Santa Cruz Shelter expenses up 93% since S/N Law.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Santa Cruz Shelter expenses up 93% since S/N Law.

    News release.  [linkhttp://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070621006072&newsLang=en]http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070621006072&newsLang=en[/link]
     
     
    Claiming taxpayer savings as the basis for the bill, proponents point to a 1995 mandatory spay/neuter law in Santa Cruz County that serves as the blueprint for AB 1634. In a recent radio interview, Assemblyman Levine said that based on the Santa Cruz ordinance, he assumes that California taxpayers can expect to “save $200 million or more a year.”
    But records obtained by PetPAC from the California State Controller#%92s Office paint a very different picture: Animal control expenses in Santa Cruz County have skyrocketed since the law took effect, from $635,296 in 1995 to more than $1.1 million in 2005 – an increase of 93%.
    In contrast, animal control expenses statewide decreased more than 10% during the same
    10-year period, according to government figures supplied by Judie Mancuso, the bill#%92s own sponsor.
     
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    This would also coorspond to numbers I retrieved from the City of Santa Cruz's web site that show the budget number for their contribution to the county animal shelter. 
     
    Here are their numbers:
     
    [size=4]97(A) $252,000

    98(A) $265,000
    99(A) $238,000
    00(A) $273,000
    01(A) $347,000
    02(A) $361,000
    03(A) $383,000
    04(A) $341,000
    05(A) $431,000
    06(A) $427,000
    07(B) $478,000
    08(B) $504,000
     
     
    [size=4]All numbers were dug out of reports from the city web site

    http://www.ci.santa-cruz.ca.us/ Under the finance department and the budget
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    • Puppy
    Ha, one guess that people for the bill will write this off.  Oh well.  Thanks for the facts.  Still trying to find a reason to be for it, all seems like myths to me.  :D
     
    Thanks again for this info!
     
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    PetPac is another group like NAIA that has a great deal of inaccurate and misleading information on their web site trying to fight AB1634. I would take anything on their web site with a grain of salt.  The Chariman of the group has the same method of trying to demonize people that are working to save these animals in California.   They are just focused on keeping the status quo in California so that the animals in California  shelters can continue to be put to death by the thousands and thousands. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Got this in my email box tonight...along with the hearing dates, thanks for posting. Good.
    But not like politicians are shocking anyone, with their capacity to tell lies and play with numbers as they see fit.
    • Gold Top Dog
    PetPac is another group like NAIA that has a great deal of inaccurate and misleading information on their web site trying to fight AB1634. I would take anything on their web site with a grain of salt.

     
    Well I can tell you that the city numbers that I posted were directly from the city web site in the annual reports.  If anyone is interested I can post the appropriate web pages for each year.
     
    Also the supporting numbers for the PetPac release are here [linkhttp://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/Santa%20Cruz%20Budget%20Info%20with%201990_2006.pdf]http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/Santa%20Cruz%20Budget%20Info%20with%201990_2006.pdf[/link]  They show the photocopies Schedule 9 budget pages from the state.
     
     
     
    • Puppy
    Wow.  This is disgusting.  And people still support the bill?  *sighs*  Like I said somewhere else, only ignorance has got the bill this far.
     
    Kudos to the OP for this information.  Mind if I pass it on?
     
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: timsdat
    But records obtained by PetPAC from the California State Controller's Office paint a very different picture: Animal control expenses in Santa Cruz County have skyrocketed since the law took effect, from $635,296 in 1995 to more than $1.1 million in 2005 – an increase of 93%.

     
    Please by all means get all of that information together right now and present it to the residents and officials of Santa Cruz County, this even via their local media. That information might save Santa Cruz County many millions of dollars over the years, and by making that information aware to them right now who knows you just might receive a "golden key to the county" as a community award.
     
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    Hearings are already set, lol.
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    ORIGINAL: rwbeagles
    Hearings are already set, lol.

     
    Great, and please let us know the outcome from all that ;PetPac statistical information after it's been presented to the residents and officials of Santa Cruz County.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    By the way, a while back I read about some veterinary professor and his wife who was a AKC breeder and judge who where were against this Bill, and I'm still waiting to read a reply from the California Veterinary Medical Association (CVMA) about their claims about early spay neutering. It's been some time now and all I see is still the original official statement on the CVMA's website as mentioned below and from this address:-
    [linkhttp://www.cvma.net/doc.asp?ID=3175]http://www.cvma.net/doc.asp?ID=3175[/link]
     
    Questions and Answers about the CVMA#%92s Co-sponsorship of AB 1634
     
    1.  Why is the CVMA co-sponsoring this bill?
     
    The CVMA became a co-sponsor to this bill because first, we support spaying and neutering to stop the killing of unwanted animals.  Second, by being a co-sponsor we are “at the table” and have a voice in crafting the language so it will be the best bill possible for the veterinary profession.  Already, we have made several favorable amendments to the bill, such as extending the time frame by which the spay/neuter must be performed (to up to 6½ months) and assuring that the surgeries must be performed by a California licensed veterinarian.  Third, a standard statewide law regarding spay/neuter is better than a slew of local ordinances, many of which would be unfavorable for pet owners and veterinarians.  Opposition to AB 1634 will continue current policies favoring euthanasia for hundreds of thousands of dogs and cats.
     
    2.  Will veterinarians have to enforce the provisions of the bill?
     
    No.  Veterinarians will not play any role in enforcing the law, and will not have to report their clients, or anyone, to authorities.  Enforcement is handled solely by local animal control agencies.
     
    3.  What if you object to spaying or neutering a pet at four months of age?
     
    Spaying and neutering at four months of age is required by this bill.  However, veterinarians can still make decisions regarding the well-being of each individual animal, and can delay spaying and neutering by providing the owner with a letter.  Also, veterinarians have the ability to exempt an animal altogether from spaying and neutering due to age, poor health or illness.
     
    4.  Isn#%92t the fee for an intact permit too high?
     
    The bill does not specify a fee for an intact permit.  That will be up to local animal control authorities, who will have discretion and flexibility with regard to permits and fees, just as they do now.  (Many local authorities already have higher fees for intact animals.)  There is no indication that the fee will be “hundreds of dollars” as some breeder groups have been stating. 
     
    5.  If this bill is signed by the Governor, there won#%92t be any more mixed breed dogs and cats in the world, right?
     
    AB 1634 will lower the number of unwanted dogs and cats, reducing the number that have to be euthanized each year in shelters.  It is highly unlikely that the law will eliminate mixed breeds.
     
    6.  Doesn#%92t AB 1634 infringe upon basic rights of ownership – I object to having government intervention in our lives.
     
    Spay/neuter legislation is preferable to killing over 400,000 cats and dogs each year in California, at a cost of more than $250 million.  There already are other laws that restrict an individual#%92s right to make decisions regarding their property. Recent examples of this are seat belt laws and helmet laws, which save taxpayer dollars and lives just as AB 1634 is intended to do for our pets.
     
    7.  Why weren#%92t the CVMA members polled on this issue
     
    The CVMA has a communication structure in place to hear any member#%92s opinions.  The CVMA is overseen by its 15-member Board of Governors, who makes the association#%92s policy decisions.  CVMA Board members come from 10 districts representing all of California veterinarians.  CVMA members can talk directly to their Board member, and members#%92 opinions are also heard through their local VMAs and through the CVMA#%92s House of Delegates.  Those opinions are communicated to the CVMA Board of Governors.  Last November the House of Delegates voted for a motion to create model language for local mandatory spay/neuter legislation.  Their motion was sent to the Board and accepted as the CVMA#%92s position on this topic.  Additionally, the CVMA has a legislative committee which debates the issues.  Members who want to get involved more directly are encouraged to contact the CVMA.
     
    8.  Why is the CVMA taking the same position as some animal rights groups in supporting AB 1634?
     
    The CVMA supports this bill because of the bill#%92s merits, and not because of whatever other groups may support or oppose this bill.  No animal rights group has been involved in creating or amending this bill, or in working to get it through the legislature.  AB 1634 is co-sponsored by the California Animal Control Directors Association, the CVMA, L.A. Animal Services and the City of Los Angeles, and the State Humane Association of California.
     
    9.  AB 1634 will not reduce the population of feral cats, or teach people how to be responsible dog owners.  Does it really solve the problem?
     
    Unfortunately, there is no utopia.  True, AB 1634 does not solve all aspects of the overwhelming pet overpopulation problem in our state, but it does address a major source of animals impounded by animal control agencies.
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    ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

    Hearings are already set, lol.


    I would also like to hear the outcome of the shell game that PetPac is trying to pull off.    Should be rather humourus. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well you guys are here...which points to the fact that you have both computers...and internet connections. One need simply google to find information...so you both can feel free to do so, at any time in the future, should you need or desire any information on the above subject. In fact if either of you reside in California you likely won't even have to Google very hard...lol.
     
    As to the CVMA...LOL. They probably should have consulted all their members before taking a stance...because right now they've gotten some of them pretty upset going by the opp letters from member vets I've seen lately. More to come perhaps as well as thier clients leave them in favor of opposed vets. Breeders are good clients to have from a money standpoint for a vet...which some will likely be finding out the hard way. Of course when they raise the price of a spay to "what the market will bear" I expect that will even out some. Hopefully some consumer group is keeping track of the costs right now to watch for predatory upswings in charges if the bill passes.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

    Well you guys are here...which points to the fact that you have both computers...and internet connections. One need simply google to find information...so you both can feel free to do so, at any time in the future, should you need or desire any information on the above subject. In fact if either of you reside in California you likely won't even have to Google very hard...lol.
     
    As to the CVMA...LOL. They probably should have consulted all their members before taking a stance...because right now they've gotten some of them pretty upset going by the opp letters from member vets I've seen lately. More to come perhaps as well as thier clients leave them in favor of opposed vets. Breeders are good clients to have from a money standpoint for a vet...which some will likely be finding out the hard way. Of course when they raise the price of a spay to "what the market will bear" I expect that will even out some. Hopefully some consumer group is keeping track of the costs right now to watch for predatory upswings in charges if the bill passes.


    I wonder why this debate isn't simply called    " Breeders against AB1634" because that is what it  is all really about. It is people that profit from dogs versus people trying to keep dogs from being exterminated in shelters, in my opinion.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Bob you can call it whatever you'd like. *shrug*
    I think the eventual outcome is more important likely than the 'name' people choose to give or catch phases they apply to it. The aim of anti's is to avoid giving AR's a foothold to exterminate pet ownership altogether...and if anti's keep that goal in mind...focusing on the bigger picture, rather than the many small digs others try to make...we can make the biggest impact.