Hunte Seminar (Crossposted)

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I've had this idea in the back of my head for awhile now and discussed it with Patti Strand last nite and she agrees. The AR movement isn't about animals at all. PETA, HSUS, ALF, Bob Barker, Oprah, the RSPCA in England, etc etc, don't give a rats patootie about animals. In fact, they really kinda hate them. This fight is about our PERSONAL FREEDOMS and WHO gets to write the laws governing all of us. Wasn't anybody else bothered by the law in Louisville, KY even PASSING? Not what it contained, although that was surely bad enough, but just how many personal freedoms were violated? And
NOT ONE of those supposedly intelligent (I question this, but that's another discussion) people on the Council thought there was a problem WRITING A LAW like that and then VOTING FOR IT! (And thank gawd the law is being challenged in court - I do have some hope yet. *G*) Today we lose our dogs, our cats, our steak dinners. What do we lose tomorrow??? Better keep your eye on the ball here folks, because all those folks we're fighting right now over pets are con artists playing a shell game. The issue is NOT animals.

Are PETA, HSUS, ALF, Bob Barker, Oprah, RSPCA etc. all part of a conspiracy to eventually strip American's of all their rights and freedoms? Are they using the guise of animal welfare as a stepping stone to take over the gov't? If it's not about animals ( "don't give a rats patootie about animals";), what is their ultimate goal - to control the world?

denise m

Are PETA, HSUS, ALF, Bob Barker, Oprah, RSPCA etc. all part of a conspiracy to eventually strip American's of all their rights and freedoms? Are they using the guise of animal welfare as a stepping stone to take over the gov't? If it's not about animals ( "don't give a rats patootie about animals";), what is their ultimate goal - to control the world?

     Uh, they've made it clear that they do not support our right to OWN pets. Not even about breeding them. Yes, the AR agenda is to stop the ownership of animals. Google "Ingrid Newkirk quotes" if you don't believe me. They make this agenda quite clear.

I'm not asking if they are against our right to own pets. According to Betsy, it has nothing to do with animals at all, it is about taking away our personal freedoms.

 "The AR movement isn't about animals at all. PETA, HSUS, ALF, Bob Barker, Oprah, the RSPCA in England, etc etc, don't give a rats patootie about animals. In fact, they really kinda hate them. This fight is about our PERSONAL FREEDOMS and WHO gets to write the laws governing all of us."

I'm asking if this is just our rights and personal freedoms concerning pets or is it ALL our rights and freedoms. That what it sounds like she is saying to me. If these organizations and individuals "in fact really kinda hate them" why would they care if we own them or not? 

Hmmm large company known for reselling the products of puppy mills as a reliable source?!  I think not.  I'd take anything Hunte Corp. puts out with a grain of salt.

"If you were there"... blah blah blah

Yeah, if you were there, you were a professional breeder.  Ok, I give you that.  Doubt strongly the puppy mill owners would take time to attend a conference of any kind or care to learn about breeding better puppies.  Hunte Corp. sponsored it, whop de doo.  It doesn't change the number of times they've been cited for buying pups from unlicensed breeders, those sick, damaged, deformed pups still ended up in the homes of unsuspecting buyers.  If the professional breeders, anti-AR alarmists, and corporations like Hunte are truly concerned about the AR agenda, they need to clean up their own mess first.  Do the work to research the breeders they're buying from.  A simple call to the USDA that took me all of 10 minutes revealed a Hunte dog that came from a breeder whose license had been pulled for horrendous conditions.  Not that hard for a big money making corp. like Hunte, but apparently too much to ask.

So, PETA has said while they think it would be better if animals weren't owned, their primary concern is how animals are treated, whether they be pets or livestock.  Your rights to own pets are not threatened, how you treat those pets, what conditions they live in and the rights to humane, pain free lives are what's at stake and anything any AR group does to protect those innocent animals from abuse and suffering is A-OK with me.  The scrutiny professional breeders and others are being subjected to is as a result of the abuses coming to light.  It's unfortunate breeders in general are painted with a wide brush that people view them as the same ilk as the millers, but perhaps, it's because of practices like those of Hunte that makes that happen.  Instead of hosting conferences, perhaps they need to research their suppliers more carefully and actually do something for the owners who've unfortunately bought those dogs who slipped through their sizeable cracks.

Peace Out. 

Wild Pigs
There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange
students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor
noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and
stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him
he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting
communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's
government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange
question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young
man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place
in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to
come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day,
you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming.
When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you
put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat
again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a
gate in the last side. The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to
come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole
herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around
inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free
corn . They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the
woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening
to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps
spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental
income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies,
payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. while we
continually lose our freedoms - just a little at a time.

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And this is how we will lose our right to breed dogs and control our
ownership of pets, a little at a time. Denver and Dallas here, California
there, Pennsylvania next. When it becomes impossible for anyone to breed
dogs except (possibly) commercial breeders who have business licenses,
inspections, and USDA approved concrete runs and water-impermeable surfaces,
we will wonder how it happened. The answer will be "one piece of fence at a
time" One compromise at a time. One "reasonable negotiation" at a time.

If you've ever said the following, you're guilty of providing a fence post:
-- If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't be afraid of inspections
-- No one should have more than ------- dogs.
-- No one should breed more than ----- litters a year,
-- Breeding pets is wrong.
-- No one should breed except to Improve the Breed.
-- You should have a license to own a (fill in the breed.)
-- Breeders with more than ____ dogs should be inspected.

If no one breeds except show breeders,
a) Do you really believe the animal rightists will stop there?
b) Where will the pets come from?

When people can no longer buy a good pet, perhaps we will wake up. Until
then, we continue to bash each other, criticize our fellow breeders, and
support spay/neuter laws for "everyone but me."

When animal control comes to remove your dogs because you are one dog over
the limit or because your dogs are in crates or because your neighbor says
you didn't have water for them one day last week, perhaps then you will
realize that fighting bad legislation is not just for the activists and
fanatics. When you have compromised away your right to breed at all perhaps
you will realize that there IS no compromise with the animal rights
movement.

"First they came for the commercial breeders, and I did not speak out~~
because I was not a commercial breeder.
Then they came for the backyard breeders, and I did not speak out
because I was not a backyard breeder.
Then they came for the one-time breeders, and I did not speak out~~
because I was not a one-time breeder.
And they came for me~~
And there was no one left to speak out for me."

Time to wake up, AKC breeders. They're coming for us.

(Note: Although this addresses AKC breeders, it most surely involves ALL breeders.)

BCMixs

"If you were there"... blah blah blah

Yeah, if you were there, you were a professional breeder.  Ok, I give you that.  Doubt strongly the puppy mill owners would take time to attend a conference of any kind or care to learn about breeding better puppies.  Hunte Corp. sponsored it, whop de doo.  It doesn't change the number of times they've been cited for buying pups from unlicensed breeders, those sick, damaged, deformed pups still ended up in the homes of unsuspecting buyers. 

     Hmmm. The author of that article (see signature @ the bottom of post - Betsy & Kevin Cummings of Tribute Salukis) were SHOW breeders, not proffesional/commercial breeders. Believe he mentioned within that article he breeds a litter every other year ... So wrong, not all in attendance were professional breeders, however, it was a seminar specifically geared for the professionals for the sole purpose of improving breeding stock. I also doubt anyone running an illegal "puppy mill" would be in attendance, but see, licensed breeders who sell to pet stores, and therefore must have facilities inspected, are NOT puppy mills. These are people who happen to breed dogs for a living, and some of us don't see a problem with that, so long as the dogs are well kept & healthy. Supporting commercial breeders does not equate with the support of animal cruelty. Have you ever been to a truly professional kennel? I'm in the market for a kennel upstate, and have thus far visited a few, some commercial, others hobby with no more than a few kennel runs affixed with dog houses. The professional kennels have been immaculate, and the dogs I met were healthy, easily recognizable as their breed, and very well socialized.
     I'm sure Hunte and every other major broker, breeder, pet store, etc. has had sick dogs on occasion. No one is condoning that. But it's a great step in the right direction when they are funding such extensive breeder education seminars. And for free! What a great incentive for all breeders to attend! The show breeder who wrote that article was questioning why more show breeders didn't attend these seminars. That, IMO, is a good question ...

BCMixs

So, PETA has said while they think it would be better if animals weren't owned, their primary concern is how animals are treated, whether they be pets or livestock.  Your rights to own pets are not threatened, how you treat those pets, what conditions they live in and the rights to humane, pain free lives are what's at stake and anything any AR group does to protect those innocent animals from abuse and suffering is A-OK with me.  The scrutiny professional breeders and others are being subjected to is as a result of the abuses coming to light. 

“In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether.” Ingrid Newkirk, national Director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Newsday, 2/21/88

     HELLO!!!!!!!!!

Just wanted to add a few more special tidbits of information from PETA's founders in regards to animal ownership - not breeding. OWNERSHIP.

 “You don’t have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them … One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild … they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV,” Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.

“I’m not only uninterested in having children. I am opposed to having children. Having a purebred human baby is like having a purebred dog; it is nothing but vanity, human vanity.” Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA’s founder and president, New Yorker, April 23, 2003.

“The bottom line is that people don’t have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats … If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind,” Ingrid Newkirk, founder, president and former national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Animals, May/June 1993


     I would like to know where anyone gets the idea this is in any way sane, normal, rational thinking? Purebred human babies? In any other century, Ingrid Newkirk would be thrown in the looney bin (oh, wait - not PC to call it a looney bin - would nuthouse work?)
     You can't argue that good intentions aren't there - but you know what road was paved with good intentions ... The thinking of Ingrid Newkirk, Wayne Pacelle, and their orginazations are distorted, sick. They are playing us for fools and slipping the rug out from under us. If you think this is a breeder issue, I will be the last to have sympathy for you when one day you cannot own the rescues you love, because animal ownership will be illegal. This is not a breeder issue, but breeders are up in arms because they are coming after us with a vengance. It BEGINS with breeders. No breeders = no pups + mandatory s/n + adoption the "only option" = no more dogs being born = no more dogs PERIOD. Some of us are not ok with that concept. 
     Again, do not fool yourself into believing AR is about the animals. I actually have living proof it's not. IT IS ALL ABOUT THEIR AGENDA. I had a bitch requiring a c-section left to suffer for 2hrs with a puppy stuck becuase I requested a c-sec, not a spay. They bullied me into the spay after I learned they had not yet treated my dog @ 7pm, having been brought in around 4:45 p.m. Had I left her for two hours, the ASPCA would have probably arrested me. See, evil breeders. Yet it was the ASPCA's vet clinic in NYC that left her to suffer and butchered the spay. Don't believe they would put their agenda over the life of an animal? They fricken outright told me it was their "mission" to s/n and if you're foolish enough to believe they wouldn't have let her die (hey, it's all for the "mission" one less breeding bitch) you have your head in the sand. ARs don't give a $*** about the animals. It's all about furthering the agenda.
WHAT THE NYC ASPCA BERGH MEMORIAL CLINIC THINKS OF SHOW CH BROOD BITCHES THEY LET SUFFER HALF UNCONSCIOUS FOR 2 HRS:



 
     Doesn't look much better 3 months later, "healed". She has lumps going down the entire incision line, and now that is is "healed" (for lack of a better word) it feels like they stapled her on the INSIDE. Yeah. Keep donating to the ARs and the ASPCA ... this is where the $$$ goes

Thanks for posting.  I agree on some points and not others but I do agree that the opportunity to be educated and to learn should always be taken when possible.  I am a big admirer of Patti Strand and what her organization is doing for pet owners.  I'm envious of you for getting to spend time with her and pick her brain.

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