Obama said what?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/from-the-fact-1.html

spiritdogs

Without a teleprompter, George Bush dies faster, and in eight years, he has never learned to say n-u-c-l-e-a-r correctly!!!  Apparently, that didn't get in the way of you supporting him, since it's readily apparent that you have a lot of disdain for the democrat whose name you seem to have forgotten.   Your point about the man's comment would have been far more salient had you avoided falling in to the trap of couching it in racism, which is what the "B. Hussein Obama" designation suggests. 

This isn't about Bush.....

I am not against that idiot from Illinois because he is black or his muslim name.....I am against his political platform. OTOH, I really like Condoleezza Rice, ooops, look she is black.

spiritdogs

 I think it was Pogo who said, "We have met the enemy and he is us."

Bingo! I personally think there are way too many people in our country who have no clue, nor do they care to educate themselves. That is shameful. With the privilege of being an American, comes the responsibility to be an educated citizen.

That includes understanding that a name does not a religious affiliation make. One of my college roommates is Pakistani - American (she was the first person in her family born here). She cried just as much as the rest of us on 9/11, felt the same sadness and fear, and also cried because she knew she was watching the destruction of her religion's credibility in the western world at the hands of fundamentalists. She also says the pledge of allegiance and puts her hand over her heart when the national anthem is played. She is an American,  and she happens to be Muslim.

Every religion has fundamentalist. To judge any religion based on a small portion of its population is nothing short of ignorant.

If you don't understand the Koran, read it. If you don't know the history of the middle east, it's time you go to the local public library. Stop letting fear and ignorance make up your mind for you and take control of the situation. If after educating yourself, you still want to distrust all Muslims, well that is your choice, but frankly I would be surprised if an educated mind draws that conclusion.

Truley, the article is interesting, and I have no doubt that there could be a reduction in fuel consumption with properly inflated tires, and a well tuned car. Why don't we take it to point of having emission testing in every state.Here in NC emission testing is required and that provides well running cars. But, oops, wait......not all folks who drive a POS want emission testing, that would cost too much money for the individual POS owner who really doesn't want to spend that kind of money on a well tuned car. Most if my relatives live in Michigan and report that emission testing would go against their wishes.

Liesje, you live in Michigan, how would you like to take your car in for emission testing once a year? Remember, it cost some money to keep an older car running right.

Pit_Pointer_Aussie

If you don't understand the Koran, read it

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It's the culture and exreme end of it that concerns me. I am really disturbed by how women get treated in the muslim based countries.

snownose

Liesje, you live in Michigan, how would you like to take your car in for emission testing once a year? Remember, it cost some money to keep an older car running right.

I don't really care either way, I guess.  My POS already goes in several times a year for much more expensive repairs, so it makes no difference to me if the mechanic runs an additional test or two.  I don't know much of anything about cars, so I can't pretend to know what is best for the environment or safest for me.  When I get a good car I plan on keeping up with repairs and routine things, so I can keep the car for maybe ten years and maximize the value.  It's like my bike, right now the chain keeps slipping and I could point fingers at whoever sold it to me or the brand, but the reality is I haven't kept it up like I should so I can't expect to put hundreds of miles on it each week without problems if I don't tune it up or pay someone else to keep it in good repair.

This thread has reminded me to check my tires, I'm pretty sure they are underinflated and I don't have an air compressor for a car so I'm bringing it to get pumped this weekend. 

Again, I don't think Obama's point was that dollar for dollar, barrel for barrel the amount of gas saved by keeping a car in good repair equals what could be brought in with more drilling.  I think the point was that a lot of people are pointing fingers and calling for more drilling when they don't realize that would take a decade to make a positive impact meanwhile there are very simply things we can all do to help maximize fuel efficiency.  The point is to get people thinking about how they can take control over their own driving habits, then maybe we wouldn't need to depend on more and more drilling of a finite resource. 

snownose

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I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't care if it was said, I have heard much worse.

Liesje

The point is to get people thinking about how they can take control over their own driving habits, then maybe we wouldn't need to depend on more and more drilling of a finite resource. 

You bring up a good point....

Do you need to drive to agility or any other kind of dog related program. Do I need to take an Excursion loaded with dogs to an area by a river that my dogs just love? Many folks without dogs could easily bring that up.......where does it stop.

Just to give a heads up most POS cars would not pass emission testing. If a car fails emission testing it doesn't run efficiently enough.

Liesje

If race is NOT the issue at all, why is he referred to by his middle name?  Why did previous posters openly admit they would not vote for him because some of his family are Muslim?  Why would ANYONE even bring that kind of attention to themselves (referring to him by his middle name) if it has nothing to do with race?  Is it some secret code, calling people by their middle names? 

  I believe in this case his name has nothing to do with his race and is more about religion. Yes there are good muslims and not all are terrorists but quite a few of them are doing a lot of damge and these types seem to be taking over the faith while the peaceful ones really sit back and do nothing .

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

I do not think Obama is a closet Muslim nor an Al Queda sleeper cell, but many people do have a problem with his ties to Islam and the fact that he has not been very open and forthright regarding those ties.

 Omar Ghaddafi calls him "My Brother Obama".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSemkPChvHo&eurl=http://www.hcsfjm.com/

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Not sure if you are a Christian or not (and it doesn't matter to me either way), but I am always surprised when Christians make comments like this because it shows how little they understand about the Koran, and in turn, Islam.The Koran talks about the same events as the Bible. It talks about the whole first testament, and Jesus as a prophet. It has a lot in common with other major religious texts.

It's the culture and exreme end of it that concerns me. I am really disturbed by how women get treated in the muslim based countries.

That, at least, is a real reason. I think a lot of people are put off by those things, and that is fine, so long as you understand them. 

Snownose, I think you are confused about equating emissions testing with mileage.  They really have nothing at all to do with one another.

I have a relative who has an 18 year old Honda Civic.  Last year it needed some work to pass the emissions test, but it was getting 40 mpgs running around town.  It still got 40 mpgs following the emission test.  One has little or nothing to do with the other.

Apples and oranges.

Myra

Snownose, I think you are confused about equating emissions testing with mileage.  They really have nothing at all to do with one another.

I have a relative who has an 18 year old Honda Civic.  Last year it needed some work to pass the emissions test, but it was getting 40 mpgs running around town.  It still got 40 mpgs following the emission test.  One has little or nothing to do with the other.

Apples and oranges.

That is your example.

I was told by a mechanic working for a dealership that most older POS cars would not pass and the fuel air mixture is off and most of them run too rich. BTW., foreign cars do run better longer.

If we don't drill we'll just hand it over to the Chinese. The good ole number of 10 for oil to enter the market is only a myth and applied under severe conditions like Alaska, some experts say the number could be cut in half.

Article on the Chinese drilling involvement:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html

Cassidys Mom

I never said it was a conspiracy. But she said everyone. Does she know everyone? Does anyone know everyone? So she got the idea from somewhere, opinions come from somewhere, yes? Referring to his supporters as cult-like, that they think he's a messiah, and that their enthusiasm is creepy, is just a way for his detractors to dismiss his obvious popularity as something negative. Eh, I think they're just jealous that Democrats have someone to vote FOR in this election instead of just against. Many Republicans are less than enthused about their candidate.

BTW, the part about how Obama wouldn't be where he is if he weren't black - that's straight from the lips of Rush Limbaugh. I'm sure he's not the only one saying it though.

I also said *in MY opinion* - people support Obama because of his celebrity image. And of course there are people that support Obama for legit reasons, but all of the people I've asked who voted for Obama over Clinton couldn't name ONE difference between the two candidates! One answer I got was "Obama makes better speeches". And the people I've spoken to cannot give good, legit reasons why they support him. They just do because everyone else does so and he is just "oh so perfect".  I didn't "get" the idea of Obama being treated like a celeb from anyone  - it's my opinion that has taken shape because of what I have observed over the past several months. And, you're wong about another thing. I didn't make those statements (cult-like, Messiah, etc.) to "dismiss his obvious popularity as something negative". IF I could ask his a ton of his supporters why they liked him and heard informed, intelligent responses, then I'd say, heck they like him because of what he plans to do...GREAT. But the vast majority of Obama supporters (like 99.9% IMO) have fallen prey to the outrageous glorification of this individual.

And Obama would clearly not be in this race still if he weren't black (and he's white, too, BTW). I've never watched/heard Rush Limbaugh, ever. But I know had Clinton spent 20 YEARS in a church that spews ill feelings toward other races and racism itself, she would've been gone in a snap second. It's such a double standard. If Obama was not black, he would not be in this race still nor would he have had such a large group of supporters.

And just a note - before anyone says it is, this is not anything racist I'm saying - it is what it is. The truth.