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So, a majority of the voters who voted agreed with not ending the predator control and Palin committed the aggregious crime of doing what the voters asked. Interesting.

Actually, it's easy to pick on Palin. She, unlike one other candidate, has taken action in government, and suffered the slings and arrows for it.

And I had forgotten the reason behind the check people get from Alaska. That was Palin's idea, too, to help offset the fuel costs for the average family, much like hers. So, she helps the common man and woman, too. Interesting.

And she believes in abstinence yet handles compassionately when that doesn't happen. Sounds like an example we all can follow.

I believe my responses cover the invitation for me to do research. It was done by you. Thanks, D. I did read the linked page.

So, we should also reject the voters of Alaska who decided to let the state continue with the predator control program, just as we should reject Palin for heeding their voice. It sounds like a rampant democracy under the guidance of Palin.

There's one question I'd like to ask all the rabid, ani-abortion right to lifers .... Where is all your concern for the "right to life" after the babies are born?  What are you doing to insure that these babies have homes?  How many of you have stepped up and offered to adopt? Basically, they want to punish the mother twice.  Deny her an abortion to punish her for getting pregnant and cut back on any welfare or aid to punish her for daring to have another baby.  They can't win.

Joyce

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I'm extremely pro-life and am not out to "punish" anyone for "daring" to do anything. And actually, my parents adopted my brother. And I plan to adopt.  Way to shove everyone into the same category.

cyclefiend2000

 

What the heck were the sixties all about??

 

getting high?

Being 3 years to 13 years...I guess it was Bozo, Captain Kangaroo, Johnny Quest, The Monkees and Bobby Sherman.....  Oh OH wait David Cassidy was in there some where.. Tiger Beat Magazine. My first boy girl party, being able in California to wear Pantsuits to school  and once a month Jeans .  Wearing Gymsuits that would emabarass an ardvark .   Having a white poster princess bedroom set with purple flouncey bedding.  My folks getting divorced ( Thank God)  figuring out Santa AND the Easter Bunny were part of a maternal conspiracy.  Having the mumps, chicken pox and measles with 4 of my siblings.  Black and White TV for most of that time. One telephone in the house always in the kitchen.  One TV in our house.  Being able to stay out till the street lights came on. The Bread man and Milk man delivered to our front door. School lunch cost 35 cents and the best one was always Friday , Fish sticks, Tartar sauce, green beans, Potatoes Au Gratin and chocolate pudding. Milk was only white, chocolate did not come into the schools till Jr High.  Our Yearly school field trip to DisneyLand where you bought a book of tickets for something like 15.00 and the "E"  Ticket was the Matahorn and became code for the BEST ride at any park.

For the Hubs , it was the End  of Innocence, he signed with the Dodgers and played with Tommy La Sorda before Tommy was "Tommy"  It was wife number one a high school sweetheart and a rough , rough tour in Viet Nam as a Chopper Evac Pilot.  Returning home to find himself spit on by his country and divorced by the first wife,  Remarried the widow of a close friend who was very pregnant , adopting her child and working on their own. Going to college on his VA while working two jobs.  The Beach Boys, Jan and Dean, Surfer Music   Life in the 60s were NOT all about Woodstock, getting high and cruising....

Have to admit I am adicted to  Mad Men !! 

Bonita of Bwana

ron2

And I had forgotten the reason behind the check people get from Alaska. That was Palin's idea, too, to help offset the fuel costs for the average family, much like hers. So, she helps the common man and woman, too. Interesting.

Umm, I don't think so!

Permanent Fund

The Alaska Permanent Fund is a legislatively controlled appropriation established in 1976 to manage a surplus in state petroleum revenues from the recently constructed Trans-Alaska Pipeline System. From its initial principal of $734,000, the fund has grown to $38 billion as a result of oil royalties and capital investment programs.^[38] Starting in 1982, dividends from the fund's annual growth have been paid out each year to eligible Alaskans, ranging from $331.29 in 1984 to $1963.86 in 2000. Every year, the state legislature takes out 8 percent from the earnings, puts 3 percent back into the principal for inflation proofing, and the remaining 5 percent is distributed to all qualifying Alaskans. To qualify for the Alaska State Permanent Fund one must have lived in the state for a minimum of 11 months, and maintain constant residency. ^[39]

^^^^ Thank you Truley.  "Can you say Socialist????  I knew that you could!"  ;)   I wonder if she'd say "Thanks but no thanks" to the dividend checks?  She claims that Alaskans want to "share the wealth of our natural resources" with the rest of the US to reduce our dependency on evil regimes overseas, will they share their oil royalties with us too? 

ETA: I bought a book when I was visiting there this year about living in AK because I really would like to move back there someday.  It joked about the sales of snowmobiles and rifles skyrocketing when the checks are distributed. 

fuzzy_dogs_mom

There's one question I'd like to ask all the rabid, ani-abortion right to lifers .... Where is all your concern for the "right to life" after the babies are born?  What are you doing to insure that these babies have homes?  How many of you have stepped up and offered to adopt? Basically, they want to punish the mother twice.  Deny her an abortion to punish her for getting pregnant and cut back on any welfare or aid to punish her for daring to have another baby.  They can't win.

Joyce

 Rabid anti abortion? Wow sorry but you sound a bit more rabid with your post than any pro-life position I have seen yet in this thread. And you make the assumption that those of us who believe in life care nothing for the babies and because you believe that you are suggesting that it is therefore better to kill them.

 I happen to know a ton of people who have adopted. My DH and I contribute to a fund to assist in paying for adoption costs for couples seeking to adopt. And the sad truth of this is that there are not enough babies here in the US for the amount of couples who wish to adopt them. Many end up going out of country to adopt. After all here in the US we terminate unwanted pregnancies.

dgriego

 I happen to know a ton of people who have adopted. My DH and I contribute to a fund to assist in paying for adoption costs for couples seeking to adopt. And the sad truth of this is that there are not enough babies here in the US for the amount of couples who wish to adopt them. Many end up going out of country to adopt. After all here in the US we terminate unwanted pregnancies.

**popping in to clarify that there are not enough white babies in the US to adopt.  There is an abundance of adoptable black children languishing in foster care.  The offspring of those women who either didn't abort, couldn't abort, or who were too addicted to abort or provide proper care.***

Carry on. 

I apologize to anyone who took my post personally or thought I was referring to anyone on the forum.  I guess I should have been more specific.  I was referring to the "politicians" who are so quick to deny women their choices, yet  can't seem to put their money where their mouths are when it comes to taking  care of the many unwanted kids in society.

Joyce

BCMixs

**popping in to clarify that there are not enough white babies in the US to adopt.  There is an abundance of adoptable black children languishing in foster care.  The offspring of those women who either didn't abort, couldn't abort, or who were too addicted to abort or provide proper care.***

Carry on. 

 Yes as a matter of fact a white couple in our church have two of these lovely black children, they are adopted which again clarifies my position that many pro life people are doing something about the children that are unwanted.

BCMixs

**popping in to clarify that there are not enough white babies in the US to adopt.  There is an abundance of adoptable black children languishing in foster care.  The offspring of those women who either didn't abort, couldn't abort, or who were too addicted to abort or provide proper care.***

Carry on. 

Tangent, I know. But this is just an issue that hits close to home, This is the last contribution,on or off topic, I'll make on this post... ..

Is there a source for this? Not enough white babies to adopt? So...there are there no white children in foster care or wards  of the state at the moment? Not everyone who adopts is set on a "white child" - there are many families of other ethnicities wanting to adopt, and not all wite families are so stupid as to be set on only a white child. My brother is Hispanic, my parents and I are white. I know many interracial families as well via adoption.

I mean, better dead than in foster care, right? My SO grew up in total,complete, can't-afford-a-gallon-of-milk poverty. His parents were eighth-grade dropout drug addicts living off of welfare. They abused him in a variety of ways when they weren't ignoring him. Technically speaking, they were unfit to care for a child and should have aborted him. And he ended up pulling himself out of the dirt and is now an extremely stable, happy, and successful a master's student.

Not everyone can do this, but is it better to assume a child could not, and decide that it is better they never be born? A person who could make something of themselves is not allowed the opportunity to do that, or to even try, because a larger percentage of people would have very rough lives?

Joyce has an excellent point.  Children who end up born to mothers who shouldn't be mothers end up in foster care, and the foster care system in this country can be pretty darned awful.  I know people who do foster care to pay their mortgage, crack ho mothers who consider their children a source of income, foster homes that are horrible, foster parents who are worse than the biological ones.......

I've been a foster parent to human children.  The system is woefully under funded and understaffed.  The states must operate under the federal mandate of reuniting the biological family, regardless of what kind of "parents" those people are.  We had a little girl who was returned to her "mother" and later murdered by the womans "flavor of the week" live in boyfriend who had a criminal record for violent behavior and who was also an addict.  But, the government doesn't have a right to tell that "mother" who she can subject her children to once they are returned to her home......but it should have a right to tell her that the child MUST be born??????

I personally HATE the use of abortion as belated birth control.  Keep your legs closed.  Use something to prevent pregnancy.....but I DON'T GET TO DECIDE what others can and can't do, I don't get to judge or make those decisions for them, nor should our government.  I deplore the extinguishing of life, but no one put me on this earth to judge others and their decisions.

I agree that we are focusing on stuff that really isn't all that "big" in the overall scheme of things.  But all we hear about Palin is her stance on hunting, abortion, family values and the bridge to nowhere.  The campaigne hasn't allowed her to speak independently, to stump without McCain, to be within earshot of the press, other than the cameras.

WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF????????

This woman was a sportscaster.  She knows how to speak to an open mic without tripping over her tongue so it isn't her presentation they are worried about, it's what she might say.

Any person who is so green, so inexperienced, so whatever, that his or her own party is afraid to let her open her mouth without a script, well, by golly, that person should NOT be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office.

dgriego

Here you are defending a bunch of wolves, basing your votes on the treatment of wolves and yet fighting like a lion to terminate babies and then having the audacity to label anyone coming from the other side as rabid!

 I guess I don't understand how a person's "compassion" ends at human embryos while beign so brutally barbaric towards other species.  The photo being shown on the news of her sitting next to a bloody, dead caribou, so proud of her conquest, makes me sick.

I guess neither side looks very good when you really look at it.

In terms of abortion, I think the message being missed by those that are against it, is that most of us that support choice don't agree with some of the reasons for abortion. I personally could not do it, but I respect another woman's right to have a choice to do what she feels is best for herself. Not me, not you and certainly not the governments business, it really isn't. Why can't you see that? The government invades our lives daily and you want to let them now decide whether or not you should have have a child?? What's next? Outlawing birth control? Hell women working for a big box store had to fight to get the company to include BC on their health plan to get it paid for, now that is bad!

And as for adoption, why do people have to go to other countries for babies? What's wrong with the older children, the 4 and 5 years old taken from their parents? Or abandoned? Who's parents died? Guess they are not good enough, might as well call it the "I want a puppy" syndrome.

Truley

In terms of abortion, I think the message being missed by those that are against it, is that most of us that support choice don't agree with some of the reasons for abortion. I personally could not do it, but I respect another woman's right to have a choice to do what she feels is best for herself. Not me, not you and certainly not the governments business, it really isn't. Why can't you see that? The government invades our lives daily and you want to let them now decide whether or not you should have have a child?? What's next? Outlawing birth control? Hell women working for a big box store had to fight to get the company to include BC on their health plan to get it paid for, now that is bad!

Bravo, Truley!  Excellent points.  I think there are way too many people who honestly don't understand  the difference between "pro choice" and "pro abortion."  They are NOT the same thing at all. Many of us who are pro choice would not even consider abortion for ourselves .... we just don't  think the government should be making womens choices for them.

Joyce