Horrible sadness

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    • Gold Top Dog

    Horrible sadness

    This could very well be my last post on here. As some of you know I have 2 Dalmatians and a 5 month old German Shepherd dog along with 3 cats.
     
    About a month ago we rescued a little kitten from downtown. He was running around, appearing to have been dumped on a busy street in the middle of the city. I got in contact with a local rescue group and they set a trap up for him, within 10 minutes the cat was in the trap. I was told the rescue didnt have any room and the cat was now in my care. We thought he might be feral or part feral but after a week of hissing at me, he started to let me pet him. He became the sweetest cat. I got him neutered, up to date on shots, exc. When I got home he would sit in my lap and always loved to be petted. He, however hated to be picked up. He never really got a name for sure, I called him Spencer but was about to change it because it just didnt fit. I was supposed to be fostering him but had already told the rescue that he was staying.
     
    My cats (especially the two little ones, Spencer & Roxy) I take very careful care of to keep inside. Somehow on Monday, something happened and I am assuming Weston pryed the plastic part of the window unit away from the window unit (or maybe Spencer did), and Spencer got out. Here is where I really dont know what happened but can only rely on what the neighbor said.
     
    I got home Monday afternoon and realized the kitten was gone. I stood outside and called him and put food out, I emailed the lady who helped me trap him and got some good suggestions from her on what to do. No sign of him at all. Then yesterday, Stephen took off of work early. Our neighbor knocked on the door to tell stephen my epileptic dog, Weston had had a seizure. He also said that he thought the dogs had "bagged" them a kitten. He said Marley was running around the yard in circles (as she does) and that she was carrying something "dark & limp". The thing is that it seems like he would have known for sure it was a kitten. We looked all yesterday afternoon to try to find the poor body of this kitten.
     
    We cant for sure say that my dogs killed my kitten, but I dont think the neighbor would say something like that if he wasnt sure. My heart is absolutly broken.
     
    But on top of that I absolutly despise the dogs. I know it isnt their fault, it is instinct but I do find myself actually hating my own dogs. I feel bad and know that if my dogs had been inside none of this would have happened but it was a nice day and I knew they would rather be inside rather than locked in cages. I would have never expected my dogs to kill any cat but I guess if the cat started running they probably ganged up on him. We have not been able to find the body (unless Stephen found it before I got home and wont tell me, he says he looked but couldnt find it), I didnt find any blood or bones, but I have not seen the kitten.
     
    I am seriously considering fostering the dogs I offered to foster then getting out of rescue as well. I have thought about rehoming my dogs. Again I know it is just instinct but if I have to force myself to spend time with them, what kind of life is that? I am sorry to have to post this here, I really want to tell the cat rescue who I was fostering for to see if they had any advice but I feel horrible about it and I am afraid they would all hate me for it.
     
    I keep hoping the little kitty will show back up. I still plan on putting up flyers for him & have still been leaving food out.
     
    I remember some lady posted on here about her cat & how her dogs had killed it and how she couldnt "forgive" the dog. I thought "what an irresponsible person, that should have never happened". I understand exactly how she feels now and I know I will never feel the same love for my dogs as I once did.
     
    I feel horrible about the entire thing, but it was an accident. I dont even know the kitten is dead but I dont see why the neighbor would say something like that on the day that the kitten went missing. The dogs do have rope toys that might be seen as a cat but I really doubt he could get them confused in broad daylight. As for the dogs, I dont know what I am going to do. I really dont see myself ever loving them again.
     
    RIP little Spencer. I am very sorry that you had to suffer such a horrific and frightening death. You will be greatly missed by myself & by Roxy. You were a very good boy and we will never forget you and the light you brought into our lives even though your stay was too short. I am sorry buddy I wish I had protected you better.
    • Gold Top Dog
    As for the dogs, I dont know what I am going to do. I really dont see myself ever loving them again.
    feel horrible about the entire thing, but it was an accident]
     
    That is the whole key here.... an accident. This should NOT stop you from loving your dogs like you used too. They were in the moment and acting on instinct, probably not intending to harm the little one but they did. It just means you have to watch them around small animals and cats is all. Get over the hurt, and forgive them for what happened. The kitten was not part of the pack as of yet being so new to the family so they didn't regard the new comer as part of the pack.
    I know it is hard to deal with something like this. I have delt with something like this similar, I have walked in your shoes. But you move on and try your best not to let it happen again.
    I even get upset at them when they chase squirrels, and one time they caught one, killed it. I hand raise them and they are a part of me not my pack. Accidents happen honey. Grieve and try to move on. Forgive them. They love you.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I don't know what to say to comfort you.  It was an accident, so please try to forgive yourself as well as your dogs.  Perhaps you just need a break, some time for *you*.
     
    {{{hugs}}}
    • Gold Top Dog
    I am SO sorry about this.  I can well imagine how conflicted you feel and how deeply you are grieving.  I only want to say you should give yourself some time before making decisions about your dogs. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Oh hon.  What a difficult time for you.  But, you don't even know that the kitten is actually dead, OR that the dogs had any part in it.  Your neighbor could have easily mistaken a toy for a small body....broad daylight or not.  And IF the dogs did hurt the kitten, it WAS just instinct.
     
    Nothing that you love about your dogs has really changed.....they've simply MAYBE reminded you that they are dogs.  Give yourself some time to recover, to process and to grieve before you make any decisions.
     
    I'm sorry you're having to deal with this.....sending HUGS your way.  And prayers for the kitty to turn up safe and unharmed.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Sorry I meant to thank you all as well.
     
    And Glenda I hope too that he turns up but it is very doubtful. I know the dogs have killed rabbits in the past and a kitten, well I dont think they could tell there was a difference.
     
    I know it was an accident and I know that the dogs were relying on instinct but it still doesnt help.

    My heart breaks because the little kitty relied on me to protect him. He was the sweetest kitten & I was so angry and upset with the person who adopted him. I keep thinking maybe it would have been better to leave him on the streets. I remember the rescuer who helped me trap him told me that I saved his life that he would have died had I not rescued him but he died anyway. And in a horrific manner. I cant imagine how scared the little guy must have been. I searched the dogs and didnt find a single claw mark or bite.

    It also breaks because I have been involved in rescue and I would be so angry with a person like me, who doesnt care about her dogs because they killed a kitten. I would have said "they are dogs, it was an accident". But truly, when I saw the dogs this morning I felt nothing toward them. Maybe it will go away maybe it wont. You can think rationally but still that doesnt mean your feelings are rational.

    I know they are dogs and that they didnt do it "on purpose", but none of this comforts me. I know that the two dalmatians couldnt find a new home because one is epileptic the other is deaf and would need someone who understood her.

    I know it isnt their fault but that doesnt bring the cat back or help my heart at all.
    • Gold Top Dog
    It was an accident.  Kittens are so fragile that even a friendly bite could kill them.  My new rescue discovered a rabbit nest and I heard screaming and he had one in his mouth dead.  I was upset and buryed the little guy and walked the dog on the leash for a while.  The rabbits were gone one day, but what from I don't know (not my dog) and I suspect the worst (killed by an animal) .   My point is he is a dog and was so excited to have discovered this nest.  It was an accident.  
     
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    I am so sorry!  You are really hurting now and that affects your thoughts and emotions.  Please don't be so hard on yourself. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Oh gosh, I hope this will not be your last post.  Your heart is in the right place...no bashing from me.

    We had a similar incident, except I have no idea where the kittens came from or if they belonged to anyone or how they got there, but my back patio was not the place for them to be.  Some dogs have a high prey drive...that's what they were bred to do.  I know you love your dogs, and it will take time to get over it, and you will.  Sending hugs...
    • Gold Top Dog
    Is it possible that something else killed the kitten and the dog found it and was carrying it around? 
     
    Regardless of who the culprit is, I feel so bad for you.  {{{{Hugs}}}}}
    • Gold Top Dog
    My heart breaks for you -- and honestly, altho this is VERY difficult and absolutely shattering for you - if you try and continue to work your own way through it, I think you will find not only that you get 'past' this but also that you will arrive at a better relationship with animals generally.
     
    I say this from the deepest personal experience -- I tend to bond extremely closely with my dogs, and unfortunately FOR ME (and again, I'm emphasizing this is my own *personal* experience -- absolutely no criticism of you intended in any way) - that bonding tends to elevate the dogs to a position of near humanity for me. 
     
    But you know what?  That's NOT good -- because a dog IS ... absolutely, positively IS IS IS IS IS ***IS*** a dog. 
     
    Do I say that to then say "so a dog isn't worth as much as a human" No.
    Do I say that to then say "So I'm not going to spend extra money on them but rather spend it on the humans because they are JUST dogs"  NO.
     
    I say that for one reason, and one reason only .... It is actually unfair to them to forget that they ARE dogs. 
     
    They have sometimes very different health issues.  Can I treat a dog like a dog?  No.  Billy has to have Atopica (a dog brand of cyclosporine) because the human version DOES NOT WORK WELL for ***dogs***.  It's every bit as expensive ... in fact, the dog stuff is a bit more.  But it is ... somehow (and they don't really even know HOW other than how it absorbs into the body) different.
     
    Different.  Not bad, worse, better or any other adjective.  **Different**.
     
    They DO think different.  They are a different species.  Even different breeds think differerent.
     
    But when I consider them 'human' or 'almost human' I realized although I may be trying to bond more closely with them, or take better care of them ... there's a line there I have to be careful of.  Because there comes a point where I absolutely, positively, MUST accept (and lordy, this IS tough) that they are d-o-g-s.  Not human.
     
    I'll sleep with my dog.  Give my dog my spoon.  Give my dog my last dollar.  Just this morning I wrote checks to the tune of over $900 for kennelling and blood tests and Atopica -- kennelling for two for a week was almost $300, kennelling for Billy (in my vet's HOME because of his special needs) was $140 plus tests I had them run.  So don't think I'm being cheap.
     
    My personal experience came about 2 years ago -- my old guy, who ADORED me, was simply being hard to get along with.  I was in the bathroom and I picked him up because he was getting freakish about settling down.  I was simply moving him out of a situation and getting his attention. 
     
    But this was a dog who occasionally could feel 'trapped' and he would literally turn wild.  It had been YEARS since he'd exhibited this.  I picked him up and moved him and in a blink of an eye he felt cornered and turned on me.  He nailed me right in the face, tore my nostril open and went thru my lip and tore that -- all in blink.
     
    Mad?  You better know I was.  He was being a putz to begin with, but he got mad and I was mad and I got the worst of it.  He lashed out literally in response to an old emotional 'wound' and it was over in a blink of an eye.
     
    But honestly I was mad.  He knew better -- he knew better than to be balky at what I had asked him to do.  I hadn't seen this kind of 'temper' from him in years. 
     
    And flatly?  HE HURT ME.  He left two really sizeable scars on my face and he left me emotionally battered at a time when I was already having a hard time. 
     
    Part of that is the key -- I wasn't thinking and neither was he.  By all rights he shouldn't have nailed me ... BUT ... I forgot for a split second that he's a dog ... and not only that he was a dog with a 'history'.  I punched all HIS dog buttons and I got bit, and bit hard.  Yes, it drew blood -- it was a nasty bite.  But it was 100000000% MY FAULT.
     
    I knew all that in my head.  I KNEW I was a fault.  I KNEW he didn't 'mean' to bite me.  But you know what? 
     
    I could NOT forgive him.  I didn't want to touch him, I didn't want to feed him, I didn't want to be around him.  Not just for a day -- but for a LOT of days.  It took me months to get my love back for him. 
     
    It was actually completely MY fault.  But I felt so shattered and so betrayed -- my emotions were all out a whack and I KNEW it. 
     
    But now as I look back on it it reinforces to me -- a dog thinks different.  And we do them a complete disservice if we forget that.  When we think "Oh my dog wouldn't do that -- he's a nice dog and wouldn't hurt anything" -- we're being dumb.  We're doing them an enormous disservice because we are taking their own species=specific personality away from them.  We're saying 'No, I love you so you can't be 'you' any more -- you have to be a person in fur'. 
     
    That's just plain wrong.  We have to love them for what they truly ARE.   We have to back up to that point where we say "*I* did something stupid.  I cornered Foxy when he was emotionally fragile and *I* was emotionally fragile and I pushed HIM too far -- and then, to compound stupidity -- *I* felt betrayed simply because he WAS a dog.  I'm the one who punched HIS buttons and then I held it against him when he reacted exactly like a dog should have.
     
    I *think* you will find if you go back and truly examine what you could have done to have 'prevented' the situation -- you will find it will change things minorly.  Enough so that you can forgive yourself and THEN forgive them.
     
    When we leave them loose -- maybe they do have more fun.  BUT we also set them up to act in a manner according to their nature ... and just *maybe* WE can't handle the repercussions of that.  Because either they will get into something, dig/destroy something, or hurt a creature (or get hurt themselves) simply because a dog is gonna do a doggie thing.  Put him in a situation where the odds are stacked against him -- and he's gonna do that inate thing.
     
    Maybe they killed the kitten -- and maybe they didn't.  If a CAT kills an animal it will bring it home proudly as a trophy.  A dog usually won't.  The dog may actually have found the kitten injured -- and was trying to find you.  I have a feeling another predator killed the kitten and may actually have come back and gotten it. 
     
    IF it is dead at all.  A feral cat will revert to being feral in a heartbeat -- and yeah, maybe there was some chasing going on -- and maybe the cat ran away.  But usually?  A feral cat will fight a dog and since YOU found no scratches ... on either dog ... I'd tend to think there wasn't a fight. 
     
    If a dog killed an animal, it would likely fight another predator who tried to 'take' it.  So I have a feeling you'd have found the kitten. 
     
    Unfortunately, in your grief you've found an easy target, and I'm not convinced it's what it may look like.  Another thought that occurs to me is that your neighbor probably doesn't like cats -- "bagged" isn't a word *I* would use to tell a neighbor something like that.  I'm not sure I'd believe that story as it came out.
     
    I honestly think there's lots of room for doubt here, along with a healthy dose of "I'll never put my dogs in THAT position again". 
     
    I had to learn the hard way -- and yeah, maybe I'm over-cautious when I leave my dogs because I don't leave them room TO get in trouble.  Maybe they don't have as much 'fun' -- but by golly, I want to come home and find them in one piece and I want to be 'glad' to see them, I don't want any reunion tainted by "what'd you do THAT for!!!" screams. 
     
    Yes, it's possible they did an awful thing -- but it's awful to US.  To them it would be instinctive and inate. 
     
    YOU simply need a lot of time.  time to heal and time to deal ... time to think your own way through it and come to some conclusions.  Time to examine other areas of your life and figure out if you need to change some small things.  Time to even examine how you react to others who turn in animals. 
     
    Compassion is sometimes easier to have for animals than for other humans or for ourselves.  It's SO easy to say "no, I'd never do that".  But bottom line -- I don't care whether it's a human or an animal -- if you put ANY being in a no-win situation, or if you push any person or any animal hard enough -- they'll react wrongly and badly.  And it's not really that animal or person's fault.  We simply have to walk away wiser -- maybe sadder ... but wiser.
     
    I hope this helped.  Like I said, this one was personal -- Foxy and I did re-bond but it took a LONG time.  And it was ME who had to change.  And frankly -- that was incredibly difficult.  But I can say honestly ... 2+ years later ... I'm better for it.  Maybe not as innocent or naive -- but better.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well said Callie.
     
    I have a lingering doubt myself, where is the body of the kitten?  Just as I found my dog with the rabbit, I would think the kitten body would have been there.  A well fed dog won;t eat a kitten.  It makes more sense to me, that "if" something got it,,,it was not your dog. 
     
    And yes, the small time he was with you, was way better than living on the street.
    • Gold Top Dog
    My heart breaks because the little kitty relied on me to protect him.

     
    So do your dogs.  And this may sound very very childish but I dont know how to get my point across in another way.  You *should* love your dogs more than the kitten because you had them longer.  Okay okay... now what I mean is... that bond should be stronger than that. 
     
    I know you feel shocked at the situation but seriously its got nothing to do with them IMO.  You dont even know if they did anything wrong or not and are thinking this way.  I dont want to bash, I know your going through a lot... but give your dogs the love and devotion they deserve.  They love you, they depend on you, they need you.  It would be terribly hurtful to them to feel that theyve lost the trust and love of their leader, their mom.
     
    The situation was a freak accident in which ALL involved did something species specific and it turned out bad.  You cant control the world unfortunatly and I found that out in a bad way with Kayla.  The cats got out.  They shouldnt have done that, but they did.  Cats get into things and cause mischief.  The dogs *may* have killed it when it got out.  But anyhow, your not even sure of that fact. 
     
    I agree with everyone that you should take some time... no one is to blame here.  Dont look to the dogs for a place to place blame for it, or to yourself... or to the cat... none of it is fair.  Things happen.
     
    Hugs to you and I hope you find comfort with it all. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    awwwww Im sorry you feel that way, but your dogs are innocent until PROVEN guilty. And at this time they are not.just my thought.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I am feeling a little better today.
     
    I talked to the rescue who I am fostering the cat for and they told me that it is horribly sad but it has happened to many of the volunteers with their group.
     
    She was extremly pessemistic but said I should post flyers up. I have faith that he is not dead and I beg of you all to send any good vibes you can my way. I would be the absolute happiest person in the world if Spencer was found. I have posted an ad in the paper and am going to put up flyers as soon as we can get the pictures off of the camera onto the computer (which will hopefully at least be before Monday!).
     
    I have talked to a couple of the other neighbors and they said they would keep an eye out for him. I believe if he is alive he is probably very far away.
     
    I am still extremly angry with my dogs. I know they are "innocent until proven guilty" and I shouldnt be but it seems to me the neighbor wouldnt have said something had he not known for sure. I am trying to get over this but it is very hard to. I just wish I could think he is still alive so everything could return to normal.
     
    I am going to talk to our shelter manager today and have him also keep an eye out for this cat. They dont trap a lot of cats but who knows? I think they will probably call him feral since he is skittish so I want to be sure the manager knows he is a tame cat and belongs to someone. (they almost immediatly euthanize feral cats) Hopefully I will have a picture to hand him.
     
    Thank you all for your support and I will keep you updated.