California mandatory speuter law fails

Good. [sm=wink2.gif] I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in that perhaps their hearts were in the right place ... but it was a very badly written piece of legislature.  Maybe they can come up with something better between now and January.
 
Joyce

Yes, I''d have to agree with your sentiment.

Paula

I haven't seen the actual law (how it as written) but from what I understood the S/N was a good idea.... no? Anything to help control puppymills and BYB's.

Hopefully the are able to fix it, educate and bring it back and make it work.

Puppymills were unaffected by the law.
Byb's? would depend on individual cities doing the enforcement/inspections/followups...in addition to their other duties.

ORIGINAL: Sera_J

I haven't seen the actual law (how it as written) but from what I understood the S/N was a good idea.... no? Anything to help control puppymills and BYB's.

Hopefully the are able to fix it, educate and bring it back and make it work.

Well the libertarian in me bristles at 'mandatory' anything on principle. But the 4 month requirement was far too early. It did not take into consideration breeder issues like not knowing the potential of an animal until 2 years old, or the effect of speuter on working dogs. Also, the cert to keep your dog intact would have made it easier for some people to keep their dogs intact simply because they had the money for it. Also the concern that if there was such a law, people with intact animals might avoid vetting for fear of reporting? And how would it be enforced - the nut police? Etc.

Paula

Truly a win and a loss.  Breeders that are doing help with education won this, but until we can stop puppymills, there is no way to stop overpopulation.
 
Another loss is that this can be brought up again.  However it was heard thru press talks that if this was actually going to Senate, it would be shot down.  However press talks are more like bad rumors, I would rather read the Tabloids. 
 
But to consider, it could come back, but more people are rallying to fight it in case it does.
 
 

However it was heard thru press talks that if this was actually going to Senate, it would be shot down. However press talks are more like bad rumors, I would rather read the Tabloids.

 
I have several friends who work with the legislature and they said that the talk around the capitol was that the Senate wasn't going to move the bill.

not exactly "failed" there just going to go back and re calarify the bill that is how it works . it's the 3rd or 4th time they have been working with everyone so no were not sunk. ..... it's alreay an Ordinace in the City of Los Angeles.

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in response to not taking into the effect working dogs of breeders?
 yes it does .
 
please read the whole thing

However, since some dogs cannot be spayed or neutered for certain reasons, this ordinance has exemptions for these cases. These are:

   1. Dogs which are unable to be spayed or neutered without a high likelihood of suffering serious bodily harm or death due to age or infirmity. Written confirmation from a licensed veterinarian is required to qualify for this exception.
   2. Dogs used by law enforcement agencies for law enforcement purposes.
   3. Service or assistance dogs that assist disabled persons.
   4. Competition dogs. A Competition Dog is a dog which is used to show, to compete or to breed, which is of a breed recognized by and registered with the American Kennel Club (AKC), United Kennel Club (UKC), American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA) or other approved breed registries. The dog or owner must also meet ONE of the following requirements:
         1. The dog has competed in at least one dog show or sporting competition sanctioned by a national registry or approved by the department within the last 365 days; or
         2. The dog has earned a conformation, obedience, agility, carting, herding, protection, rally, sporting, working or other title from a purebred dog registry referenced above or other registry or dog sport association approved by the department; or
         3. The owner or custodian of the dog is a member of a department approved purebred dog breed clubs, which maintains and enforces a code of ethics for dog breeding that includes restrictions from breeding dogs with genetic defects and life threatening health problems that commonly threaten the breed.

If you believe your dog meets one of these exemptions, please complete and return an Exemption Application.

upon further review, you only have to show once a year. so one puppy class at 4 mo is all that is needed  your good for exemption if your showing.

 honestly there is no proof unaltered dogs are any better workers.
 a few breed clubs, like the aussies allow altered competition as far as herding and rally ect.

Obviously, you have NO idea what you're talking about. You can't show a pup till 6 months in any venue I"m aware of. 

honestly there is no proof unaltered dogs are any better workers.

Maybe not, but if you have a good worker and want more dogs like him/her, it is kind of hard if the dog has been altered. 

Some of the language leaves open the abuse of BSL. The dept of approved breeds? What if they decide to "un"-approve APBT's, for instance?
 

Obviously, you have NO idea what you're talking about. You can't show a pup till 6 months in any venue I"m aware of.

 
Not to mention much later for agility dogs!

Actually it does not address any number of WORKING stock dogs in CA who are livestock guardians or stockyard dogs or herding dogs.  Many of these animals are cross bred and do not, nor have they ever been part of a registry.  They do however provide considerable positive impact to the economical viability of livestock industry in CA.

Early spay neuter of working dogs makes no sense, since breeding decisions should be postponed until full physical development, adequate health testing and clear demonstration of working ability.

I would be much more willing to support a bill with higher licensing fees for intact animals and lower fees for altered animals, with my higher intact fees supporting low cost spay and neuter.

Most competition venues have no problems with altered dogs.  The issue is not able individual animals that can or can not participate in competition performance events.  We are talking about preserving the breeding stock and genetic variability wihtin RARE breeds.  You take animals out of the gene pool with a spay neuter requirement, there are plenty of unintended negative outcomes just waiting to emerge.
 
The bill also has a one time breeding option,  what if the animals produced by this stud or dam are such that an additional litter is under consideration.
 
Sorry this bill was poorly written to begin with, amended haphazardly and essentially unenforcable.  It is just another potentially unfunded or under funded mandate.

ORIGINAL: Pwca

Obviously, you have NO idea what you're talking about. You can't show a pup till 6 months in any venue I"m aware of. 

You took the words right outta my mouth!