Hunting dogs

My Dad used to duck and pheasant hunt with his Springer. We always ate what he killed (which honestly, wasn't alot). My Dad liked to take the dog and "walk the gun in the woods". His Springer LOVED flushing and retrieving! During hunting season his dog was thin (not really like the ones you descibed though) and during the off season he was a normal (maybe even 5lbs over) weight.

What I don't get is hunters who hunt racoons, foxes, coyotes....what do they do with the animal? Do the eat them?????

BlackLabbie

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What I don't get is hunters who hunt racoons, foxes, coyotes....what do they do with the animal? Do the eat them?????

Waaaaay back in the day they did - they're smarter now, most do not eat coons foxes or coyotes.

Now, you can get paid by the government(in certin areas) to shoot, kill, and turn in certin wild animals(coyotes, coons, and possums mostly). $5 a pelt was the going rate last I heard. Some hunters tan and skin the hide, make gloves, hats, ect. And sell it. You'd be suprised who actually wants a coon-skin cap nowa days. LOL

yeah, the ones I know who hunt cyotes don't eat them, but are clearing them out- 50% of what they get are so mange covered they no longer have fur and are just suffering.  They get paid by the pelt, but not much, it's more or less for fun and to keep the numbers down so we don't loose as many chickens, baby goats/lambs, etc to hungry cyotes at night.

Hubby hunts coons for extra income, they are horribly rampant here, but we don't use the dogs for that, he just spotlights at night or gets calls from other farmers who have them in the barns or corn cribs.  They are paying 20.00 per pelt for those right now, so it is worth the hunt and the late night loss of sleep to do it.  And they carry diseases and cause so much damage that we don't feel bad about it.

Izzaboo - they're paying TWENTY BUCKS for a coon skin!?!?! Dude, I need to grow some tougher skin and move that way. LOL. I can't kill an animal. =p On the note of diseases, thats why they are paying for them - keep the diseases down and hopefully control the out-of-control population. It's a good thing for the most part - I just hate when someone kills a momma coon and the babies starve. I think death should be as pain-less as possible.

mudpuppy

Hog rodeos sound horrible- why are they legal?-

Hawg Dawg Rodeos are NOT legal.  This is a rough post for sensitive people so please be forewarned.  Like Dog Fights and Rooster fighting  ( sorry mods I was not thinking about the double meaning of the "other" word) . They are nasty and dangerous places.  You arrive and think it is a picninky  day in the country thing till it begins. They have kegs set up , or cash bars of a sort . you can , from what I am told buy a lot of drugs there too , but most people attending are in it because it is a Blood Sport and they are adreneline overloads. From the folks I know who have gone, it is described as a weird version of Vegas. Hospitality and drinks, music and betting but no neon lights , Buffets or valet parking.  Some one's farm, acreage or even a simple old barn are normally used. They are floating events and you will not know the location untill the day of the Rodeo. If the police or game wardens show up they like to have enough acrage for as many folks to run off into woods, corn , cotton fields... Invitation only with consideration offered to the person who brought you , better odds, forgiveness on a debt or even working their dog into the roster.  They call them Hawg Dawg because there is a bizzare defiance to the red necky title.  Unlike Bevolasvegas' account they rarely use a sow with piglets.  When they get one with Babies they wait till she has weaned them to establish if she is a decent potential breeder. If she is they turn her loose on their hunting property or retain her in an isolated area to help produce as many Feral bars as she can.If she isn't they may use the runt pig in the manner mentioned.  Rather than kick start the fight from her protective instincts they use cattle prods, chain or crate wildly barking dogs close by , the animal is made as miserable as possible. Prior to being released in the arena they are shocked with the prod a few times at a lowered setting  to terrorize them and often cut to increase the animal's fear and rage. The dogs upon entering the ring will now face a wild animal who has never been touched with kindness, has been hurt and is bleeding.  They prefer to use a boar. The tusks are bigger and they are deeply muscled protecting the throat to a certain degree.  And allowing them to throw the 60 + pound fighting dogs about like cheese puffs.

Makes you ill doesn't it??  sigh

Bonita of Bwana

misstrouble

Waaaaay back in the day they did - they're smarter now, most do not eat coons foxes or coyotes.

Now, you can get paid by the government(in certin areas) to shoot, kill, and turn in certin wild animals(coyotes, coons, and possums mostly). $5 a pelt was the going rate last I heard. Some hunters tan and skin the hide, make gloves, hats, ect. And sell it. You'd be suprised who actually wants a coon-skin cap nowa days. LOL

I think if your going to hunt coyotes in an over populated area(by both deer and coyotes) you should only be allowed to kill the sickly looking ones(mange, starving, ect). It'd keep the healthy animals healthy, and while being healthy - they forum better packs and can take down a deer much easier then a pack with/of sickly coyotes.

Am I making sense?

have pity on the game warden. you would NOT want his job, trust me. it sounds like a case of "damned if you do, damned if you dont".... too many deer is as bad as too many coyotes, and too few of one will effect the actions of the other. its a delicate balance! 

As for the OP, the breed of hounds sounds like Walkers to me.. or walker mixes.

they are versitle and will hunt anything you train it to. i know of walkers mixed with pitbulls to make "bay dogs" which can scent and trail a hog and is still game enough to catch one.. sometimes with these hounds the deer was already shot, has run off, and the dogs are brought out to trail it. i have heard of people using walkers to actually catch a wounded deer much like a grey hound in the old days. i dont know if thats true or not. i dont trust my sources in that area. Basicaly the dog will do what ever you tell it too... anything from deer, coons, coyotes, rabbits, etc. and so on.

its true they do tend to have a hard time keeping weight on them. i had a PET redbone coonhound and she was always a skinny minnie because of her activity level. and yes many of them arent properly cared for, sometimes its the bare minimum if that. it just depends on the owner and his level of knowledge and compassion. where i live i often times will see a stray walker or beagle roaming down our road during this time of year. the problem with these dogs is they dont often come to just anyone who whistles... that includes the owner! my dad's hunting partner lost a big walker dog one hunting season. he spent several days looking for this dog before giving up.. a year later he found him in the same woods he lost him in. the guy thought he could go up and grab his dog and put him in the truck. wrong. the hound turned around and chomped on his hand and ran away again..... 

jdata

misstrouble

Waaaaay back in the day they did - they're smarter now, most do not eat coons foxes or coyotes.

Now, you can get paid by the government(in certin areas) to shoot, kill, and turn in certin wild animals(coyotes, coons, and possums mostly). $5 a pelt was the going rate last I heard. Some hunters tan and skin the hide, make gloves, hats, ect. And sell it. You'd be suprised who actually wants a coon-skin cap nowa days. LOL

See that does not make sense in PA on why they let that happen. The game warden complains about the "overpopulation" of deer yet allows "blood lusting" killing of coyotes. There is a guy here willing to take your dog if you think it is can hunt coyotes and he comes back killing 20-50 of them! Yet, coyotes do hunt in packs up here killing deer! Someone please clue me on why the PA game warden's logic of getting predators that can curb the deer population to be killed. The last several years the Game commission complained that they are not enough hunters to curb the population. Their gimmick of getting new hunters failed.

The problem is that the packs of coyotes are likely not just hunting deer, but peoples' animals too.  Livestock and pets are much easier to snag then deer, and predators generally go for the meals that they think are the easiest.......

 i agree with SillySally, a lone coyote is bad enough, but a pack of them is lethal. a pack of coyotes can tag team a st. bernard, a full grown cow, as well as terrorize a town. theres some members in here from New Mexico that will attest to that.

sillysally

The problem is that the packs of coyotes are likely not just hunting deer, but peoples' animals too.  Livestock and pets are much easier to snag then deer, and predators generally go for the meals that they think are the easiest.......

 

Having grown up in California I knew Coyotes and later coydogs...   Both were often bad news. In our last home out west we had a very large corner lot on the rim of a greenbelt. We would often hear neighbors stories of losing their small pets because the Coyotes got them. One would make small animal noises on the outside of your fence to lure the smaller dogs and cats out.. that one was really shocked when he met Bwana our throw back boy who was nearly 140 lbs of predator eater. While  or light colored cats had better be house pets or they would not last long.

When we moved to Alabama I realized there were very few Coyote here , that was over 25 years ago. As the years have gone by we began to see so many animals begin a mirgation out here. The occasional armadillo is very common now and farmers struggle with coyote like you would not believe. They don't simply harrass stock they love to eat produce. Cantalopes , melons, tomatoes and even strawberries , still on the vine but the heart eaten out of them just for a snack.  They can have a huge economic impact on a small farm.

Bonita of Bwana

Bonita of Bwana

They can have a huge economic impact on a small farm.

 

That's why every farmer needs a Maremma or two. 

Benedict

Bonita of Bwana

They can have a huge economic impact on a small farm.

 

 

That's why every farmer needs a Maremma or two. 

That would be a sight to see! lol