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DPU,
 I'll have to review the "goals" before I'll comment on them. I'll tell you now before doing that though, if they keep things on a level playing field then they'll probably stay. The training/behavior as well as nutrician have always been areas that get heated fast and we'll address that moving forward as well.
 

ORIGINAL: amstaffy

Dawn
You've been around and seen the way I work. All of the moderators now have the guidelines as they were presented when I started adding moderators. I am confident that they will work on those guidelines. Working to keep order on the forum does ot mean more rules or heavy handed moderating.
Of course, we've seen it in the past where personalities clash over strong opinions and that is where you'll see me stepping as in the past. I don't play favorites or hold grudges and I'm sure our moderators won't either. As we work forward we'll work together.

I won't say we'll whipe slates clean but everyone has an opportunity to start fresh moving forward. The only thing I've seen that needed attention really was a little SPAM this morning..

 
Fair enough!  Thank you Jaime and welcome back.

You're welcome and it's good to have the energy to be back []

My problem was fixed, a post is missing but I may have messed up when posting it. The note for the rule number 3 violation was right where my post had been (I thought) so I assumed it had been deleted.
 
 
When can we expect to see the new rules? 
 
Personally I think the only rules should be no vulgarity and no cursing and no outright insults to specific people. In other word someone should be able to say, "I think your methods are useless", but should not be able to say, "you are stupid!”
 
 If there cannot be open debate accross the board there should at least be somewhere within the board where one can debate and say anything with the exceptions of outright vulgarity or cursing or outright direct personal insults.
 
 Mind you I have pretty thick skin so not everyone will agree.

ORIGINAL: dgriego
If there cannot be open debate accross the board there should at least be somewhere within the board where one can debate and say anything with the exceptions of outright vulgarity or cursing or outright direct personal insults.

Some boards incorporate a "slugfest" forum where people with more harsh communication styles can freely exchange, "gloves-off" so-to-speak, as some of us love to do. There's still no direct attacks on other members allowed, but the moderation in that area is much lighter and the language is more free (no vulgarity) than the board at large. And if people are easily offended or don't want to go in the 'deep end', they can just avoid it.

Just a thought...

In other word someone should be able to say, "I think your methods are useless",

 
Shew!

ORIGINAL: dyan

In other word someone should be able to say, "I think your methods are useless",

Shew!

 
 
Many times you can read such insults between the lines of people's posts. I would much prefer they be able to just spit it out. I am tired of the politically correct world where I am protected from everything and everyone, and where we walk on eggshells lest we offend someone. How many quiet and calm and peacefully polite debates have you watched? I have seen none. I prefer honesty and have no desire for someone to be nicely rude and in the same token I do not like to have to be nicely rude. Yes blunt honesty is very politically incorrect nowadays but I am somewhat old fashioned. Say what you want to say. If I consider it rude I can tell you to go pound sand and move on.
 
  I am speaking of debating topics and not suggesting that you jump right in and take the head off of the first poor person who asks a question about how to correct a behavior or what food to feed.
 

 I am speaking of debating topics and not suggesting that you jump right in and take the head off of the first poor person who asks a question about how to correct a behavior or what food to feed.

 
I suppose I could agree with you if we are talking debate.  However...if someone asks for an opinon about a food for example.....or for some help about a behavior problem, and a poster gives their opinion or help..and someone else comes along and says "your idea is just useless" I'm sorry but thats just plain not right.   If you don't agree with their opinon...and have an opposite idea, for sure you should say "I don't agree because I think this or that." But to bluntly say that persons opinion or idea is useless is in my opinion trouble making and uncalled for and shouldn't be on a friendly dog message board.

I would much prefer they be able to just spit it out.

 
But, not everyone would so you need to be mindful of that when you post. 

ORIGINAL: willowchow

I would much prefer they be able to just spit it out.

But, not everyone would so you need to be mindful of that when you post. 

 
 I promise to not toss out my eggshells

Well this foum still participates in "nice" so that is what you'll have to keep in mind when you are constructing your posts. Debates are fine as long as you stick to the topic and method, whenyou act out or are "brutally honest" by telling someone "their method stinks" your basially talking to them in a rude manner. Now if you said, I don't like that method you are speaking of the method alone, nothing to do with the other member, get it?
 
There are always goingto be people who work away from the grain and thats why there are so many other forums out there that they can enjoy, this one isn't for everyone but will be maintained for the majority

As I recall from debate class, the key to a good and fair debate is the total lack of emotion.  Now, maybe it's just me, but, by golly, I have a hard time keeping emotion from the topics I am passionate about.
 
Attacking the issue and not the person is the key, and doing so without emotion.  Not sure many of us can do that.

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When it comes to exercising self control, why would we expect more from our dogs than ourselves?

ORIGINAL: Ixas_girl

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When it comes to exercising self control, why would we expect more from our dogs than ourselves?

Hopefully not to be taken the wrong way, but the key word in your statement is self which every individual defines the boundaries and will adjust as they interact with members.  We run in big problems and members scampering away when my control is exercised over others.

I was just reading this thread and felt now was the perfect time to say something about rules.In the General Chat forum,Iwas looking back and  thought I would help Liv out with her problemof having to get rid of her dog.If you read the whole thing,she indicates her husband or whatever bought a mobilehome without her signing anything and neither one finding out if you can have two dogs.That said,she said his mind is made up and they willget rid of her dog.She proceeds to say she is not happy with his decision and that none of her family or mother-in-law back her up and she feels totally helpless.Several people before me say she should have more say so in some matters.I agreed.and said it was her dog and she should do what she feels is right,not necessarily her husbands way.
                   Next thing I know,she comes back at me saying "she never said she hated her husband and was hurt how people called him down" and claiming I said these hateful things.In defense, I stated I never said hateful things about him and that she was the one complaining about him and her family.She claimed I;m trying to pick a fight with HER!I proceded to say she may not like things she hears in a forum,and now she is angry that she's not hearing what she wants to hear.     I then get Red Lined  from glenmar and look like a total jerk.I still wished Liv good luck and said that I was glad I was not in her position.            I feel this was very unfair that I could not defend myself when someone attacks me and Liv can accuse me of false statements. She went off subject, not I,by all of a sudden claiming Isaid she hated her husband.    Look back on this whole "good-bye"thread,and there is no where that I said she hates her husband.       I also was warned not to use capitals,as they interrpret yelling.I didn't know this--I answered an answer back to one of my questions in capitals because I was happy with the answer and wanted the person to see my answer back. Many times I send emails in capitals to my daughters and nome of them saw it as yelling Often, it was because I forgot to turn off the capital button and didn't realize it till later--it was no big deal.I feel you shouldn't have a forum if you can/t say what you feel--there is no need for vulgarity or name-calling, but because you don't hear what you want to hear,doesn't mean we should be reprimanded like we are little children!