Why do owners who retire their show dog rehome them???

    • Gold Top Dog
    I understand, mp, but to generalize as to the "whys" of breeders rehoming is just as capricious. 
     
    The breeder/handlers rehome because of varying needs and because they care for the welfare of the dogs. 
     
    Those that breed for show are not all the uncaring creatures that they are being painted as on this thread.  Some are, to be sure, but most that I've met are not.  They may not have the time or wherewithal to care for the dogs in the manner they would like the dogs to be cared for, so they give those dogs a chance at a new life, a chance to have a family life.  Is that wrong? 
     
    Ask the people that have "rehomed" retired champions in their households if it was wrong for them to get those dogs.
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    I'm only thinking about those who intentionally keep a rotating stock of "useful" dogs and get rid of them when the dogs are no longer useful. Yes, far better for the dog to be rehomed than ignored, but in my naive little world I'd like to see dogs in forever homes - whether they are show dogs or street rescues.


    I'm not really sure how I feel about these scenarios.  I think PWCA makes an excellent point, that ethical, professional breeders are not just responsible for individual dogs but for the breed as a whole.  Now, my experience is limited to German Shepherd breeders, but most of the breeders I've found that are routinely re-homing older, retired dogs happen to be kennels producing top working dogs and dogs for police departments, the military, and other protection work or work like drugs and bombs.  These are not pet quality dogs and are from lines intending to work, not be a companion while they are still of working age.  One particular kennel I in mind would have a fraction of the amount of dogs and many police departments would have to find a new breeder (in fact, the breeder I have in mind actually supplies my local PD).  The reality is that not all purebred dogs are bred and raised to be pets.  They are born to work work work! and then when working is too much of a strain, they are retired to new homes.  It's not really a matter of their kennel not wanting them or not caring for them, but the kennel's primary responsibility is to maintain a breeding program that produces top working dogs, not nurture dogs in their old age and leave police departments to have to import their dogs.
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    ORIGINAL: Liesje
    The reality is that not all purebred dogs are bred and raised to be pets.  They are born to work work work! and then when working is too much of a strain, they are retired to new homes.


    I have nothing to back this up other than an occasional article or a tv blurp.  Isn't the handler of the police dog given first option to take in a retired dog.  And why is that?  Because the dog is bonded to the human and the human is bonded with the dog.
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    ORIGINAL:

    Ask the people that have "rehomed" retired champions in their households if it was wrong for them to get those dogs.

     
    Consider the dog who has already bonded with the original owner.
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    Isn't the handler of the police dog given first option to take in a retired dog. And why is that? Because the dog is bonded to the human and the human is bonded with the dog.


    My understanding is that this is correct, but it's not automatically what every officer does.  If their dog retires and they are a K9 unit, they need another working dog.  If they get another working dog, they may not have time to give the right attention to the retired dog.  I watched a documentary on this once and an officer's dog had been injured or something - don't remember exactly - but the dog could no longer work and was very, very unhappy being a pet in the man's home.  He tried for a long time but the dog just wasn't happy so he re-homed it to a place where it was happy.
    • Gold Top Dog

    ORIGINAL: DPU

    ORIGINAL:

    Ask the people that have "rehomed" retired champions in their households if it was wrong for them to get those dogs.


    Consider the dog who has already bonded with the original owner.


    You will never be able to convince me that my family's first dog was unhappy in our home. She could hear my mom or dad's car from 3 blocks away. She would run circles around our coffee table, tail wagging, smiling...the happiest I have *ever* seen a dog. She was worlds happier with us than she was with her breeder.
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    ORIGINAL: Liesje

    Isn't the handler of the police dog given first option to take in a retired dog. And why is that? Because the dog is bonded to the human and the human is bonded with the dog.


    My understanding is that this is correct, but it's not automatically what every officer does.  If their dog retires and they are a K9 unit, they need another working dog.  If they get another working dog, they may not have time to give the right attention to the retired dog.  I watched a documentary on this once and an officer's dog had been injured or something - don't remember exactly - but the dog could no longer work and was very, very unhappy being a pet in the man's home.  He tried for a long time but the dog just wasn't happy so he re-homed it to a place where it was happy.



    Brings up another point.  The dog has not only bonded with the handler but has a job to do and wants to do it.  Rehoming may not satisfy that need and behavioral problems arise. 

    A good example is my avatar, Lady a Field Pointer.  Served her usefullness and then was discarded.  After being discarded and losing her human bonds, her pack bonds, and her job, the dog was a mess.  Only after months of rehab and reacquainting the dog with its job, did Lady finally turn.  She was rehomed into a hunting family and a fellow pointer.
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    ORIGINAL: TheSchmee

    You will never be able to convince me that my family's first dog was unhappy in our home. She could hear my mom or dad's car from 3 blocks away. She would run circles around our coffee table, tail wagging, smiling...the happiest I have *ever* seen a dog. She was worlds happier with us than she was with her breeder.

     
    No doubt your family's first dog was the happiest situation the dog has been in.  Dogs are resilient and adapt very well to new situation given that their needs are met.  The transition can be very hard on the dog.  I don't understand why people knowingly would have a dog they know is going to be rehomed after the dog has served its usefullness.
     
    Most on this forum says don't support the BYB or ;puppy mills.  Why is this different?   
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    ORIGINAL: DPU

    I have no problem with breeders and what they do. 


    It kind of seems like you do. That IS the topic of this thread. So if you don't have a problem with breeders rehoming show dogs then why are you posting off-topic gripes here?
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    ORIGINAL: Luvntzus


    ORIGINAL: DPU

    I have no problem with breeders and what they do. 


    It kind of seems like you do. That IS the topic of this thread. So if you don't have a problem with breeders rehoming show dogs then why are you posting off-topic gripes here?

     
    Please reread the title. 
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    ORIGINAL: DPU

    ORIGINAL: Luvntzus


    ORIGINAL: DPU

    I have no problem with breeders and what they do. 


    It kind of seems like you do. That IS the topic of this thread. So if you don't have a problem with breeders rehoming show dogs then why are you posting off-topic gripes here?


    Please reread the title. 


    Right, but I didn't say the TITLE of the thread, I said the TOPIC. The original post is about a person that bred the dog three times, doesn't that make them a breeder?
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: dogsRkewl

    I've recently come across a dog that is being rehomed because the owner is retiring it as a show dog which was then used for breeding.  Apparently the dog has had three litters and so the owner's won't breed her anymore, which is good.  She apparently has born some champs....


    Luvntzus, Do you think it is ok for the "owner" to rehome after the dog has been 'showed out' and 'breedout'?  We are also talking about working and sport dogs.  That is the topic.
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    ORIGINAL: DPU

    ORIGINAL: dogsRkewl

    I've recently come across a dog that is being rehomed because the owner is retiring it as a show dog which was then used for breeding.  Apparently the dog has had three litters and so the owner's won't breed her anymore, which is good.  She apparently has born some champs....


    Luvntzus, Do you think it is ok for the "owner" to rehome after the dog has been 'showed out' and 'breedout'?  We are also talking about working and sport dogs.  That is the topic.


    This doesn't have anything to do with my feelings on rehoming. I was simply curious why you would say that you have no problem with what breeders do when you obviously do have a problem with it.
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    ORIGINAL: dogsRkewl

    If anyone is familiar with a situation where a dog has been rehomed from a life of showing and breeding (only 3 litters), what negatives/positives should I expect from this?  I have no idea what temperament a dog must have to have been shown.  Thanks!!

     
    I don't now if anyone's actually bothered to answer your question here so I'll take a stab. Show dogs are expected to be comfortable in noisy busy places. They are trained to pay attention to their handlers and stand quitely while being examined by a judge. Most are used to travel car and air both many times...they are used to being up on a table for grooming many times...and the usual grooming things done for that breed. Most have been bathed enough that they know what water is lol...many might not like it but most tolerate it very well. Most are used to their mouths and "privates" being touched because a judge will do those things. Depending on the show person's training style they might be used to eliminating on command "go potty' or might not be potty trained whatsoever...I've seen both. Most have been taken to shows since a young age and as a result do pretty decently in new situations. They might have a handler or be owner handled only. Those used to handlers are probably used to random people holding thier leash and asking things of them. [;)]
     
    Breeding bitches can be tetchy around puppies as a result of knowing how sharp puppy teeth are LOL! others see puppies as only wonderful things and are drawn to them and tolerate endless nonsense! Some can develop the bad habit of poop eating if they've cleaned up after litters...so there's one bad thing. Bitches that've had litters can have noticeable teats "frills" as they're called and these are worth mentioning as in some breeds the difference is quite marked. [;)]
     
    A lot of the temperament aspects will be specific to the breed and breeders expectations of their dogs.
     
    In short a well bred show dog that has been bred should be heavily socialized and mature...they should be used to a certain amount of change because every weekend was a new adventure for them [;)]
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