Maze's adventure at the vet. Not good news....

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     Thanks Amanda.  When I get some sleep, I'll be in a better mind frame.  My training partner and I have a training plan put together for Maze. Kinda.. We have an idea. Lol

    I'll look into those supplements. It may have to wait a bit since I'm broke until next check day on August 25th.. But I will make sure I pick them up for her.

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    Hi -- I've had more than one dog with heart problems/issues.  Socks' problems were MASSIVE and she still lived a happy, very awesome quality of life WAY beyond what anyone expected.  When she came to us she was 10 and massively heartworm positive -- even after we treated it (and it was SO bad she couldn't be treated normally -- so I had to do the long, slow method.).  But even after treatment her heart was *massively* enlarged -- she was about Maze's size but her heart was bigger than a big man's two fists together.

    We did hawthorn (and that's the first thing to try -- that and the Co-Q-10).  We also did feurosemide and other things as necessary.

    When we took her they essentially asked me to give her a corner in my kitchen -- she had "a month at most". 

    She lived SIX AND A HALF YEARS.  She developed into an awesome pet therapy dog.  She went thru "basic obedience" again at the age of 15 1/2 and got her CGC and because a completely certified therapy dog. 

    She played.  She loved her ball.  We just learned not to play *too hard*.  Yep, I stopped her before she wanted to ... but she trusted my judgment.  She learned there were other joys and pleasures in life!!  She truly did. 

    Socks would have told you that you don't judge life by how much of what you've always liked to do you *can* do.  Nope -- you learn to value life by this moment -- you learn new things and you learn to GROW.

    this was a horribly abused dog -- one who was so terrified of the bathroom when she came to us that she would dissolve in a shuddering puddle if she had to set foot in there. 

    She overcame that and MANY other things.  She wasn't by nature an overcomer -- when she came to us she was beaten down and ready to die.  She had more joy in her last 6 1/2 years than I think she did in the first 10.  She learned to love what she COULD do.  And she discovered a depth that was incredible.

    Ohhh, and I nearly forgot (and Ms. Socks would be SOO disgusted with me if I forgot this!!) -- she did NOT die of anything heart related.  Not at all.  She had cancer (and lived several years with it just on a cancer diet).  Ultimately it became painful for her and when she was "done" she told me so and we helped her over The Bridge. 

    Billy's heart was damaged by the IMHA drugs.  Not hugely -- but the week after he came off the drugs he suddenly  had a grade 4+ murmur.    My vet told me just today and he really didn't think Billy could get thru it.    But he obviously has.

    He has -- we've supplemented and given him hawthorne and Co-Q-10 and at this point he doesn't even need pharmaceuticals. 

    Don't rush into an ultrasound (a/k/a an echocardiogram) -- it's a nice test to have but NOT always necessary at all.  Billy gets an EKG done at my regular vet's about every 6-9 months and x-rays periodically to check to see if any part of the heart has enlarged. further. 

    Now .. if anything ever comes up as a real problem or he starts showing bigger symptoms or "changed" ones THEN we'll worry about an echo. 

    I do supplement Billy with both taurine and L-Carnitine.   Heavier on the taurine than is normal -- but Billy seems to do better with the heavier supplementation. 

    His murmur is still at a grade 3 -- but not worsening. 

    Now -- I've always given hawthorne in caps -- reading above that she's using it without the capsules THAT IS GOOD NEWS.  Leaves and Roots (and they aren't the only ones) sell it in bulk and it's WAY cheaper. 

    Don't forget -- in the past Maze has been a YOUNG dog.  She's also been trying to keep up with a puppy.  She's not super young.  She's "mature" ... so don't make her feel she *has* to keep up with a puppy.

    don't focus on what she can't do.  Instead -- give her a new focus.  Why not try something like elementary tracking with her.  Let her do something *different* -- just show her new things.  The world does not *have* to revolve around running -- just like humans, they can learn new interests.  Mostly they just don't want to be bored.

    If you show her new things in life and **YOU** are a part of them, she'll be fine with it. 

    Socks never started out to be a therapy dog.  In fact, at first she wasn't sure she enjoyed it ... she was actually *shy* for a dog.  Not fearful but ... hated to be the center of attention.  (HATED it)  But ... suddenly she found how good it feels to have someone not just pet you but **need** you.  And she got really hooked on it.

    Socks totally enjoyed Give Kids the World ... But her biggest love -- her **passion** was for elderly people.

    Because of the feurosemide Socks "leaked" so she wore bitches britches with continence pads in them.  She wore a t-shirt ALL the time because it helped reduce the cough. 

    The folks at the nursing home thot she was their hero.  "Hey -- that dog wears diapers just like WE do!!"

    Then this is SIX YEARS later -- I want you to see this shot so you can see -- yep, a dog in a t-shirt and "jeans" -- but she doesn't exactly look unhappy??  She LOVED this woman ..

     

    This last one -- I just want you to see the look of supreme contentment on her face -- qualify of life?/ You betcha!!  Socks came to this very late in life but I'm pretty sure if you ask her when you get to Rainbow Bridge she'd tell you this was the BEST Earth had to offer!!

    Same day -- just her "turn" to get petted:

    Life hands us crud sometimes ... but don't let it throw you.  Don't for a minute think that Maze without her usual "running" is going to be "less".  It's just as life IS.  You learn to deal ... you learn to look **deeper**.  You find what unique things THIS dog is good at ... even if it's not readily apparent at first. 

    The old saying "If life hands you lemons ... make lemonade" -- I live by it.

    but then ... there's also .... lemon pie ... lemon chicken ... lemon struesle ... lemon italian ice ....
    (I gotta stop now before drool shorts out my keyboard!)

    • Gold Top Dog

     Callie.. You made me cry..I was trying to avoid that all night. Lol. I know it's not the end of her life but it is a shock realizing that my once active dog can't keep up with me.

    We do tracking, and she does enjoy it.  As well as we're gonna work harder to complete her CGC and therapy certificate.

    I'm waiting on the tests until October cuz I just can't afford it right now but I do want it done some time.  I will do EVERYTHING in my power to make sure Maze has the quality of life she deserves.

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    BEVOLASVEGAS
    Fish Oil daily  (1000mg per 10lbs)

     

      I thought the usual recommended amount of fish oil was 50 to 100mg per kilogram of body weight and more than that may cause problems with the blood clotting?  But, that's for healthy dogs.

    BEVOLASVEGAS
    In addition to supplements, they eat 8oz of beef heart daily. 

     

      I bought some beef heart today and simmered it for Jessie ( I don't give her raw meat because of her pancreatitis). She doesn't have heart problems, but she'll be twelve soon and it seems like a good thing to add to her diet. She loves it!!!

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    jessies_mom
    I bought some beef heart today and simmered it for Jessie ( I don't give her raw meat because of her pancreatitis).

    I am sure that the heart is still good for Jessie, but cooking it does destroy the taurine. 

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    janet_rose

     

    I am sure that the heart is still good for Jessie, but cooking it does destroy the taurine.

     

     Are you sure? Maybe I'll ask on K9 Kitchen.  Anyway, beef heart has about the same amount of protein, calories, and fat as the turkey I've been supplementing her diet with, and she'll enjoy the change.

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     I had to convince Maze this afternoon that the heart was edible.. Lol. Sandy had to show her what to do. We'll see how she does with it tomorrow.

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     Good luck; I hope she learns to like it.

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    jessies_mom

    janet_rose

     

    I am sure that the heart is still good for Jessie, but cooking it does destroy the taurine.

     

     Are you sure? Maybe I'll ask on K9 Kitchen.

    Hmmm, I always thought the same.  Now you got me wondering.

    How's Maze been doing?  You've got good vibes coming from me for a smooth sail ahead.

    (((HUGS)))

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     I posted on K9 Kitchen and here's Monica's reply;

    No, but it lowers the content. But that doesn't meant someone should
    bank on taurine from raw either. Cooking is one issue, and freezing is
    another.

      She also posted 2 links in which studies had been done to determine the amount of taurine in various animal tissues, as well as plant sources, and how various methods of cooking affected the amount of taurine in them. Boiling, which is how I prepared the beef heart, reduces the amount of taurine the most, while baking or frying preserve more of it. I boil Jessie's meat to reduce the fat content, and have asked Monica if it would be okay to bake the heart. Even if it needs to be boiled for her, I'll still cook it in the future because it's a nice change from the turkey. I have to use lean meats and she's allergic to fish and chicken, so options are limited.

     Here's the links in case anyone's interested. The first one is the best, having a table that lists the taurine content of various muscle and organ meats;

    http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/vmb/aal/pdfs/spitze.pdf

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T9G-49W2NS4-1&_user=10&_coverDate=03%2F31%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1419308015&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=2512c23d35ddf83d2e68603d66dc5be2

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    Johnny&Tessy

    How's Maze been doing?  You've got good vibes coming from me for a smooth sail ahead.

    (((HUGS)))

     

    Maze is doing good. No coughing the past couple days and she realizes that she doesn't have to keep up with Sandy. I think having a puppy here last week made her think that she had to keep up with him. Which was sooo not happening. I couldn't even keep up with him! Lol

    Thanks for the hugs and support everyone!

    I've got a thread I'm gonna start in General because I just have to share this..

    Johnny, how's Sadie doing?

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    oranges81
    Maze is doing good. No coughing the past couple days and she realizes that she doesn't have to keep up with Sandy.

     

     That's good news! I'll keep her in my thoughts.

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    jessies_mom
    That's good news! I'll keep her in my thoughts.
     

    Ditto!