Dog Attack

    • Gold Top Dog

    Glad everyone is ok and that the wounds are not too serious.  Regardless of intent, (be it an outright attack or just overstimulated) the dog shouldn't have been loose.  And even an overstimulated dog wanting to play (not at all saying that's what happened here) can do damage to a small dog.  I'm glad the authorities finally stepped in. It is unfortunate that unsavory people own dogs of any breed. I hope the other dogs in the household have a happy outcome

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    ottoluv
    I just want to remind everyone that you cannot judge the viciousness or scarryness of an attack by how big cuts/scrapes are. I know everyone is always sensitive about the pitbull=aggressive thing but the OP IMO just posted an aggressive dog attacked her family and small dog, not any social commentary

    You are absolutely right and I hope I did not sound insensitive to the attack. This is going to be a rather long post but I think it has a few important points...... Last weekend at a show three friends ended up in a dispute, One friend was handling, ( for a third friend) a Champion RR female who tends to be beyond snotty when annoyed.  This girl is about 78 pounds ( best guess) the other friend walked her Irish Wolfhound , a youngish girl maybe 2-3 yrs  and about 128 lbs , up to the friend and the dog's owner...they stood chatting for several minutes.  The IW  got bored and decided to sniff the RR girl, who stood it for a moment or three than went after the big girl !!

    So Later I hear from The IW owner, the RR owner, The RR handler and 3 folks who witnessed the entire thing.  sighhhhhh being a long time RR owner and one who prefers a girly household I KNOW both the attitude and the actions of an irate female.  They either bluster, just enough to make some one wish they had never gotten up OR they, in near silence...... do serious hurt!

    The RR apparently blustered. Fussing loudly and with specific complaint ( YOU , GET OUTTA of my Butt!!!)   The IW who is like many, rather sheltered , ( seriously how did the giants manage to survive into this century? Food , stress, bloat, anxiety ...we won't even go into shorter life span and breeding issues)  sorry I dogress, She  Jumped back behind her rather petite  human grandmom hoping for intervention....

    That is the account I was given ...at legnth...from everyone........ BUT the IW grandmom.  Who was very , very sure something is seriously wrong with the RR, that, had she, the human, not put herself "in harm's way"  the less than 80 lb girl would have savaged her nearly 130 lb girl.  I listened and tried to be sympathetic. I agreed the RR handler and owner should have

     #1 warned her that the girl tended to be very reactive, 

     #2 they should have kept the distance since this was the RR's issue rather than the IW's

      and finally #3 her IW was most likely going to need "therapy" to get over it... okay that last bit is an attempt to be funny but seriously this person was convinced her dog would never be able to walk easily at a dog show again.

    In my most honest opinion the fault lay equally with all of my friends.  As RR folk we KNOW the attitude a girl can cop, they do not like overly pushy pups sniffing about thier privates and they will not stop and say "Gee that dog is waaaaay bigger"  RRs really rarely know any fear. The IW friend has been showing for decades and should KNOW better than to allow her dog's head that type of freedom.... okay so this time it was a simply grumpy bit*h. Next time it could be spoiled bait , or a totally unsocialized dog that would try to injure as opposed to discipline.  The IW , should be out and socialized to a greater extent...better manners create a more reliable dog. When you are of this size and weight  how do you justify "sheltering" the dog?  It isn't as if it will get easier, instead it will very possibly become a risk issue, not because it may be aggressive but should it bolt how would you easily stop and calm it? The RR owner and handler both were at fault since they know she is a retired dam, that she does not suffer puppies or fools lightly.

     Same girl.... different day she blustered at my young male. He is easily close to 20 pounds on her and again a MALE..but when they, the owner /handler walked up to chat with my husband of course the upstart boy turned around to flirt, it went from wagging tail and easy expression on the older girl to full bluster and everyone within earshot turing around expecting to see a fight.  RRS rarely have to fight, they have an impressive bark and battle roar, it will back off most animals and every human that has ever had it directed at them......

    OKAYYYYY    So how does this long ramble have to do with the OP ??  Again I did not wish to sound insensitive. When AC or the Police hear about a "PIT BULL ATTACK"  they are expecting the very worse.  being frightened SHOULD be enough, regardless the breed.  But with the number of  stray or unsupervised dogs factored into simple old every day crime law enforcement is now , imo, looking for significant events. Being chased by a dog would be enough for me to raise some serious static, I would have letters and phone calls out to every and any one. And had it happened with my grandkids around OMG the owner would want to disavow all knowledge... because , yes it would get UGLY.  But when the call(s) came in I would wonder if it went something like ...." we were attacked by a Pitt Bull"... Response may have been "Are you hurt?" You may have said "we are scraped up..." At that point most AC or PDs are thinking .... "Whaaaaaaat a PIT only scraped this person up? "  They may have asked "Is it still running loose?" , If your response was anything like " The Owner/caretaker came out...or a man came up and sprayed the dog ( even w/o the info it was mace or pepper spray they can assume a water hose).... YOU were not at fault here but they are listenting for KEY words....  At some point either they are BEYOND incompetant or, they felt you had the problem under control.  dumb I know but IF you are a crime victim, say something really awful and you need a police man there fast, would you want them to stop to find out about an iffy situation with a dog that did not seem to add up?  ie HUGE SLOBBERING PIT BULL ATTACKED and left "scrapes"?  That is what the operator / dispatcher may have "heard" when speaking with you. a VERY angry person who had not been put in the hospital by a dog .... I am not saying this is right but please think about the sheer number of calls rec every day.  At some point it becomes hard to really "hear"  everything they may need to.

    SO , here is the last I will try to say about this and I appreciate the patience of anyone reading this far.  As a retired RN and Rape Hot Line Counselor there are certain things that YOU must take control of in any event that causes you not simply to be frightened but as others have said causes a break in your skin.

    #1 Niether Minimize or Maximize the event.   It is a given you are both scared and angry, you have the right to be.  walking your pet and walking with your child you should NOT have to feel as if you have to be uber protective just to walk around the block.  SO State the Specifics

    IE  Phone call YOU :   I need to repport a dog attack.  MY Child( give the age )  and I were walking our dog and an Unleashed dog charged us,  IT made physical  contact with us,  Specify if there is a bite, if not a Bite ...stress, "We were left scraped up and bleeding from the dog's nails and possibly teeth. We need an officer to respond to verify the vaccine status of this animal."  (PERIOD)  If they say it will take time or they are busy then ask, politely HOW LONG WILL THIS TAKE ????  IS there anyone else I should be reporting this to ??  Again if they seem less than concerned , YOU need to ask thier name and a supervisor's name, Ask for a return call ASAP.  

    #2  Now If I did not know for sure if the scrapes came from toenails as opposed to teeth I would then do the following..... Grab a camera and take pictures of everything.  Paw prints, scuff marks, torn clothes, scrapes ANY broken skin !!  IF at all possible get a photo of the dog. It is bizzarre how often people allow the loose animal to stay in the front yard when they think the event is "over"  I know, how sad is this ?, but I have raised my kids and grandkids to keep a disposible camera in the car and house and all of them have cell phones w/cameras.  documentation makes a world of difference in the world we live in today !!

    #3 Then I would take my child and myself to the nearest ER. At the point the dog bite is reported the authorities MUST become involved.  Have the address of the animal and of where the event happened.  You need to remember It does not matter if this was a little pooky-wooky sweetie pie that bit you or actually a Pit bull.  Rabies do not react according to size or breed.  By stressing you believe it is /was a pit you are simply coloring the emotional issue. You do not need to do this. A bite is wrong, bad and must be dealt with. By leaving folks wondering how one earth you got "lucky" enough to be only slightly hurt ( And yes I know what a jerky thing to say ) you are diffusing the issue. 

    #4 Now the authorities are involved and yes this get's even scarier , if the dog can not be id'ed or found you are looking at dealing with Rabies shots.  Holy Crud !!! BUT way better than the alternative !! More and more idiots are not bothering to vaccinate and or license their animals.  I was bitten by one of my own older dogs when we were evacuating for a hurricane. ( Hurricanes often up the agrression level in animals for a million reasons) and two of my own dogs got into it, then dumb me.... I got into it.... I titer my older kids rather than pump a ton of vaccine into them that I have some specific issues with. So I had 2 choices.... go to the ER and get sewn up risking ( almost certain) the death of my own dog because in evacuation mode NO ONE waits for anything. Or having a very interesting scar.... I choose the scar.   I Knew my dogs were clean and healthy. I knew why the fight had happened, and how I was bitten ......ALL important facts in a bite.

    #5 And I promise I will stop with this part. NO ONE has the right to subject you , your child or your pet to injury. It does not make it okay that this person was "taking care of" the dog ... it makes NO difference that he owns or simply knows the animal.  It was This person's Responsibility that this animal not be able to injure any of you !!  Some one who routinally does this level of poor care is actually criminally neglegent in the majority of our country..  even a one time offense is still a person finacially responsible for the medical bills , damaged clothing and in nearly all municipalities pain and suffering.   When YOU accept the responsibility to care for a friend's dog.... that does NOT end with did he eat today ??  It also extends to did he eat ANYONE today !!!   The more documentation you have, again cell phone bills showing the time calls were made to authorities and or ER / Drs are vital. Photos can not be denied in court cases.  A day later a welt may look like a run in with a bush, but at the time of the event there will almost always be significant redness, swelling and an overall "angry" look. We are speaking about what the event really "felt" like rather than a simple record of where it happened on your body. Torn clothing should never be washed or thrown away. simply put it in a bag AFTER the photo has been taken that id's it as the item worn during the event.   Judge's , even in small claims seeing say a pair of jeans with a tear in them, even if there is the tinyest bit of blood will look at the offending  owner/ caretaker of an animal and tell them LOOK AT THIS !!!! 

    Does all of this seem extreme?  It isn't, what was a really bad scare for you , Chico and your Daughter today ....could well be a profoundly injured animal or person the next time.  It is not about the breed. It is about RESPONSIBILITY. This will not be a popular statement BUT...   Dog Ownership is NOT a RIght anymore, It is a privelage.  WE must protect our desire to share our lives in the company of dogs. And we must protect our dogs from slackers who do not understand what a legal onslaught is happening in the pet owning world of today !

    I hope the 3 of you are feeling okay this afternoon, and please , please take your little guy out to a safe place and re-socialize him, an event like this can ruin his entire personality if left alone and just hoped for the best. Be pro-active  make sure he is well trained and reassured and  that YOU can take him anywhere... like I said before it does not matter if it was a Pit or a tenny tiny pooky wooky sweetheart a bite is a bite!

    Bonita of Bwana

     

     

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Gee,. it could have been much worse. I am so glad yu were not hurt any more than y ou were, and that your chico is okay.

     

    Aboyt 1 1/2 years ago my husband ws walking our aslmost 12 year old golden retriever, onleash, when a pit bull came out of a yard intent on killing Bucik.  Hubby got between then.  Buck had arthritis in his hips and spine and his eye sight was not great.  No way he could have come close to defending himself.

     

    Luckily the dog's owner was in the front yard and he came running and grabbed his dog.  Even with hime holding it by collar it was intent on getting at Buck, luncing, snarling.  The guy simply said "I don't know how he got out" and managed to get the dog back into their house.  The dog apparently never even glanced at my hubby, didn't try to attack him.  But he sure as blazes wanted to get to our old man.

     We live in a small town on a horse hoe shaped street, no side streets.  After this we wold not walk our dogs for fear tht dog would get out.  The horwe shoe shape of our streed is
    skinny" and there is no way we could get off our street without that dog seeing us if it where --it ived on the4 strett ours dead end into on each end, right across the street with a clear veiw of either end.  Luckily they moved a short time later--but we had never seen the dog before or after that day.

     

    • Gold Top Dog
    You know what I find hard to believe is some peoples small minds. Yes it was a pitbull, if you read all of my reply's you would of seen that both my daughter and I were in the hospital emergency room. She had stitches and bruising on her back. As well as her arms and stomach as for me I have cuts on my face and arms. And as far as my child who is 17 yes she put herself in danger but she acted on instinct. And as I have said several times my neighbor jumped his fence to get to us and save us. So if that is all for the interogation I hope you are happy for making me feel like I have to explain myself to a total stranger because you don't believe me. And if you read my other reply's it states that the dogs were being neglected by starvation so he was not that big but bony. Can I now leave the stand your honor!!!!!!
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    Thank you for your concern I really appreciate it. But now I just have to say my feelings are hurt along with my daughters because of the response is so hurtfull some people just seem like we are liars and that really hurts. We just wanted to inform people who have pets to take care of them because nobody should be affraid to take their pets for a walk.
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    rosered66
    You know what I find hard to believe is some peoples small minds.

    Oh please. It was one person, and everyone just go ahead and pry themselves off Lori now... The original post's story DID seem a tad fishy.. A "pit bull" (and what does that mean? American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, some semblence of one of these breeds? What?) comes and attacks these people, some guy comes out of nowhere, maces the dog, but that doesn't faze it..and then the people walk away with "cuts here and there" (which seems pretty darn minor from THAT description), the teeny tiny dog unscathed? Later posts may have cleared some of it up, and I understand the OP was shaken up while writing the post, but something about it was a little off. *content removed, rude personal*

    • Gold Top Dog

    My gosh I am beyond sorry !! Really I only read the first one or three and sent my own knee jerk reply. Dumb and I am sorry. I hope the second attemtp  explained just a little bit more why folks have some difficulties when dealing with any attack.  Please tell me you did have photos etc taken and that the hospital did get the authorities involved?? 

    When living in Southern California the lifestyle, including attitude towards dogs was soooo different. Sadly here in Southern Alabama they would just as quickly shoot a large stray as see if it is in it's own yard.

    How is your little man?  I had a toy Poodle who was fearless.... She was not just a delight but a bit of a worry since she never understood she was generally almost 100 pounds smaller than all of my friend's dogs !!

    Is your daughter alright? 17 is a head strong age for sure, In fact before leaving for this show I chewed out my , ( sigh) 30 yes thirty year old daughter for trying to break up two neighbor dogs.   Having been bitten I would hope I could prevent that from ever happening again to a family member, we are all dog fanatics.

    Again I am really sorry That I did not write what I was trying to say better. There would never be any excuse for your family pain from any dog, and unfortunately in our area where the attacks in the past 3  years or so have been so horrible it has become a huge issue with dispatchers.

    Bonita of Bwana

     

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    rosered66
    You know what I find hard to believe is some peoples small minds. Yes it was a pitbull, if you read all of my reply's you would of seen that both my daughter and I were in the hospital emergency room. She had stitches and bruising on her back. As well as her arms and stomach as for me I have cuts on my face and arms. And as far as my child who is 17 yes she put herself in danger but she acted on instinct. And as I have said several times my neighbor jumped his fence to get to us and save us. So if that is all for the interogation I hope you are happy for making me feel like I have to explain myself to a total stranger because you don't believe me. And if you read my other reply's it states that the dogs were being neglected by starvation so he was not that big but bony. Can I now leave the stand your honor!!!!!!

     

    I think you are being a tad oversensitive.  Bonita has already said that you should be able to walk, and walk your dog, without fearing for your lives.   But, considering that there are members of the dog profession who cannot always correctly identify a Pit Bull accurately, and considering that there are many other "Bully" breeds that resemble Pits, it isn't really that much of a stretch for people who are sensitive to the hysteria that mostly always follows this breed around, to want to have people be aware of that.  You may well have been attacked by a Pit, but if you were, the reason people are incredulous that the wounds weren't worse is that Pits don't attack "hunting for food" as a rule.  They attack dogs because some of them are bred to kill other dogs.  So, just the fact that your Chi wasn't killed is pretty astonishing, considering that a dog that size is usually nothing more than lunch meat (bait) for a nasty Pit, especially if mace wouldn't stop him.  I don't think you need to explain yourself - a nasty, aggressive dog (breed is really irrelevant - any large nasty dog should be leashed at all times), attacked you and did physical and psychological damage to a family.  That's never OK.  But, I hope that it won't color your attitude about Pits in general.  We have a lot of Pittie lovers and owners here, who have well trained, well mannered dogs, and who work very hard to reverse the stereotypes surrounding the breed, as well as to properly manage their dogs, since they know and appreciate that these dogs aren't always friendly to other dogs.  In the final analysis, you weren't exactly attacked by a dog - you were really attacked by an ignorant human being who was so negligent as to let his untrained, unsocialized, dangerous dog be out in public without a leash.  Properly leashed dogs that are under their owners' control rarely attack anyone, no matter what breed they are.  So, please do keep that in mind, and try to be sensitive to those who own Pits responsibly and are desperately trying to insure that louses like that don't ruin everything for them and their dogs.

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    spiritdogs

    You may well have been attacked by a Pit, but if you were, the reason people are incredulous that the wounds weren't worse is that Pits don't attack "hunting for food" as a rule.  They attack dogs because some of them are bred to kill other dogs.  So, just the fact that your Chi wasn't killed is pretty astonishing, considering that a dog that size is usually nothing more than lunch meat (bait) for a nasty Pit, especially if mace wouldn't stop him. 

    Talk about "color your attitude about Pits in general".  I never feared Pits until I came here and heard these types of comments.  Sure there are some and the incidences are sensationized, just like the above comment, but the ones I meet are so gentle.  It is such a shame that I when I do meet a Pit, there is an unusual hesitation. 

    Why can't the OP be taken at face value.  OP, I am sorry this happened to your family.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I just wanted to say that I am glad that you, your daughter, and Chico are all okay and are on the road to recovering from the situation.  It is sometimes scarey to be out walking and wondering if another dog is going to attack you.  I have a very large dog that lives down the street that acts as if it is going to attack me.  It comes charging out of the yard and one time came sneeking up behind me growling, snarling and barking.    I now take a detour to avoid it, which is a shame that I can't walk down a public road with out fearing attack. I did leave a note on their mail box informing them that their dog did this on more than one occassion and that they are responsible for their dog and it's actions.

     Anyway, I am glad that all of you are okay.  And, yes, I feel for the dogs that are not being properly cared for.  They are suffering for what their owner's improper handling.  

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    I am glad your husband and dog were ok. I know the attack happened so fast but seemed like forever before it was over I am just glad its over with.
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    spiritdogs
    But, considering that there are members of the dog profession who cannot always correctly identify a Pit Bull accurately, and considering that there are many other "Bully" breeds that resemble Pits, it isn't really that much of a stretch for people who are sensitive to the hysteria that mostly always follows this breed around, to want to have people be aware of that.

    For any one who has never tried the test go to this url and check it out. This is the short version and it still is difficult to get right on the first try. IT took me two tries to get it right, my breeder friends who have been in the fancy easily 2 times longer than my 27 years didn't get it in under 7 tries !!

    http://www.secondchanceforpets.com/findthepitbull/index.htm

    Again No ONE is defending the dog or the Idiot that allowed the dog to attack you and your family .  I guess just as there are a million misconceptions about everything in life it was hard for folks to understand .

    Bonita of Bwana

    • Gold Top Dog

    I was reading this and in the start of the thread it didn't not really describe the details as much, but further into it...Sounds like it was more severe than initially read into.

    It is so unfortunate to have these kinds of situations, but we really need to educate- a lot more about this sort of thing.

    And as far as the pit hysteria...The lawful and humane care of these and every other animal would reduce this on top of more public ed on dog care in general.

    I do think there are some valid issues and we do hear of them in the news...It colors the way we look at certain animals...But in the same breath we have had some horrible behaved goldens, which are considered "The family dog" around here...But not if they are trained poorly.

    I just would like to know more on how to deal with the scary loose dog while I am walking my 2 on leashes. ANd how do we avoid this attack.  It is undeniably highly dangerous.

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    spiritdogs
    I think you are being a tad oversensitive. 


    spiritdogs
    I hope that it won't color your attitude about Pits in general. 
    I actually think it was the "Pit defense league" who were perhaps oversensitive to the mention of the breed. If it had been a German Shepherd or Lab that attacked, I doubt people would have been so defensive and questioned the validity of the story.

    The OP didn't say that she hated Pit Bulls or that they were all bad, she just, to the best of her ability, identified the breed of dog that was involved. I cannot imagine how it would feel to be attacked by a dog and come to report it here and have people not believe me!

    I, too, hope the OP doesn't blame the breed. But I see no reason to believe she does.

    rosered66 - Please try to understand that it's sometimes hard to convey feelings and situations on a message board and concentrate on the many here who DID believe you and have apologized for their initial response instead of those who are having difficulties with it. I hope you and your daughter are feeling better today.

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    FourIsCompany

    spiritdogs
    I think you are being a tad oversensitive. 


    spiritdogs
    I hope that it won't color your attitude about Pits in general. 
    I actually think it was the "Pit defense league" who were perhaps oversensitive to the mention of the breed. If it had been a German Shepherd or Lab that attacked, I doubt people would have been so defensive and questioned the validity of the story.

    Completely agree.  She was defending accusations that her story was not legitimate (because never in the history of humankind has a pit bull ever bitten a human) and questioned her ability to idently a pit bull and she was referred to oversensitve??  Geez!