Brindle Pit Bull Hair Problem?

Just my opinion, but if you are not extremely familiar with this breed, perhaps you should not be buying one.  In fact, there are thousands of them dying in shelters every day because they can't find homes.  It's hard to own this breed because so many people are prejudiced against them.  You could have trouble taking the dog with you when you move, if you live in an apartment - many landlords don't allow them.  You could have trouble getting insurance.  And, if you don't know how to train one properly, you could really get in trouble.  They are working dogs, and need to have good dog manners, and be sufficiently exercised.  If you ever have to give your dog up, there may be nowhere for him to go...  Before you make this decision, talk to some of the Pit owners on this board about the breed and whether it is right for you.  You can start with Sillysally, AuroraLove, and badrap maybe.

The dog you are getting may have just a patch of hair missing, but he also could have demodectic mange.  Sometimes, it's easily fixed, and sometimes it is devastating and the dog dies.   And, if you can't afford to pay for the dog, you probably can't afford the veterinary bills...the cost of a dog is just the beginning!

I can afford the dog no problem, i get paid twice a month And the owner is having to get rid of the dogs asap so the deal of me getting the dog and paying when i get paid is nothing.

Will not be moving, i live on 4 acres right behind a park that i like to say is my personal use lol. So excersizing the dog, playing with it & teaching it is not a problem.

I only wanted to know about the hair problem that the owner told me about i will know about it tommrow. But i would like a website to learn more about the brindle pitbull, and history i coiuldnt find a good one from google.  Not much you say is going to stop me from getting the dog thanks for your opinions i will read them but no sense in saying i shouldnt get it because its not going to affect my decision 

Pit bull or not, I would not PAY for any dog that already has a skin condition... 

Maybe you should not consider getting the pup. I'm not here to tell you what to do but if the breeder doesn't make sure you are knowledgable on the breed it could be a red flag that they are a bad breeder. Meaning you could be in for more health problems (possible expensive ones) down the road and temperament problems too.

I don't know what you mean by brindle pit bull "mixed" with a red nose pit bull since those are just coat/nose colors. Do you mean one of the parents is brindle and the other has a red nose. If this is something the breeder told you, again red flag, probably time to run away.

You should check out demodex, a type of mange which occurs when the pup has comprimised immune system. Has the pup been to a vet check by the breeder? Do they have a health guarantee? If he/she took the dog to the vet then they should be able to tell you why there is a hair issue (like the cause and treatment, they will tell you when they see you I guess). It could also be very bad allergies, some dogs look well gross due to allergies with missing hair, scabs, puss, ect. If they have a health guarantee and something happens they should replace your pup or refund the money (I guess once you pay, if you don't pay they probably won't do anything since they wouldn't really owe you) That is really all the advice I can offer on the hair issue. It is up to you if you get this pup but you still have an option now to look into better breeders. 

 If BSL hits you might not have a choice except to move unless you rehome your dog or let he/she be PTS. We just had proposed BSL here AGAIN. Amazing for a place that does not really have Pit Bull issue like in some places.

How about learning about Pit Bulls before or shortly after getting your pup? You are not going to find history on the brindle Pit Bull or anything special about them since it is just a color, you're not going to find history or special dedication to black Pit Bull eithers, nor white or fawn. There are many resources on the APBT that can be found by googling. What did you put in the search box, there are lots of sites with APBT history. You could also considering buying a book. Like A New Owners Guide to American Pit Bull Terriers (by Todd Fenstermacher).

 
You can find a site on color genetics to learn about how brindle is inherited. Brindle is a striped patter of a dark color over a light color or vice versa. Not really sure what else there is to learn about brindle except those 2 things.
 

   these are pics of parents,  I will get one of the ones with white feet.  I  should know more about what he was saying is the hair problem.  Because i dont know anything about it he just mentioned and said he would tell me when he got off of work.

 Just got off the phone with him, and there is no real hair damage i was just assuming. He says he wasnt able to clean the dogs everyday. So i would just have to buy good shampoo to make sure the dog is clean. And of course i will take him to the vet and get everything checked out

 Well that is a relief although kind of discouraging. So they are all brindles or some brindles. They look seal or black but it is hard to see.

gahustle

  

Is it my imagination, or is that a pic of them tying??

miranadobe

gahustle

  

Is it my imagination, or is that a pic of them tying??

 No it looks like he is mounting her. Not sure why they would post mating pics though. Doesn't look like they are tied, just starting to out. I'm not sure though, could just be the male over the female with his head as you say.

gahustle

And the owner is having to get rid of the dogs asap

Why is the owner having to get rid of the pups quickly?  Is something wrong with the mother?  How old are the pups?

AGE:  If the pup is less than eight weeks old (9-10 is better), it should stay with its litter unless there is a very serious problem that prevents that.   Pups learn basic doggie socialization between 5-8 weeks.  A couple of more weeks gives the pup additional doggie socialization training.  Pups have to be taught (by other dogs) to "play nice with others" just like children do.  Whether the pup is 6 weeks or 10 weeks, it will bond with you just fine.

If the pup is too young and the breeder just needs the money, buy the pup, have the vet check it out, put a collar (with ID) on it, have the pup microchipped (to prove ownership), and take it back to stay with the mother for a few weeks.  This will save you trouble in the future and it will literally save you pain.  If the parents and littermates don't teach the pup its initial bite inhibition training, you will have to do it yourself!  Teaching the pup that people are more fragile than dogs will be bad enough.   (Do you know how to do that?)

WORMS:  Has the pup been wormed regularly (should be wormed at 2, 4, 6, 8 and sometimes 10 weeks)?  If the breeder says yes, ask "Can you show me the bottle so I can tell the vet exactly what you were using."  If the bottle is "not available", then the pup probably has not been wormed and you need to go straight from the breeder to a vet.  You do not want to contaminate your yard with worms.

VACCINES:  Has the pup had any vaccinations?  If so, for what?  Vaccines before 8 weeks are largely useless.  Vaccines for Lepto should never be given before 12 weeks (to minimize severe reactions) and should only be given to at-risk dogs. 

Many forum members give puppy shots only for Parvo and Distemper at 9-14-18 weeks [with Parainfluenza and Adenovirus (Hepatitis) after 6 months, if at all].  The rabies vaccine should not be given within 3 weeks of any other vaccine (or when the pup is sick or undergoing surgery) and, if possible, not before 20-24 weeks. 

Be sure that your pup's vaccines do not contain the preservative Thimerosal (mercury!).  Have the vaccine vial label taped into the pup's records for future reference (e.g. recalls).  Always ask for copies of any updated pages of the vet's records and copies of test results.  Keep those in a notebook for trips and for off-hour ER visits.

NEUTERING:  Neutering prevents a number of possible future medical problems, helps to keep your dog at home, and helps to decrease dog-dog aggression.  If either or both testicles do not descend, neutering is a must because of the high risk of cancer.

ETA:  Getting computerized records from your vet would keep you from having to carry around a notebook on trips.  Putting test result values in a computerized database would allow you to watch for changes that might indicate problems. 

 That picture of the parents, they are not mating. The dogs head is just over her back.

 (the owner is having to get rid of them because, he's had them sine november when they were born. They already have other dogs and not much room for 2 more small pups.)

The dog was born in november so the pup im getting is a old enough and big enough. Im not sure if he has had worm shots, vaccines but i will be sure to ask when i go and get the dog. I will be taking the dog to the vet of course. But i guess a dog 8 months old has played with people, and other dogs.  

When breeders breed they know that if they don't have homes lined up for all the pups then they must keep whichever are left for as long as needed. Which they did, that is great as not all people would do that but then they want to get rid of them ASAP makes you wonder. Have you seen current pics of the puppy or have they only sent you the small puppy pics. Also I wonder what the dog is dirty from if he wasn't able to keep them clean. Do you know the housing conditions. Maybe they are just dirty as in dirt from being outside or even just playing outside. It seems odd though that an older pup would be filthy or anything. Since the pup is now 8 months old I'd certainly say he is ready to leave but will still need continued socialization and training. 

janet_rose

gahustle

And the owner is having to get rid of the dogs asap

Why is the owner having to get rid of the pups quickly?  Is something wrong with the mother?  How old are the pups?

AGE:  If the pup is less than eight weeks old (9-10 is better), it should stay with its litter unless there is a very serious problem that prevents that.   Pups learn basic doggie socialization between 5-8 weeks.  A couple of more weeks gives the pup additional doggie socialization training.  Pups have to be taught (by other dogs) to "play nice with others" just like children do.  Whether the pup is 6 weeks or 10 weeks, it will bond with you just fine.

If the pup is too young and the breeder just needs the money, buy the pup, have the vet check it out, put a collar (with ID) on it, have the pup microchipped (to prove ownership), and take it back to stay with the mother for a few weeks.  This will save you trouble in the future and it will literally save you pain.  If the parents and littermates don't teach the pup its initial bite inhibition training, you will have to do it yourself!  Teaching the pup that people are more fragile than dogs will be bad enough.   (Do you know how to do that?)

 Very sound advice given on all points! Although it must be taken into consideration that Pit Bull pups sometimes have to be separated young to prevent them from hurting each other. Leaving them together will not teach them to play nice and could have the opposite effect on some. If they bite another who will bite them back which starts a fight they are learning it is ok to fight with each other and will continue with this behavior towards others. If they bite another dog who will not bite back but cry out then they continue to shake that other dogs leg (or whatever) then they learn that it is ok to attack and bite others. There isn't anything to teach or deter them from biting other dogs. There also might be medical attention needed (if its beyond small scratches and abrasions) that could have been prevented had they not been left together. Sometimes if they are with the mother she can correct them, but some moms don't get involved with it (unless the puppy is to bite them) and after a certain age they are not with the mom all the time. The breeder must teach them what is ok and what is not, the owner needs to continue this.

I don't think a young pup is something everyone can take on. Lots of people do not have much idea how to handle/teach even a 8-10wk old pup so a younger pup would really not be in the best interest of either the dog or person. I got one of my dogs when they were 6.5wks, not because of money, the gave not only me a pup from CH parents, but also 2 other people and keeping 2 themselves, a few were sold and I think a couple others were placed to but not to people I know, they lost $ on the litter though and lots of time spent on them), but there was nothing more they could offer the pup that I could not offer and do myself. I have lots of experience with young pups and APBTs to be able to continue raising him in the right direction, have a good surrogate mother (in many ways,one thing she is good at teaching discipline from mother dog lesson without being aggressive, loosing patience, ect), I had a young female (although months older then him) to help him learn proper interaction, which still required me in the mix she was a real good girl and very patient/tolerant, he did not get the right foundation at first from his littermates and mom had stopped taking care of them fairly early. Most people would not have the knowledge to really raise a pup from that age correctly. They don't have experience that is needed to really know what they should and shouldn't do.

I guess just goes to show some people can not raise a pup right even at proper age and others can bring up an orphaned singleton just fine. 

Listen to SpicyBulldog, she has much experience with the breed as do I but she pretty much summed it up correctly.

What kind of papers do these dogs have? I ask becasue it sounds like he is charging a bit for them and if you could ask him what their bloodlines are I could help you with that, I'm pretty knowledgable with bloodlines.

It sounds to me like a breeder who got in over his head and he is looking for people to pawn his dogs off to. Hopefully with the bloodline and where the dogs is registered we can help you know why he is charging so much.

And just incase it hasnt been clarified enough: if he is advertising a color as a commodity he is a back yard breeder. If he boasts "red nose" or "brindle" he is ignorant because its a color ONLY and has no reflection or meaning as to the quality of the dogs.