Could this have anything to do with it?

A couple of points. Yes, the mods do have a tough job. But man, I've found that the members here are NOT afraid to tell somebody he was being inappropriate. Not at all. The fact, though, that some people are repeatedly blasted with red ink throughout a thread makes the threads become, as Ron said, odd. It's weird to see somebody redded out. It looks nonsensical.
 
DPU recently said that he was able to change his post AFTER a mod hit it. I don't think it happened that way, DPU. I think you offered a change and then did it on your own. And then a Mod came in. Either way--the members managed that one fine on their own.
 
When mods continually interrupt the natural flow of the thread, and the natural way members work together to balance the forum (as DPU pointed out this DOES, in fact, happen here), it causes an imbalance with ripple effects.
 
Before you jump in, mods, why not do as DPU suggested? Have a discussion among a larger group mods so the "jump ins" are consistent and meaningful. Let the members be the force behind this forum--since we all know that without members, there is no forum.

I can say that the method of watch and wait and warn and wait has just as much chance of resulting in 12 pages of dog piling on as it does "working it out".
 
I would put forth that certain sections need a different type of moderation than others given the fact that in certain sections it can be more than the same 6 people posting.

I think that you probably COULD change a post after a mod hits it.....if you don't mind an immediate suspension.  This was discussed somewhere....likely on the forum moderation thread.
 
When I see a thread that has major potential to go downhill in a hurry, I tend to post a gentle reminder.  To ME if I don't use red ink and just post a caution, that is NOT a warning.  Nor is it a warning when I pm or email someone who has posted something harsh, personally attacking or whatever and offer them the opportunity to change that post.  There are many here who will tell you that they went back and changed a post because I pointed out that it could cause problems.  Not that I demanded that they change it, because honestly, I'll email whether it is in "my" section or not, and I usually will say something to the affect that I understand their feelings/passion, but OTHERS may take it as XY or Z and it *could* cause problems.  99.9% of the time a change is quickly made.  It's that .1% of the time that I get back a basic SCREW you, that I go in and do the edit myself.
 
Often you guys don't KNOW what we've edited because we get there quickly enough to stop problems before they start.  But none of us edit because we like the power, like the control or like using the red ink.  And at least for myself, I don't edit because I don't *like* someone or like their position on something.  I have no friends or enemies when I moderate, and I'll send off a request to those I'm fond of, probably more quickly than anyone else.  And there are many folks here who can confirm that.
 
Unless it is a very fast downhill trip for a thread, I always try to offer the poster the opportunity to make a change themselves.  I think that most of us do as well.

And I understand that the mods have to stand up for one another. I have that thing going on at my job as well. I just think that to edit a couple of posters continually makes for an imbalanced thread. It's important to readers to hear WHY somebody doens't like a method--and to even read disdain.
 
Believe me--that's what they hear on the outside, when they pay a trainer. Why not know about this before spending money? Why not know that you're going to hear about how such-and-such method has this pitfall and this one method has that pitfall?
 
 
The Behavior Section has become imbalanced.

I will say very honestly that I am THRILLED that it's not my area anymore.  The CM section was not a welcoming place for ME anyway.  Yes, I'm primarily a +R "trainer", even tho I'm NOT a trainer, the methods I use with my own dogs are primarily positive.  The prong for Thor was not.  But, I honestly went into that area with an open mind willing to LEARN at the very least why folks are so devoted to him.  I was not made to feel very welcome.  And I'm not saying that the folks over there were breaking any rules, I'm just saying that for the most part they made it pretty clear that they did not want me there, especially as a moderator.  It felt like I was trying to crash an exclusive club with the wrong religion or skin color.  And honestly, that happened BEFORE I was a mod also.  That's why I stopped even reading in that area.
 
Again, I'm really GLAD that it's not my responsibility.  But if you honestly believe that the area is becoming unbalanced, you should address that with Personal Champ.  From experience I can say that it is NOT much fun being the mod under fire!  PM's or emails would have honestly been my preferred method of being skewered!  Not a public gallows.[]

I have no friends or enemies when I moderate, and I'll send off a request to those I'm fond of, probably more quickly than anyone else. And there are many folks here who can confirm that.

 
At the risk of being, as DPU would describe, innocently flirtatious, I think you approach modding as you do dog management, as a benevolent leader. Only as much "force" as needed and not even force, if a redirection will do.

I think that's a fair statement Ron.  One, many probably wouldn't agree with, but thats pretty much the way I approach life in general.

ORIGINAL: ron2

At the risk of being, as DPU would describe, innocently flirtatious...

Are you challenging me for the position of forum's harp king?  Where's that duke it out room?  []

I, for one, feel that Glenda's style of moderating is very adult, and not without considerable merit.  When she corresponds with me, I listen, and when Jaime would do so, I would accede to her wishes.  Why?  Because, folks, they were FAIR.  With the recent events, I have very much felt that the red ink had more to do with who I am and what I believe, than it does with the forum rules.  The red was flying so fast, I didn't even see it before I had racked it all up.  (No, I don't always read my PM's first, if I am busy posting).  I think that this mod carried over her dislike for my opinions into her mod job, and not accidentally.  Sorry, but that's how I perceive it.  And, the reason I never get red-inked by Glenda is not because we are tight on the forum, it's because she does not get her underpants in an uproar because someone disagrees or points out a flaw.  She gets angry when it gets personal, directed at another member.  And, to be honest, she has let go some of the crap that has been thrown at me, I believe, so that other forum members will not think there's a clicque of any kind, which there has not been.  JMHO, but this is feeling like junior high, and the best thing you guys could do is either remove the CM threads, or let members post opposing views there.  We don't throw anyone off the clicker threads for saying it didn't work for them - sure, we might explain how it could, or suggest that their technique was wrong, or why we still think it's the best method, but no one tells them they can't talk about another method.  That's just infantile, and not helpful for the transmission of legitimate knowledge.

I haven't felt that swell today and am taking time that I have not lately...to read some of the crap that is going on here.  I do not read the CM thread...I actually started to, to see what Anne is talking about, but its way too long and I don't feel like getting aggravated.  I have gotten aggravated enough on other threads the last few weeks. 
I just wanted to say that if I am understanding this correctly...one is NOT allowed to post opposing views on this thread. What kind of rule is that? Sure is will keep down arguments...I guess people that all agree to one thing  have no reason to argue..but it sure doesn't seem like a thread worth reading without more than one view.   It would keep the argements out of the nutrition thread also....and all of the others.  C.C. could talk about Abady and not have anyone say anything against it.  Don't understand that at all.   But I just want to say to you Anne,,,please hang in there.  Don't let this wipe out another helpful person that knows what they are talking about.    You have helped me with Bubblegum (sure wish you would help me again) and so many others. Of course not everyone agrees with you... that would not be good either. Please hang in there, don't let them kick you when your down.   Don't let Lillian and the other Idoggers that left be "right!"   This forum has changed...it has changed a lot. But its still worthwhile to be here...there is still a lot of people that need you Anne...they need many of us who have a specialty such as yours.
Dyan and Bubby

Dyan, I don't blame you for not wading through the thread, but in fairness to the Mod I would just like to point out that it did run for 18 (I think) pages and most of the posts were in opposition to alpha rolls with out any red ink. It was only when 2 of the members started to go at each other that the Mod stepped in around pg 16. I understand Anne is frustrated and feels she and her opinions are being targeted, but I respect Ixas and I do not beleive she would do that. I also think it is a ridiculous rule, however Ixas did not make the rule.

ORIGINAL: Personal Champ

Anne, we all value your knowledge, experience and expertise, myself included, as evidenced by my PM to you when I got my puppy. I am going to address each of your points, your quote will be in red.

quote:
...merely stated that I could not have said discussion on the CM threads...
Merely? Here's what the Mod edited: quote: Here's the place for everyone who gets censored on the CM threads when you try to make sensible arguments against rolling a dog, or "putting it on its side". It's inflammatory, at best, and deragotary, at worst. The way to "merely" state it would be something like this: "Because of the recent discussion of the Alpha Roll (insert link here for reference), I thought it would be a good idea to investigate the other side - why we SHOULDN'T roll a dog. Since this is against CM's beliefs, I am posting this in General Chat, out of respect for that section's rules." Is that so difficult??

 
Spiritdog, I understand fully what you are saying about the moderating in that section and the feeling of being targeted, real or unreal.  My little pet peeve is the editorializing on the contents of the posts.  But that is not important.   
 
I agree with Personal Champ's first statement in giving you recognition for your contributions to the forum.  I am wondering if you can respond to PC's question as to which delivery is better.  The choices are 1st or 2nd and there are no qualifications.
 
I want to understand if you feel you are innocent and feel that none of your statements of past posting are inflammatory, derogatory, and not truly factual.  Remember my LoginId is forever going to be associated with a certain smiley icon.
 
As I see it if you do not have this recognition then nothing is going to change in the future and the Admin will have to do what she has to do.  If you do recognize that you are not totally innocent and the changes are made as you requested, then will you be able to live with the consequences if you continue as before?

for the position of forum's harp king?

 
Harp .... I do have three guitars. Does that count? I may not have as many as Ed but life is like that.
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DPU, part of the problem is that the people who are reading the CM threads get ONE point of view.  It's flat out wrong, and always has been.  Some members only go to that section, and are a lot less likely to see the flip side of the argument once it gets moved.  We seem to be getting very territorial on this board, and where once we had legitimate discussion, even heated discussion, it didn't degenerate into personal attack very often, and when it did, someone got a note saying tone it down, and we pretty much did.  Now, everyone can go anywhere on this board, but god forbid they even breathe incorrectly and not only do they get the tsst, they get the alpha roll.
And, frankly, what would have been wrong with a mod asking someone to start a new thread?  No, better to get rid of the thorn in the side and try to peeve her into crossing the line toward oblivion.  Sometimes I wonder if we're really dealing with Primrose with a new ISP.   And, to be honest, this is becoming a circular thread, too, and one that is not giving me any pleasure.  I'm here to have fun and help dogs.  So, this is my last post on this thread.

ORIGINAL: ron2
Harp .... I do have three guitars. Does that count? I may not have as many as Ed but life is like that.
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Give me winds, piano, drums, and a jazz tune (not bebop) and I am happy.  You can add a harp but not a guitar.