Question about the reserves (ottoluv)

I don't know, but I'll bet a quck phone  call to any military reserves branch would get you the answer. They're probably all pretty much the same as far as required time goes.

Joyce

 

I used to work for AF Reserves Medical Recruiting (Dr's and Nurses only). The typical requirement is 2 days per month and 2 wks a year, but I guess she could have a special assignment or training to attend. During Desert Storm/Shield, more Reserves were called up than ever before, so it's possible she has some type of training that's mandatory. Still, she could/should provide proof of that before she's granted the leave from the job.

The military operates with a paper trail to this day.....there should be orders for anything other than being put down in a contract......any additional duty or request for extra time will have a paper trail........she should have that in her possession.

I agree with Snownose, there will be orders and a paper trail. She should be able to provide proof if asked. I would just ask her for it.

 

So she has papers that only say she is scheduled for flight school, but it looks like she requested to do flight school, but it isn't a requirement for her. Now that she has signed up for it she has to do it per her office that was very unhelpful per my program director. That's what my boss says anyway. So I'm not sure why she would do this, it doesn't help anyone and only pisses us off. She will not be getting paid for the time she is gone which she is having a fit about. This girl is ultra shady so I'm not sure what's in it for her you know? Does anyone know anything about a seven week long flight school course for the reserves? The only reason I'm irritated is because she just told me and it really screws up some of her co-residents because they have to cover her which sucks.

She can claim it can help benefit her career in the military.......during these times and with deployment the military will come first......there is not even a legal leg you guys can stand on! Shady or not.......she wins.......

If she is fired you guys will have to fight JAG!

Oh, she will be fired for incompetence by the end of the year I'm sure not anything to do with the military. We have to let her go, but we do NOT have to pay her for it. Her contract is for four weeks vacation, not seven. I've already requested to have her salary held while she is gone ;)

Not trying to defend her.....but, you guys might really want to check with a lawyer......like I said, military duty first....

I don't think you will have to pay her unless stated in a contract ...

Oh yeah, Flight School will get her extra pay for every weekend and 2 week drill in the future. More than that tho, it's a great gig. If I were a nurse in the AF, I'd be signing up ASAP. Since she's west coast, her 2 wk tour will get her to Hickam AFB, HI. Seriously, I understand that this will have a negative affect on your scheduling, but it's a good thing for her (and us). Flight nurses are very vital in war time and as I mentioned, in Desert Storm/Shield, more medical reserves were deployed than active duty. I'm actually surprised that she won't be paid from her civilian job for this leave of absence, but I'm probably biased.

ottoluv

Her contract is for four weeks vacation, not seven.

 

I also wanted to point out that military duty is not viewed as vacation.

ottoluv

So she has papers that only say she is scheduled for flight school, but it looks like she requested to do flight school, but it isn't a requirement for her.

My BIL signed up for specialized training in dismantling IED's, he was gone 8 weeks. They asked 2 people to from his unit to volunteer, he was one of them.

ottoluv

Now that she has signed up for it she has to do it per her office that was very unhelpful per my program director. That's what my boss says anyway. So I'm not sure why she would do this, it doesn't help anyone and only pisses us off.

Frankly, and I'm sure this will go over like a lead balloon, you have no right to be pissed off. If she was up front and it was known that she was in the reserves when she was hired and contracted, you just have to deal with it. She is doing it to further her career and serve her country, enough said.

ottoluv

She will not be getting paid for the time she is gone which she is having a fit about. This girl is ultra shady so I'm not sure what's in it for her you know? Does anyone know anything about a seven week long flight school course for the reserves? The only reason I'm irritated is because she just told me and it really screws up some of her co-residents because they have to cover her which sucks.

I cannot speak about pay, I have no idea how that works. But I can tell you that most companies and institutions have contracts or "an understanding" about reservists. My BIL was taken back at his job after each training session and 2 tours of Iraq. I don't think you can legally "hold her check" either.

I think you really really need to consult with the lawyers on this one, your opening yourself and your employer to alot of grief should she found out this is how you feel and what your doing is against policy. And I would be very very careful on how she is treated and how things are documented when she does return. If you are as open with her as you are here with how you and others feel and 6 months down the road she has a problems or is fired she can easily turn it on you and say "they had problems with me training for the reserves, since then they have made my job impossible". Your setting yourself up for a fight with a government that is at war. Dot your i's and cross your t's with everything in this woman's file.

 

 

 

 ^^^ Amen! ^^^  It's called Serving Our County, and thank God someone is stepping up to do it.  If she was suddenly deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan/or the site of a domestic attack, would you still have the same attitude?  She may be shady, but her commitment to this country via her reserve duties means she could die if the Govt says she has to serve.  That should at least mean you hold her job.  I believe that's a federal requirement.  During Desert Storm, our bank had several people on deployment.  Yes, it was inconvenient, but it's the least they deserve.

Truley

ottoluv

So she has papers that only say she is scheduled for flight school, but it looks like she requested to do flight school, but it isn't a requirement for her.

My BIL signed up for specialized training in dismantling IED's, he was gone 8 weeks. They asked 2 people to from his unit to volunteer, he was one of them.

ottoluv

Now that she has signed up for it she has to do it per her office that was very unhelpful per my program director. That's what my boss says anyway. So I'm not sure why she would do this, it doesn't help anyone and only pisses us off.

Frankly, and I'm sure this will go over like a lead balloon, you have no right to be pissed off. If she was up front and it was known that she was in the reserves when she was hired and contracted, you just have to deal with it. She is doing it to further her career and serve her country, enough said.

ottoluv

She will not be getting paid for the time she is gone which she is having a fit about. This girl is ultra shady so I'm not sure what's in it for her you know? Does anyone know anything about a seven week long flight school course for the reserves? The only reason I'm irritated is because she just told me and it really screws up some of her co-residents because they have to cover her which sucks.

I cannot speak about pay, I have no idea how that works. But I can tell you that most companies and institutions have contracts or "an understanding" about reservists. My BIL was taken back at his job after each training session and 2 tours of Iraq. I don't think you can legally "hold her check" either.

I think you really really need to consult with the lawyers on this one, your opening yourself and your employer to alot of grief should she found out this is how you feel and what your doing is against policy. And I would be very very careful on how she is treated and how things are documented when she does return. If you are as open with her as you are here with how you and others feel and 6 months down the road she has a problems or is fired she can easily turn it on you and say "they had problems with me training for the reserves, since then they have made my job impossible". Your setting yourself up for a fight with a government that is at war. Dot your i's and cross your t's with everything in this woman's file.

 

 

 

LOL, we actually can and it was confirmed this morning by her office. She is so shady, she told them that she had adequate time off this year to do this which she didn't. She apparently gets weekends off and is done by five every day. I see what you are saying, but the military paying for a medical education is apparently not the same as just being in the reserves. She has a comittment to the training program as well which actually takes priority per her commander unless she is deployed which she wasn't. Unfortunately it's too late for her to get out of it per her "commander"( I like that term, I'd like to be a commander), but he is appologetic. Honestly, this has nothing to do with serving her country, she is trying to cut a month out of her training because the 80+ hours a week here are less then the 40 she will do in the flight school. Your military service does count as your vacation for the residents that have a military commitment. You are required to complete a set amount of time to be licenced obviously and you couldn't let the military residents get out of important medical training. You are totally right about crossing the t's thing, it looks like they are trying to fire her because she was put on probation the end of last year and it was requested that we all document screw up's well for her this year.........It's just strange, we have had military people before and it's never an issue. If there is one thing my hospital is good at, it's involving lawyers and money lol. It's been like two days and the lawyers already approved the cutting her salary while she is away.

BCM please don't try to make this about serving your country, which it's not and as someone whose grandfather was at pearl harbour I'm increadibly insulted by that insinuation. Remember that training doctors are paid by the government as well and without them the american medical system would fall apart since there are over 100,000 residents treated as slave labor all over the country taking care of you and your family memebers. It's ONLY about a woman who is trying to get out a full month of work and be paid for it. FYI, this girl is trying to be a cosmetic surgeon. I'm sure there is a lot of need in the military for face lifts and implants. She isn't doing plastic and reconstructive like me, but cosmetic. People in the military are not unlike the rest of us, they need to follow laws and abide by contracts as well.

You're walking on thin ice, all to be cautious with one person's motives, whom you find suspect.

It is against the law to fire a person for duty requirements in the service of their country. Regardless of what you suspect their motives to be. And if you cut her pay for performance related issues, you will have a tough time in court. Especially if the "performance" issues couldn't have happened because she was on base undergoing training in the defense of our country. That is, you can't say that she is a poor performer because she had to leave to complete her duty assignments. I find it just a little hard to believe that her commander would give you so much information. Much of that would be classified. Let's say she was being trained for deployment. Well, we don't need to broadcast exactly when and where her deployment would take place. She might be your employee under your thumb but Uncle Sam takes precedence, holds the ace, whathaveyou.

It's not that every military person is an angel. I dealt with a person last year who was a combat engineer in the Marines for 6 years (building Marine bases, etc.) and an expert marksman with an exemplary career with medals and pins. And he was a political lying sack of excrement. He cost me my job. But it had nothing to do with his military career. To this day, I would like to show him how ignorant he is in my business but I always respect his service to our country. In fact, I would say he better served our country as a soldier than as a civilian.

If your employee's training was not important, it would not have been approved. Case in point, a childhood friend, Robby, joined the Air Force in 1981. He started out in school for electronics in order to maintain communications equipment. So, they sent him to mechanics school to fix diesel engines. Air Force - Aim high (but accept what you get.) Army - Be all that you can be (as long as it's what we want you to be). Navy -Never Again Volunteer Yourself. Marines - We're looking for a few good men (but you'll do). That is, the military does with you what they will for their purposes, even if it crosses up with your original intentions or even your plans in civilian life.

But you go ahead and do whatever it is you think you have to do. And deal with the consequences as they come your way. I'm willing to bet that the admin and the lawyers will err on the side of caution and allow the military the necessary leeway in training. Which would still leave you open to a nasty lawsuit from the employee who can honestly claim (even if you doubt it) that she was in service to her country and yet was persecuted by you for completing that very service. And you certainly won't get any sympathy and support from military vets and their families. Did you know that it is National Guardsmen and Reserves that sometimes get deployed first? Cannon fodder is the old term, translation, first to die.