CVMA withdrawals support for AB1634

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

ORIGINAL: Xerxes




I encourage you to take a macro economics class because in this capitalist free market economy, where there is a demand, a supply will come.  (Look at illegal drugs- we ain't winning that war either.)

So according to your theory, we should void all drug laws which would be similar to not enacting AB1634,  and let the free market handle the drug problem?  You are joking aren't you. 

 
How many tons of coke and heroin come through the borders daily?  Drugs are a problem of supply and demand.  Puppies, no matter how unhealthy or what their origin are a problem of supply and demand as well.  The bill you support would encourage the smuggling and non-registration of puppies, as well as create a market for back alley vets.  All of which will happen under the very noses of those like you that support this bill, but cannot see the big picture-only the small picture.
 
I used drugs as a supply-demand example.  Drug laws can be enforced-in fact we've created a federal agency for that.  It doesn't save money, in fact it probably costs more money than it's worth.  The solution to the drug problem is to educate, just as the solution to the pet overpopulation problem is to educate.  Not to legislate.

Again, just scanning the anti posts that are on this thread, it becomes very clear that this is a " Breeders  vs AB1634" issue. Not once is there any mention of the countless number of dogs that won't have to face execution in shelters. It is all about, money, and special interest breeders.  What a shame, that the dogs that wind up dying in shelters in California, mean so little.  

just scanning the anti posts that are on this thread, it becomes very clear that this is a " Breeders vs AB1634" issue.

Mmm. Yes, I will admit my evil plan to dominate the world as a breeder. With my, let's see, zero litters produced so far in my lifetime.

And I will also confess to my underlying hatred for homeless animals, especially those on death row. Since I spend most of my free time devoted to saving and caring for such animals. You know, it's all just a coverup to throw people off to my real feelings. But you see right through my disguises, Bob.

I'm amazed at the depth of your antipathy, Bob. This law isn't going to fix the plight of dogs dying in shelters - similar laws enacted on local scales have demonstrated this principle pretty well. And as I said before, the force behind such measures must come locally. How on earth can a huge, heterogenous state like California make anything of this other than yet another excuse for bureaucratic expansion?

And yes, I am a California native and know intimately whereof I speak. It horrifies me to think that people like you are so passionately of the notion that this is a complete fix and that anyone who proposes alternatives, and opposes the impracticality of this kind of measure, is de facto evil and laughs gleefully at the thought of dogs being gassed in shelters in their millions. I desperately hope your extreme statements here are simply rhetorical in nature and not widely representative of those who wish to make this measure in California only a stepping stone to similar measures on a national scale.

Mmm. Yes, I will admit my evil plan to dominate the world as a breeder. With my, let's see, zero litters produced so far in my lifetime.

 
Becca count me with you on that one...though I had an entire litter aborted, and the bitch spayed.  We really need to get back into Dog Breeder 101, don't we? 

Yup. We suck. But, it's a great disguise for our evil plan for world domination.

By the way, your little sig line puzzle was driving my dyslexic self crazy - I finally gave up and used pencil and paper to figure it out. [sm=crazy.gif]

ORIGINAL: brookcove

Yup. We suck. But, it's a great disguise for our evil plan for world domination.

By the way, your little sig line puzzle was driving my dyslexic self crazy - I finally gave up and used pencil and paper to figure it out. [sm=crazy.gif]

 
One of these days, Becca, BCs and PHs will rule the world!  It might be a few hundred years though....
 
Oh and don't get too used to the sigline, I'm gonna change it soon.  If there's any problems just PM ME.  []

Bobsk8

janet_rose

I don't think any law that encourages people to drown newborn litters is at all funny.

Are you telling me that AB1634 encourages people to drown puppies? If so, where is that stated?

Not all the results of laws are stated in the bills themselves.  There is also the "law of unintended consequences".
 
The sensational things about AB1634 like $500 fines will really get around.  The fact that you could get the fine waived by spaying the bitch will be secondary information without near as much publicity.
 
If you have a litter of puppies and don't want (or can't afford) to spay your bitch or don't know the fine can be waived, what are you going to do with the puppies?  Taking the pups to a shelter may mean getting caught.  Selling the pups means advertising and maybe getting caught.  "Free puppy" signs could mean getting caught.  Word of mouth advertising could get you caught.
 
Would they get caught?  Probably not, but many people won't have any idea how little enforcement there will be and a few people would get caught.  So what is the easiest thing to do?
 
The same thing lots of people did before there were shelters and there were good ways to advertise pups.  They will drown the newborn pups and bury them.

Bobsk8

Not once is there any mention of the countless number of dogs that won't have to face execution in shelters.

There may be less new litters surrendered to the shelters, so less new puppies PTS.  That is the only difference AB1634 has any chance of making.  Frankly, I would rather see pups gently PTS in shelters than drowned.  Wouldn't you?

it becomes very clear that this is a " Breeders vs AB1634" issue.

i consider myself to be anti-ab1634.... none of our dogs have ever been bred. nor do we have plans of breeding dogs in the future. sydney (adopted from the local humane society) is neutered. amelia (adopted from a local rescue) is spayed. as soon as emma (our freeby pup who we have already encountered significant vet bills just trying to get her healthy) will be spayed as soon as our vets thinks the time is right. thankfully there are no laws here to force us to have her spayed before our vet thinks it is appropriate.

we had two cats that died last year, both were spayed. one was adopted from the aspca in northern ca by my wife. the other was a stray we took in. with our stray we waited until our vet thought it was appropriate to have her spayed. she had some health problems that had to be taken into consideration before she was spayed. if we would have been forced to have her spayed by law (instead of waiting until she was healthy), she could have died during the surgery.

i would say it is more common sense vs. lack of reason.