our provocative findings in Aging Cell mean that it’s time to re-think the notion that taking away ovaries has no significant downside to a dog’s healthy longevity. Perhaps it would help us if we thought of lifetime ovary exposure as information — information that instructs the organism. Just how long and how healthy a female lives reflects what her cells, tissues, and organs thought they heard from the message received. Of course in biology, there is no single message but a symphony of messages, enabling each individual to successfully respond to environmental challenges. Our findings suggest that ovaries orchestrate that symphony. Taking away ovaries in early or mid-life makes for muddled information, less than perfect music.

    Information muddling can ensnarl decision-making. Our research takes an important first step toward disentangling the thinking about ovaries and longevity. We must never be paralyzed by the incompleteness of our knowledge. Our knowledge will always be incomplete — subject to revision, primed for further inquiry. This uncertainty, although invigorating for the investigator, is often painful for the practitioner who seeks simple, fact-driven algorithms to guide his action. Just as scientists will be called upon to forge ahead with their scientific inquiries, so too will practitioners be counted on to master the uncertainty. Together, we must navigate what the Danish philosopher-theologian Soren Kierkegaard called the gap “between the understanding and the willing.” That is, we must ask the right questions and make smart choices so that our action (the willing) is in synch with our knowledge (the understanding). Under just what circumstances will a particular individual benefit from specific lifestyle decisions? This is perhaps the most prescient, overarching question in the wellness and preventive medicine fields facing both human and veterinary health professionals today. How can we promote healthy longevity? Antioxidant supplementation or calorie restriction? Ovary removal or ovary sparing?

    Undoubtedly, there will be protagonists and antagonists in this ovary story. The protagonists will be open-minded to following a new script. They will embrace the idea of ovary sparing for critical periods of time to maximize longevity. They might even recognize the need for some sort of “ovarian mimetic” in spayed dogs to optimize healthy aging. The antagonists in this story — the defenders of the old script — will dismiss as trivial the notion that ovaries regulate the rate of aging and influence healthy longevity. Lines will be drawn and opinions will fly. But that's what healthy debate is — antagonists and protagonists keeping a high priority issue front and center, not allowing it to fade into the woodwork. It would seem that, in light of the new scientific findings, a contemporary dialogue should balance the potential benefits of elective ovary removal (13) with its possible detrimental effects on longevity.

    References

    1. Waters DJ, Kengeri SS, Clever B, et al: "Exploring the mechanisms of sex differences in longevity: lifetime ovary exposure and exceptional longevity in dogs." Aging Cell October 26, 2009

    2. Parker WH, Broder MS, Chang E et al: "Ovarian conservation at the time of hysterectomy and long-term health outcomes in the Nurses' Health Study." Obstet Gynecol 113: 1027-1037, 2009

    3. Bronson RT: "Variation in age at death of dogs of different sexes and breeds." Am J Vet Res 43: 2057-9, 1982

    4. Michell AR: "Longevity of British breeds of dog and its relationships with sex, size, cardiovascular variables and disease." Vet Rec 145: 625-629, 1999

    5. Patronek GJ, Waters DJ, Glickman LT et al: "Comparative longevity of pet dogs and humans: implications for gerontology research." J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci 52: B171-8, 1997

    6. Perls TT, Hutter Silver M, Lauerman JF: Living to 100: Lessons in Living to Your Maximum Potential at Any Age, New York, NY, Basic Books, 1999

    7. Franceschi C, Motta L, Valensin S et al: "Do men and women follow different trajectories to reach extreme longevity?" Aging (Milano) 12: 77-84, 2000

    8. Hadamard J: The Psychology of Invention in the Mathematical Field. New York, NY, Oxford Univ Press, 1945, p. 136

    9. Waters DJ, Wildasin K: "Cancer clues from pet dogs." Sci Am 295: 94-101, 2006

    10. Bateson G, Bateson MC: Angels Fear: Towards an Epistemology of the Sacred. New York, NY, Bantam, 1988, p 163

    11. Gerontology Program for DVMs co-sponsored and organized by Gerald P. Murphy Cancer Foundation, Purdue University Center on Aging and the Life Course, P&G Pet Care; for more information go to www.gpmcf.org

    12. Waters DJ, Chiang EC, Bostwick DG: "The art of casting nets: fishing for the prize of personalized cancer prevention." Nutr Cancer 60: 1-6, 2008

    13. Kustritz MV: "Determining the optimal age for gonadectomy of dogs and cats." J Am Vet Med Assoc 231: 1665-75, 2007

     
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    • Gold Top Dog

    How does that equate with longevity for the unwanted puppies that are created when pet owners don't spay?  It isn't just the life of the individual that matters, although my spayed girls have all lasted into extreme old age for their respective breeds.  So, while this study is a good argument for keeping a bitch intact if ALL you are interested in is longevity, I doubt if doing so is in the best interest of all dogs.  JMHO

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    spiritdogs

    How does that equate with longevity for the unwanted puppies that are created when pet owners don't spay?  It isn't just the life of the individual that matters, although my spayed girls have all lasted into extreme old age for their respective breeds.  So, while this study is a good argument for keeping a bitch intact if ALL you are interested in is longevity, I doubt if doing so is in the best interest of all dogs.  JMHO

     If it is my dog then it is the individual that matters. Not sure about your situation or others here but my dogs will not be producing unwanted puppies. Spaying isn't the only way to prevent unwanted litters. Surgically vets can remove just the uterus and leave the ovaries. Vesctomies can be done on male dogs but for some strange most vets won't do them. And there is always just keeping your dog at home, surpervised :)

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     Unspayed dogs do not create puppies by themselves. I wish I'd been able to keep Ena Bean intact for at least a little longer, but she wouldn't come out of season. Her breeder, her vet, and I all felt it was in her best interest to spay her before a bigger problem came up.

     

    Of course, Jewel was spayed too late. There's always that risk, and knowing when is too late is probably a pretty hard thing. She was 8, when I adopted and spayed her, and had two mammory tumors removed at the same time. 

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    spiritdogs

    So, while this study is a good argument for keeping a bitch intact if ALL you are interested in is longevity, I doubt if doing so is in the best interest of all dogs. 

     

    Well, no offense but I have my own dogs for myself and my reasons, not for anyone else or their dogs.  I will carefully weigh medical decisions taking into account each individual dog and what is recommended by the breeder, orthopedic specialist, and vets.

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     Ultimately, every individual needs to weigh the pros and cons for themselves. As a WHOLE, I prefer to see dogs spayed/neutered sooner rather than later. I've known far too many irresponsible owners. I think the people on this board are frankly in the minority in terms of owner responsibility, education and know how in keeping an intact dog. Personally, I prefer spaying earlier. Plus, there are too many dogs whose owners let them run loose around here. Two of which are intact huge males whom I am not sure I could defend my dog away from, if Ari were not spayed for instance (which she is not so thankfully it's a moot point).

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    That's an interesting article and I'm all for people making informed decisions about spaying young.  It makes perfect sense to me that keeping all the organs a animal is born with would be the best, unless said organ is unhealthy. 

      I'm all for spaying/neutering animals that are at risk for increasing the numbers of unwanted dogs/cats (due to irresponsible owners) but that's not the topic. 

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    JackieG
      I'm all for spaying/neutering animals that are at risk for increasing the numbers of unwanted dogs/cats (due to irresponsible owners) but that's not the topic. 

     Unfortunately, those people (people who let their dogs roam for instance) are unlikely to alter their dogs anyway. We'd be much better off right now if responsible ownership and care had been heavily promoted for the past 20 years instead of S/N. If there were multi-million dollar organizations promoting training and proper pet care as there is with S/N, owners and dogs on a whole would be better educated. And for owners who insist on being irresponsible, actually enforcing leash laws would take care of a lot of the issue - not only with unwanted litters but with dog attacks on other dogs and on people. If owners knew they would get fined if their dog left their property and that the fine would increase each time, most would suddenly find themselves able to confine their dogs. Or think twice about having a dog if they can't keep him at a home. As it is, it seems leash laws are rarely enforced. S/N doesn't make someone a responsible owner and not altering doesn't make someone irreponsible.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I'm a huge fan of speutering all shelter animals.

    I'm the biggest fan, though, of speutering through education rather than cult-like beliefs. Like others, when I share my life with dogs, I have to worry about their needs.....and as selfish as it may sound I'm not about to sacrifice their health/needs because of some unforeseen "greater good". I'm a supporter of making educated decisions......

    I think this article is very important in terms of the future of the health of our pets. I think the future of our pets will change drastically from "remove all sex organs!!!!" to "prevent pregnancy while leaving important organs intact". I think we need to keep in mind the unwanted production of puppies/kittens, but we also need to start acknowledging that speuter is not as benign as it was once thought. There are real, and sometimes dangerous, outcomes of speutering, and they shouldn't be ignored, just as the outcomes and risks of leaving animals intact shouldn't be ignored.

    My girls are spayed, my male is not neutered. I will likely never neuter him because at this point he is 6 years old and has not produced any unwanted puppies (granted, he has produced wanted puppies in a breeding program so it's important he remains intact at this time *G*). If I get another dog, it will not be speutered until at least 18 months of age, if I speuter at all.

    I think we did society a disservice, unfortunately, by pushing speutering-without-thought  instead of educating owners and the "benefits/risks/what to expects" of intact vs. speutered animals.  And I'm confident in this because all these years later, there are still unwanted, unplanned puppies - clearly speutering is not the answer and it didn't solve the big problem of pet populations, and it never will. So education is the key. And that starts with vets....and breeders.....and shelter staff (they may speuter all of their own dogs, but owners may have unspeutered ones at home)......

    But in the end, only the ones who care about pet populations are going to listen anyway. There is never going to be an "end" to unplanned litters, as long as there are domestic dogs. It's an unfortunate fact we need to realize is not just going to go away. So it's more important, IMO, to educate the caring owners with complete information, rather than only showing one side of the coin.

    Thanks for posting this article, it's definitely going to be a keeper for me and find itself in my health folder.

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    Liesje

    spiritdogs

    So, while this study is a good argument for keeping a bitch intact if ALL you are interested in is longevity, I doubt if doing so is in the best interest of all dogs. 

     

    Well, no offense but I have my own dogs for myself and my reasons, not for anyone else or their dogs.  I will carefully weigh medical decisions taking into account each individual dog and what is recommended by the breeder, orthopedic specialist, and vets.

     

    No offense taken, and I do the same, however we are not average dog owners. 

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    spiritdogs

    Liesje

    spiritdogs

    So, while this study is a good argument for keeping a bitch intact if ALL you are interested in is longevity, I doubt if doing so is in the best interest of all dogs. 

     

    Well, no offense but I have my own dogs for myself and my reasons, not for anyone else or their dogs.  I will carefully weigh medical decisions taking into account each individual dog and what is recommended by the breeder, orthopedic specialist, and vets.

     

    No offense taken, and I do the same, however we are not average dog owners. 

    Yes, there are a lot of people out there who are less informed than most people here, but I think that is slowly changing.  You two may not be "average" dog owners (one heavily involved in sports and maybe breeding and the other a qualified trainer with a lot of experience) but I think *I* am a fairly average dog owner, and I have an intact female.  A while ago, we had a couple of Houdini incidents and I came *THIS CLOSE* to getting her spayed....  It was a decision we agonised over before deciding on improving the fences and providing more supervision. To this day, my altered dog is the one more likely to escape if we were not careful enough, and frankly I worry more about him causing an accident and someone potentially being killed than I do about a litter of unplanned puppies.

    I liked the article, I am pleased Agile posted it and I agree whole heartedly with Agile's and Kim's sentiments.  I am very glad this is being talked about.  I recall a time not too long ago when I tried to raise this issue and I felt thoroughly in the majority on this one.... now, maybe not so much.

    Speutering does not a good owner make....  Sure, it prevents unwanted pups, but it's not the only way to do that AND it doesn't protect the dog from people, dogs, wildlife, traffic etc that may do him/her harm if he is not properly Trained and Contained.  Dogs NEED to be T&C whether they are speutered or not.... An altered dog who is killed in an RTA is just as dead as if he were intact.  I wish that T&C had been touted for responsible ownership the way S/N has been all this time!  I honestly think it would have been more effective and it is far more an important part of responsible dog ownership IMO.

    Neutering has it's place and I think it is suitable in some situations, but I strongly believe it should be decided case by case rather than as a blanket solution.

    I am quite disappointed in the neuter crusade really.... it's been used as a "band aid" solution to irresponsible ownership, which is ridiculous.  If you are responsible you will keep your dog from wandering, being a nuisance and creating puppies - whether or not they are s/n.  If you are not responsible and unprepared to do that, then I would argue that person would be better off dissauded from dog ownership, rather than persuaded to s/n.  As it is, I suspect an unforseen side effect of the SN crusade is that "oops litters" are generally being born to the dogs owned by irresponsible people, rather than serious, caring and halfway-savvy people.

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    Kim_MacMillan
    I'm a huge fan of speutering all shelter animals.

    I'm the biggest fan, though, of speutering through education rather than cult-like beliefs. Like others, when I share my life with dogs, I have to worry about their needs.....and as selfish as it may sound I'm not about to sacrifice their health/needs because of some unforeseen "greater good". I'm a supporter of making educated decisions......

    agree 100%

    i also agree that its not female dogs getting pregnant all by themselves. however i will admit i prefer a spayed female an unspayed because of the mess involved....... intact males dont bother me as much as intact females. i can curb my male from peeing everything but the female cant help it if she's slinging blood all over the house. and some dogs just arent meant to wear diapers. a friends dog kept chewing hers off. but thankfully she only had to wear it until the heat cycle ended and she could get her to the vet.

     

    i'm afraid this article might be a set back. someone is only going to read part of it or over hear it and ONLY hear "intact dogs live longer! i aint getting my dog fixed! money saved, dog lives longer, woohoo!" 

    it will be akin to "letting a female have puppies before she's spayed ensures she wont get fat" or "maybe she'll settle down once she has a litter"  i think this could quickly become an urban myth if we're not careful. it seems the majority of people who own dogs take their advice from one extremist to another. we used to have a neighbour who I SWEAR would crane her neck and bend over to see if our boy dogs were intact when she would walk past our house. granted we only had one male dog and no intact females, but every time this woman stopped to talk the topic would always turn towards getting him neutered. it was a complicated situation and he wasnt technically MY dog so i wasnt going to get him cut without the owners permission! but this woman did NOT care!

    and then i've known dozens of other people who went the opposite way in regards to spay or neuter... some believe a male dog isnt "MALE" enough if he's cut too soon or at all. and again you have people who believe a female will be slim and trim and well settled if she has her litter of pups. 

    and the people who dont really care, who say its just a dog, WILL let one of those two camps convince them of what they should do instead of learning the fact for themselves... 

     

     

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    DumDog
    i'm afraid this article might be a set back. someone is only going to read part of it or over hear it and ONLY hear "intact dogs live longer! i aint getting my dog fixed! money saved, dog lives longer, woohoo!" 

    it will be akin to "letting a female have puppies before she's spayed ensures she wont get fat" or "maybe she'll settle down once she has a litter"  i think this could quickly become an urban myth if we're not careful.

     

      Kinda like dogs being "happier and healthier" when they are altered?

    DumDog
     and then i've known dozens of other people who went the opposite way in regards to spay or neuter... some believe a male dog isnt "MALE" enough if he's cut too soon or at all. and again you have people who believe a female will be slim and trim and well settled if she has her litter of pups. 

     Well early neutered males don't develop the same as males who grow up with their parts, that isn't an extreme view but just part of the fact of the matter.  

    DumDog
    and the people who dont really care, who say its just a dog, WILL let one of those two camps convince them of what they should do instead of learning the fact for themselves... 

     Actually those who don't care are going to do what they are going to do, regardless of what anyone tells them (and they sure aren't going to be reading articles about it).

    Chuffy
    Speutering does not a good owner make....  Sure, it prevents unwanted pups, but it's not the only way to do that AND it doesn't protect the dog from people, dogs, wildlife, traffic etc that may do him/her harm if he is not properly Trained and Contained.  Dogs NEED to be T&C whether they are speutered or not.... An altered dog who is killed in an RTA is just as dead as if he were intact.  I wish that T&C had been touted for responsible ownership the way S/N has been all this time!  I honestly think it would have been more effective and it is far more an important part of responsible dog ownership IMO.

     ITA. Unfortunately the Spay-Neuter campaign was never really about helping people be better owners or reducing the pet population. It has always been about the Animal Rights movement and part of their agenda is to see that all pets are S/N. They got pretty far with their S/N campaigns in brainwashing the public to think that it really is the only responsible way and that dogs really are "happier and healthier" when altered. But they didn't get far enough, which has now led us to mandatory S/N laws. If it was really about helping educate people to be better owners, we'd have seen an equal push in training, proper care and confinement. Perhaps we need to start a new movement that promotes T&C :)

     

    • Gold Top Dog

     Girls also don't develop the same, if they're altered early. I have a client who's little girl dog is facing surgery for chronic infections around her vulva. She was spayed VERY early, and has a very undeveloped vulva. Girls who are spayed later, and have time to develp, often self correct on "too much tuck". They look different, too. I have a very, very doggy bitch who was spayed at 8 weeks. She was never allowed to develop any secondary sex characteristics.

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    DumDog
    i can curb my male from peeing everything but the female cant help it if she's slinging blood all over the house.

     

    We have an intact female and ne of the first signs we get that she is "on" is that she licks herself cnstantly.... she keeps herself extremely clean.  There has been NO spots anywhere in the house, not even on her bed as far as I can make out.... altho alot of her blankets are red tartan, so it might be that she spots a little in her sleep and it doesn't show.

    In any case, I thought you could get "b*tches britches" for spotting?  If spotting were a concern with Dell - and the only concern - I would go with something like this, because I couldn't justify major invasive surgery JUST for this reason.