Spay/Neuter Religious Freedom Issues

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    Spay/Neuter Religious Freedom Issues

    Mandatory Spay and Neuter Laws Violate
    Right Of Religious Freedom For All Jews
     
    by JOHN YATES
    The American Sporting Dog Alliance
     
    Laws and ordinances that mandate pet sterilization violate the constitutionally protected right of religious freedom for all practicing Jews, not just those who adhere to Orthodox beliefs, The American Sporting Dog Alliance has learned.
     
    This issue was part of the brief filed by dog owners in a lawsuit against the City of Los Angeles, which recently passed a pet sterilization ordinance. The court document did not elaborate on the sources for this opinion.
     
    The American Sporting Dog Alliance has independently verified that traditional Jewish law – called Halachic Law – specifically forbids all followers of Judaism from spaying or neutering their pets.
     
    The lawsuit document says the ban on pet sterilization applies to Orthodox Jews. However, the American Sporting Dog Alliance has verified that it applies to all practicing Jews, regardless of how reformed, contemporary or liberal their beliefs.
     
    Jewish law does not prohibit keeping animals, and indeed many practitioners of Judaism own dogs, cats or other household pets. However, Jewish law does raise some complications for pet owners ranging from feeding to confinement. One of those complications, surgical pet sterilization, amounts to an outright ban of the practice.
     
    Rabbi Howard Jachter of Yeshiva University in New York City summarizes the issues for practicing Jews.
     
    “Halacha forbids removal of reproductive organs from humans or animals, whether male or female,” Jachta wrote in the Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society.
     
    Jachta also wrote that it was a violation of both Rabbinic and Talmudic principles for a Jew to ask or hire a non-Jewish veterinarian to spay or neuter an animal, or to transfer the animal to a non-Jewish third party to perform the procedure.
     
    Jewish law contains 613 Halachic commandments, many of which are routinely practiced by many if not most Jews. Many regard them as a blueprint to the practice of Judaism. For non-Jews, perhaps the most familiar Halachic commandment is the requirement for eating only kosher food, which is practiced by a large majority of Orthodox Jews and a rapidly increasing number of liberal Jews. Other well-known Halachic commandments are observing the Sabbath on Saturday and not working on Saturday.
     
    The issue of pet sterilization arose last year in Israel, where new laws were aimed at reducing pet populations.
     Rabbi Yaakov Ariel,  the chief rabbi of the city of Ramat Gan, Israel, and one of the leading rabbis of the religious Zionist movement, strongly opposed spaying and neutering of pets and other animals. Last June, Rabbi Ariel issued a ruling that forbids practicing Jews from spaying female animals or castrating male animals. He cited Halachic law as the basis for his ruling. The Torah (Lev. 22:24), a major holy book for practitioners of Judaism, specifically prohibits castrating a male animal of any species, and the neutering of female animals is prohibited by general laws against tza'ar ba'alei chayim (causing suffering to an animal for any reason except to save the animal’s life or cure a dangerous medical condition). The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a part of the Bill of Rights, forbids government from infringing upon the religious beliefs of any American. The amendment says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof….” Mandating Jewish people to spay or neuter an animal thus would violate the “establishment” clause of the First Amendment, if a person adheres to any part of Halachic law. This potentially applies to all practicing Jews. 
    The American Sporting Dog Alliance represents owners, hobby breeders and professionals who work with breeds of dogs that are used for hunting. We are a grassroots movement working to protect the rights of dog owners, and to assure that the traditional relationships between dogs and humans maintains its rightful place in American society and life. Please visit us on the web at http://www.americansportingdogalliance.org.
     The American Sporting Dog Alliance also needs your help so that we can continue to work to protect the rights of dog owners. Your membership, participation and support are truly essential to the success of our mission. We are funded solely by the donations of our members, and maintain strict independence.  
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    Ugh ok but like most religions this idea is outdated. The Jewish religion also states that (Jacob, Moses ) the hunting of animals makes one evil.......really? Are ther eno jews who hunt or eat meat/ I think not. Its stupid, unhealthy and while it may be ideal its just not reality.

    Plus the animals arnt Jewish just the owners.

    I really dislike organized religion. when are people gonna learn that you can be religious and spiritual without using your beliefs to be a bigot butt head, LOL.

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    AuroraLove
    I really dislike organized religion. when are people gonna learn that you can be religious and spiritual without using your beliefs to be a bigot butt head, LOL.

     

     I am not a fan of organized religion either but people are supposed to have freedom in choosing such things. It is not pur place to say "your beliefs don't count because they are outdated".

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    eaglerock814

    Rabbi Yaakov Ariel,  the chief rabbi of the city of Ramat Gan, Israel, and one of the leading rabbis of the religious Zionist movement, strongly opposed spaying and neutering of pets and other animals. Last June, Rabbi Ariel issued a ruling that forbids practicing Jews from spaying female animals or castrating male animals. He cited Halachic law as the basis for his ruling.

    Interestingly the chief rabbi of Ramat Gan, Rabbi Yaakov Ariel, went on and stated that the Torah only allows for “hormonal neutering”, so strict religious practicing Jewish people could do this even in the US.
    Some might like to read about this and the following from this link:-
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3413771,00.html

    Jewish World
    Dog neutering arouses halachic controversy

    National campaign for neutering dogs encounters opposition of Ramat Gan chief rabbi, who claims Torah forbids such surgical procedure on animals. Veterinarian: Surgery prevents cancer

    Kobi Nahshoni Published: 06.18.07, 20:45 / Israel Jewish Scene 

    The national campaign to encourage the neutering and spaying of dogs, has won great PR so far, but this week it found itself facing criticism from an unexpected source. The chief rabbi of Ramat Gan, Rabbi Yaakov Ariel, stated that the Torah forbids surgical neutering or spaying (ie, the removal of the dog’s testicles and the female dog’s uterus), and only allows for “hormonal neutering.” 

    In a ruling published this weekend, the prominent Zionist rabbi wrote that Chazal (the sages of blesses memory) distinguished between surgical neutering, which involves the removal of the breeding organs, to a hormonal procedure, which only neutralizes the ability to give birth. “It’s true that surgical neutering is a one-time thing, simpler and perhaps also cheaper, but the Torah forbids it and only permits hormonal neutering,” he ruled.

    Rabbi Ariel went on to list the halachic difficulties involved in raising a dog, and called on the public to “thoroughly mull whether to get a dog at all.” He stressed that a large dog can only be raised in peripheral areas, and even them be kept on a leash at all times. The owners of quiet dogs must also make sure to prevent any damage, harm or inconvenience their pet may cause others, make sure it does not “sully the streets,” and consider the limitations on neutering.

    ‘Surgery prevents diseases’ 
    Dr Nissim Ariel, head veterinarian of the Let the Animals Live foundation, told Ynet in response that the surgical procedure has beneficial results other than neutralizing the breeding capacity. He said that research over the past 20 years had found that female dogs that had not been spayed tended to develop carcinogenic tumors and uterus infections, and that spaying significantly reduced these risks. With male dogs, neutering prevents prostate problems, while the hormonal treatment multiplies the risk for carcinogenic tumors by tenfold.

    The foundation’s director-general and legal counselor, Reuven Ladiansky, added that “the Halacha unequivocally forbids causing suffering to animals. In Israel, there’s an especially high rate in the natural increase of dogs and cats, many of which unfortunately find themselves abandoned on the streets, exposed to disease, hunger and thirst, severe abuse, being hit by cars or even put down by the authorities.

    “The Let the Animals Live foundation recommends that every dog owner in Israel neuters their dogs. This is a relatively simple procedure, followed by short recovery period, that is a suitable and humane way to reduce the cat and dog population and reduce the suffering of animals in Israel.”

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    As I posted in another thread regarding dogs in Israel:-

    Some 4000 stray dogs are killed every month in Israel because they have no home. Some believe that this is only 50% of the real number. The reasons for these numbers are clear: too many dogs are abandoned, whether out of cruelty, convenience, or simply low budgets, but not enough are adopted. Clearly something must be done to stop the vicious circle set in motion by the abandonment of dogs, which are not spayed or neutered. 

    It is estimated that a local authority spends some 100 - 140 shekels to catch a stray dog, put it to sleep and bury it. This translates to millions of shekels per year. In order to solve the problem in a more humane – and more economical - manner, efforts have focused on the promotion of neutering and spaying. High on the agenda is a campaign to encourage neutering and spaying which will both raise people’s awareness of the problem and let them know that neutering their dog will reduce their annual licensing fee in half. Representatives of the Ministries of the Environment, Agriculture and Interior, along with representatives of animal welfare associations and veterinarians, are currently working out the logistics of the spaying and neutering campaign. 

    Keep in mind that if this campaign does not address the situation sufficiently enough then Israel may seriously consider Mandatory Spay Neuter measures, this even with consideration in what their Torah mentions, and it's yet to be seen what the long term effects would be from this current campaign. Also due to MSN some just might decide to File Lawsuits using religious grounds, and it will be interesting to see what happens in regards to this, even from within several other countries.

    Well, Israel's Ministers Ezra and Simhon initiated this campaign in May 2007, and below an update a little while later on what happened and from this link:-
    http://www.sviva.gov.il/bin/en.jsp?enPage=e_BlankPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=Object&enDispWho=News^l3673&enZone=e_news

    Israel Ministry of Environmental Protection
    Dog Neutering and Spaying Campaign a Success:
    5000 Dogs Neutered and Spayed in Three Months
    Updated: 09/05/2007

    Some 5000 dogs were spayed and neutered as part of a national campaign to promote the spaying and neutering of dogs which was initiated by Agriculture Minister Shalom Simhon and Environmental Protection Minister Gideon Ezra. The campaign is meant to reduce the number of abandoned dogs and prevent the suffering of tens of thousands of homeless dogs. 

    The national campaign provides dog owners with the possibility to spay and neuter their dogs for a third of the conventional price. The campaign was initially accompanied by an information campaign on the importance of dog spaying and neutering, including radio broadcasts by actress and animal welfare activist Ms. Ornah Banai. 

    According to Dr. Deganit Ben Dov, the official responsible for the Animal Welfare Law in the Ministry of Agriculture, the campaign has proved to be an unprecedented success in terms of the enormous number of dogs that have been neutered and spayed since the campaign began just three months ago.

    To date, some 3031 females were spayed and 1802 males were neutered. Some 200 veterinarians have also joined the campaign. Dr. Yoni Litwin, chairperson of the Veterinary Association, stated that some veterinarians have reported an increase of hundreds of percentages in the number of dog owners asking to spay and neuter their dogs. 

    The Ministries of Agriculture and Environmental Protection allocated some 3 million shekels for the campaign, enabling the spaying and neutering of some 10,000 dogs. Dog owners who have not yet neutered or spayed their dogs are invited to contact participating veterinarians. 

    Hundreds of thousands of dogs are abandoned in Israel each year. Official estimates put the number at 50,000 while unofficial estimates relate to some 100,000 dogs. Most of these dogs are destined to die - either on the streets or through euthanasia in dog pounds. Neutering and spaying are the right and humane way to stop the vicious cycle of hundreds of thousands of births - and hundreds of thousands of needless deaths. 

    In light of the success of the campaign, Agricultural Minister Shalom Simhon has stated his intention to conduct the campaign next year as well.
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    I am not Jewish and I don't believe in Halachic Law.

    However, as an American, I feel that it is essential for us to preserve religious freedom from attack by the state. That is a basic American right, and when one right is compromised, all rights are threatened.

     My personal beliefs or opinions about another person's beliefs are irrelevant. The issue is that people should be free to live by their beliefs (also also their non-beliefs), without the threat of governmental interference.

     The laws affect animals' owners, who are commanded to spay and neuter their animals...and fined, penalized or subject to confiscation of their pets if they don't obey the law.

     Please think about it: You are defending Big Brother and encouraging the attack on the liberties of people.

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    I agree Eaglerock, I answered this topic a bit hastily but at this point in time I think the safety,overpopulation and health of our animals should also be considered.

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    i AM religious (but i'm just a simple Christian) and all i see here is a scapegoat. according to that article most people didnt even know it was against their religion to alter their pets.

    i do think Big Brother needs to be put in "his" place. but so do the puppy farmers, backyard breeders, and other jerks trying to make a buck.

     

    i dont want to see dog breedings BANNED.... but i would like to see it slow down to a more modern and practical pace. breeding animals should not be a business unless those animals are intended for my dinner plate. and i havent had any hankerings for Poodle With Noodles lately.....

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    AuroraLove

    Ugh ok but like most religions this idea is outdated. The Jewish religion also states that (Jacob, Moses ) the hunting of animals makes one evil.......really? Are ther eno jews who hunt or eat meat/ I think not. Its stupid, unhealthy and while it may be ideal its just not reality.

    IMHO It is usually a good idea to understand something before name calling.

    Traditional Jewish religious laws are based on the concept that one should not cause unneccessary cruelty to animals, and some laws are better for animals than US laws. (For example: By US law you can buy an animal even if you can't afford to care for it---under traditional Jewish religious rules you can't.)

    Orthodox Jews believe you shouldn't physically alter a pet without a genuine, legitimate need---so no declawing cats, no dogs with cropped ears/docked tails and no neutering because it would cause the animal needless pain. Look at it from this perspective: "why should I hurt my healthy female dog because there are idiots in my town who don't take care of their pets?"

    The bottom line: Starting with the Pilgrims, people immigrated here so they could practice their religions freely. There is no compelling reason to infringe upon their religious practices. There are other ways to address pet safety and overpopulation. 

    AuroraLove
    I really dislike organized religion. when are people gonna learn that you can be religious and spiritual without using your beliefs to be a bigot butt head, LOL.

    I fail to see how someone wanting to keep their own dog intact is "using your beliefs to be a bigot butt head" Are  you still talking about neutering pets?  Personally, I really dislike disorganized prejudice and bigotry of ALL kinds.Wink

    PS Hunting for food isn't evil. Hunting for SPORT is considered a bad thing. 

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    AuroraLove

    Ugh ok but like most religions this idea is outdated. The Jewish religion also states that (Jacob, Moses ) the hunting of animals makes one evil.......really? Are ther eno jews who hunt or eat meat/ I think not. Its stupid, unhealthy and while it may be ideal its just not reality.

    IMHO It is usually a good idea to understand something before name calling.

    Traditional Jewish religious laws are based on the concept that one should not cause unneccessary cruelty to animals, and some laws are better for animals than US laws. (For example: By US law you can buy an animal even if you can't afford to care for it---under traditional Jewish religious rules you can't.)

    Orthodox Jews believe you shouldn't physically alter a pet without a genuine, legitimate need---so no declawing cats, no dogs with cropped ears/docked tails and no neutering because it would cause the animal needless pain. Look at it from this perspective: "why should I hurt my healthy female dog because there are idiots in my town who don't take care of their pets?"

    The bottom line: Starting with the Pilgrims, people immigrated here so they could practice their religions freely. There is no compelling reason to infringe upon their religious practices.

     

    I don't care if people get non surgical altering if altering becomes the law, but they should still be required to do something to comply with the law if it passes in their area.  Call me a cynic, but I see a whole lot of wiggle room here for less than honest people not wanting to alter their dogs--the fact that I feel this way has nothing to do with what group is claiming religious freedom BTW, I'm Christian and if a group of Christians were saying this they would get the same reaction.