New Study on Aggressive Dogs from the UK

    • Gold Top Dog

     Teenie Weenie was just plain ugly, on more than one occasion. I believe it! Any dog tough enough to take on a badger... is tough! 

     

    I don't know why small dog owners are angry. If they'd treat their dogs like dogs, they wouldn't have this problem. A well bred, properly trained and socialized small dog is something wonderful to be around. My uncle looked at Emma, yesterday, at the cookout we were having. She was sleeping at my feet while people ate grilled hamburgers and sausages. He asked me why she wasn't bouncing up and down, LOL. She got her third rally title, last weekend, and she has her CGC. She has bitten someone, in the past, but it was related to health issues and stupid handling.

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     There isn't a link, but if you have access to academic articles (I do via my university) it can be found in the Journal of Applied Animal Behavioural Science, title is "Breed Differences in Canine Aggression" by Duffy, Hsu, and Serpell.  It comes out of the University of Pennsylvania.  I tried to find the abstract online, but it's not there yet since the issue of the journal it's in hasn't come out yet.

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    thanks!

    aw man, my university doesn't have access to that particular journal! oh well.

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    As with any breed that enjoys popularity there are downfalls, mostly do to poor breeding. Well bred and raised small dogs are wonderful pets but when idiots get their hands on them and desicde to let Fifi breed with Fido because 'They are both so cute and all our friends want a pup just like them' is where problems come from. It sucks when a breed is popular.
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     Here is the abstract!  For $31.50 you can buy the article.

    Abstract

    Canine aggression poses serious public health and animal welfare concerns. Most of what is understood about breed differences in aggression comes from reports based on bite statistics, behavior clinic caseloads, and experts’ opinions. Information on breed-specific aggressiveness derived from such sources may be misleading due to biases attributable to a disproportionate risk of injury associated with larger and/or more physically powerful breeds and the existence of breed stereotypes. The present study surveyed the owners of more than 30 breeds of dogs using the Canine Behavioral Assessment and Research Questionnaire (C-BARQ), a validated and reliable instrument for assessing dogs’ typical and recent responses to a variety of common stimuli and situations. Two independent data samples (a random sample of breed club members and an online sample) yielded significant differences among breeds in aggression directed toward strangers, owners and dogs (Kruskal–Wallis tests, P < 0.0001).

    Eight breeds common to both datasets (Dachshund, English Springer Spaniel, Golden Retriever, Labrador Retriever, Poodle, Rottweiler, Shetland Sheepdog and Siberian Husky) ranked similarly, rs = 0.723, P < 0.05; rs = 0.929, P < 0.001; rs = 0.592, P = 0.123, for aggression directed toward strangers, dogs and owners, respectively. Some breeds scored higher than average for aggression directed toward both humans and dogs (e.g., Chihuahuas and Dachshunds) while other breeds scored high only for specific targets (e.g., dog-directed aggression among Akitas and Pit Bull Terriers). In general, aggression was most severe when directed toward other dogs followed by unfamiliar people and household members. Breeds with the greatest percentage of dogs exhibiting serious aggression (bites or bite attempts) toward humans included Dachshunds, Chihuahuas and Jack Russell Terriers (toward strangers and owners); Australian Cattle Dogs (toward strangers); and American Cocker Spaniels and Beagles (toward owners). More than 20% of Akitas, Jack Russell Terriers and Pit Bull Terriers were reported as displaying serious aggression toward unfamiliar dogs. Golden Retrievers, Labradors Retrievers, Bernese Mountain Dogs, Brittany Spaniels, Greyhounds and Whippets were the least aggressive toward both humans and dogs. Among English Springer Spaniels, conformation-bred dogs were more aggressive to humans and dogs than field-bred dogs (stranger aggression: Mann–Whitney U test, z = 3.880, P < 0.0001; owner aggression: z = 2.110, P < 0.05; dog-directed aggression: z = 1.93, P = 0.054), suggesting a genetic influence on the behavior. The opposite pattern was observed for owner-directed aggression among Labrador Retrievers, (z = 2.18, P < 0.05) indicating that higher levels of aggression are not attributable to breeding for show per se.

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    Interesting article!  ... I believe it, too.  I see a dachshund at the dogpark and I roll my eyes (and steer clear, since odd of it setting it's sights on Logan are nearly certain! :) ... same with jacks and chi's.  And Nik is a mix of the latter two.  She has no compunctions of going after a strange dog if they get too close, and it seems the only excuse I need to give is she's a JRT/Chi mix, usually the other party nods knowingly. Not to say I allow this behavior, but it does occasionally happen.

    As someone said they are small the damage tends to be less, so it's over looked.  Sad, but true.
     

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    i read the article and was both happy and proud that dobermans and rhodesian ridgebacks had the lowest owner directed aggression!

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    GoldenAC
    Beagles (toward owners)

     This I definitely believe..  My in-laws had a beagle, and that dog had bitten every single member of the family.  If you even attempted to touch his ears, grab his collar or take something out of his mouth, you were guaranteed to get bitten.  Then again I know many beagles that would never harm a human or another dog.

    As for small dogs and aggression, I don't believe it's as simple as treating them like dogs and training them as often stated here.  Zoe has had more socialization and training then just about any dog I know, and most of the time she is a great dog, loving towards and loved by many people, but she has her momentst and has bitten people.  I'm sure people must look at me and assume I'm one of those idiots who spoils my little dogs and doesn't know about training or socialization, but it's not the case.  It's one of those things to consider when you want a small dog.  Just like if you acquire a breed known for dog aggression, such as pits or akitas or chows, even with the greatest of efforts some of them just won't take kindly to every dog they meet - it's in their genetics and it doesn't necessarily mean they are not trained or socialized.

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     A terrier is a terrier, though, whether it's a Pit Bull, a Dachshund, or a Jack Russell. A dog with that type of drive deserves some respect. Any dog can bite. The times that Emma has bitten people, it's been because they weren't respecting her. She bit the vet, during a very painful exam. The vet decided to take the muzzle off and try to "be friends". Emma took the treat out of her hand, spit it out, and bit her. She bit a dog trainer, who got very in her face. I was pretty horrified, both times, but she's a terrier! You can't ask a dog not to be a dog. I'm guessing that when Zoe bit someone, it was because of some type of mishandling, as well.

     

    Miss Thing certainly wouldn't bite me, and she isn't dog aggressive, either. She had some leash reactivity, in the past, but she's gotten over it with lots of socialization and meeting a LOT of polite dogs.

     

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    Aina

     Wow, the doxies I have known have been a little timid, but really sweet dogs.  Maggie has a really good friend who is a doxie.  I met a few at petsmart that were loud and not well trained, but overall I have had a good experience with them.


    RRs have always fascinated me.  Every time I see them at shows I am amazed at how big they are. That makes them a bit intimidating though.  I would have them on my list of dogs I want, but I don't think they would match my lifestyle.

    Having been in RRs for just shy 30 years I can not imagine life without them. I have the 9 at my home now.  From 7 months to 13 years.  Some are smaller and some are horses ... Right now everyone but Jasmine is crated as the kids are finishing dinner.  Tonight I will pick 2-3 to join Jazz in our room to sleep with us.  All day long I rotate everyone in and out, something I had not had to do until the fight with the pit bull in my yard. Now Kota has issues with intact males and He and Zion can not be out together.Sad I was able to reschool Kota about altered males but it is obvious the connection between the pit coming into my yard and the girls having been in season was not lost on the K-dog.  If I had another year maybe, just maybe I could work them back together but I will not risk a fight between the two.

    Oddly enough the only dog to ever intimidate my RR Bo was a brace of Dachschunds !! When he was a 6 month old pup he fell asleep ringside . I was speaking with my husband about something and a woman walking a brace allowed them to literally scramble all over my sleeping pup! He awoke to snarling weinie dogs and had not a clue what he had done wrong !!   From that day on he was great with all breeds but the Dachschund and he would see them coming and roll his eyes at meSurprise   Bo was never aggressive but he also took No crud off of a badly behaving dog.  He took down a doberman who was being walked on a flexi and charged me growling ( I thought I was toast ! Huh? ) An another time our friend's mastiff B*tch attacked our Lab at  Obedience class, they apologised , Bo bided his time until they ended up next to each other and he rolled her ! Once again mouth on the other dog's throat holding it on the ground. In both cases he never broke skin , simply scared the boogers out of the offending dog and held them in place with great stregnth.  During the scuffle my friend tried to insert her hand in his mouth, so convinced he was trying to tear the girl's throat out and she looked up in amazement yelling "He isn't biting , he is just pushing her head down !!"  with the Ridgeback Battle Roar  you would think life as you know it is Over !!  The mastiffs who out weighed my dogs by 80 plus pounds would go back in their RV when Bo came out, and after a while the owners would get annoyed at their own dogs for endlessly  agressively barking and ask if Bo could be in an X pen near them... it made them get very quiet and calm ! Wink Our friends called Bo the "Sheriff "  .  

    Ridgebacks are , for us, the ultimate dog. They hang out or play as you direct and are often more cat like than canine.

    Bonita of Bwana

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    according to a member i was talking to recently from the UK hunting/dog forum, Doxies/Teckels/what ever.. arent actually intended to fight and kill the badger, their purpose is to go to ground and draw it out.... to be shot or killed by some other method.
    i dont know anything about badger hunting either, But in the end..... is their purpose as a hunting dog still a good enough reason to be so fierce with people and other animals?

    i'm kinda skeptical on that excuse because pit bulls have to be pretty damned fierce too, to take pain, fight to the death with either bulls, dogs or hogs.... and yet they are the least likely to bite. that is the line most people give when defending a pit bull, but for doxies its "OK to be fierce in the world because they fight badgers"?

    eh?? 

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    DumDog

    i'm kinda skeptical on that excuse because pit bulls have to be pretty damned fierce too, to take pain, fight to the death with either bulls, dogs or hogs.... and yet they are the least likely to bite. that is the line most people give when defending a pit bull, but for doxies its "OK to be fierce in the world because they fight badgers"?

    Well, I don't think anyone is saying it's OK to be fierce, but they were bred to go up against something that has the ability to fight off wolves, coyotes and bears (while still being small enough to fit into a burrow) vs another animal that is equal to them.  The goal was not necessarily to kill the badger, but to flush it out of its den, but the badger is not going to come out without a fight and often the fight is to the death.  See the pictures below - this is no domestic dog!

     

     

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     I wasn't saying it was ok. I was saying I understood. I don't think it's ok for Pits to be DA, either, but I understand why some of them are, and I can accept that. Terriers can be pretty snarky, regardless of what TYPE of terrier it is. They're tough as nails dogs. Understanding the history behind them isn't really making excuses. I understand what Emma is, so I'm better able to teach and manage her.

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    No, Jennie, i get your stance on it. you own this breed after all! but i'm worried some folks that own these "small dogs" will say "But they're BADGER dogs!!" and think thats all the excuse they need all the while thumbing their noses at pit bulls, and mastiffs and rotties, and GSDs and the like.

    i'm still hunting info on badger dogs and just how its done. honestly its not going to be an easy research task because badgers are fiercely protected and to hunt one against the law - even if they are common pest. People do still hunt them but they dont talk about it. you cant even go near a badger den in some areas of the UK unless you want to tangle with the law. So to ask a question like "So how do you hunt badgers with Teckels" in an open forum is like asking "Where can i get a fix?" in the middle of a police station.

    but its an interesting subject i've never considered before now lol i honestly thought they sent the little weaner dog into the den and it took care of business with tooth and nail...... but the guy i was talking to said "Your bulldogs could probably handle a badger just fine, but they'd be missing half their faces by the end of the day!"
     

    one man said - after i showed them this article -

    "James Serpell, who it says is one of the researchers wrote a good book on canine evolution and domestication but along with the other "academics" they really do come out with some rubbish. Canine aggression and human aggression are two totally different things.
    And how many times have we heard the line "Its bred to hunt so it must be aggressive"

    Waste of paper............ thumbdown.gif "

    he owns a pack of PP GSDs he trained himself as well as hunting terriers. i reckon he knows what he's talking about.

     

    ETA

    however i cross posted this article too late in the day for anyone to really reply to it over there. hopefully tomorrow i'll get some more opinions.

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    Interesting article!

    I too have to comment that dogs should not be given excuses for human aggression because of what they were bred for. I mean RRs were bred to ward off lions, right? And they're not high on the list that the article the OP posted refers to. Just an example.

    That said, while the majority of doxies I've encountered have been snippy, I wouldn't mind having a mini dachshund someday. They *can* like any other breed be very sweet and loving friends.