Our dogs eat other animals

Outside dogs get bored and find things to do.  Stuff we don't neccessarily WANT them to do.
 
German shepherds are not good outside dogs....I have six sharing my home.  They love to be outside to play, but they love to be inside with their family too.  GSD's usually have a pretty good prey drive, plus the major herding instinct and sometimes they "herd" too robustly, and dead happens.  I can take all six of mine at a time out in the woods (alone, just me) and fields and immediately call them off a running deer, rabbit, turkey.....but I've worked hard to train that perfect recall.  Pheasants often take a second command because those darned things fly and distract them from the first command.
 
Your pups are in the adolescent stage now and what they learn is ok to do NOW will determine much of their future behavior.  You need to protect the other critters from them by either fencing in the other critters or fencing in the dogs.  And bring the poor dogs inside part of the time so that they feel like they BELONG.

We can't have the dogs inside do to allergies, however, they have it good with a large 4 car garage that they call home.  As for the goats, they were in a fenced in pen that took a day for them to break into.

if you knew their prey drive was that strong what was the cat doing outside with them?
Been there....our malamute/Shepherd mix prey drive didn't kick in until she matured. She started killing things when she was about 4 years old. Groundhog then 2 neighborhood dogs. We had her PTS due to liability issues.
This was 10+ years ago and I've never forgiven myself but then finding a behaviorist, or even a trainer, in this area was like finding good groceries at a cheap price.
And Daisy wan't bored. She hiked with us, went snowshoeing with us - any outside activity she did with us. She was also my husband's jogging partner. So she ran every day about 3 miles. Problem was she was very head strong, and physically strong and would get away from us (especially my then 4-year old son).
If you are unable to get these pups under control NOW you might as well do what we did. As they grow up they are goign to get worse. Next thing you knwo they'll be bringing someone's pet dog home to you.
Don't let them run around where they have access to other animals. Don't let them outside unattended AT ALL. And don't get another small pet.
You need to get 100% control of these dogs.

why would you get a dog if you knew there were allergy issues? And then get 2?
So these dogs don't have a lot of interaction with the family?
Don't mean to sound rude but if they are left outside on their own 24/7 how much time is spent with them?
Since you can't watch them all the time you probably won't be able to curb their killing instinct.
Don't get any other animals and get used to picking up carcasses.
I'd also let any neighbors know they should keep their pets at home.
I have been there, done that. I know how painful it is. But you need to work with these dogs and having them outside all the time you simply can't watch what is going on. You are leaving yourself open to a potential lawsuit, or legal action. If someone dog should walk onto your property and your dogs kill it you are still responsible. The poodle my Daisy killed was loose on our propety when Daisy killed it. It was HORRIBLE to see and my 4 year old son also witnessed it.
You need to take steps and keeping them outside, where you can't control them especially when no one is home, isn't going to end this.

Would you take them to a shelter knowing these issues or just have them pts?

OK, I'm just on a different side of this outside issue than you are.  I have allergies up the ying yang.  When I was skin tested 62 or the 64 areas lit up like Christmas trees.  The allergist shook her head and said, man, we can't desensitize you to EVERYTHING......but she did to dog dander.  And if she hadn't, well, gosh, I'd had inside dogs all my life and guess I would have continued popping benedryl.  And, yes, some of my allergies are severe enough to send me to the ER in respiratory distress, so I know about allergies.  I deal with and manage them.  My dogs don't get banished because of my problems.  But, that's me.  I brought these critters home and I made a commitment to each and every one of them to provide them with a loving home for their lifetime and I don't take my promises lightly.
 
At the very least these dogs need some serious training and some serious boundaries...as in a STOUT fence.

Our entire family has allergies and asthma. We have four dogs who are inside all the time (one doesn't really count, being a Chinese crested hairless). We have six more who are on an inside/outside rotation (three our own, three trainees).

Here's our compromises to owning pets and dealing with allergies:

We have minimal floor coverings and the furniture is either covered with washable covers or is impermeable microfiber. Would love leather even more, but not in the budget right now. We also have very small, easily washable window coverings - no drapes, no curtains. We use blinds which stay up most of the time (don't collect dust that way).

The dogs are not allowed in the kid's half of the house. We baby gates and doors to enforce this in the old house. Our new house has a front and back half connected by French doors.

I. Groom. A. Lot. Constantly. I clip down the hobbit hair on their feet and up the back legs, and use a tool similiar to the famous "Furminator" (Mars Coat King) to get out undercoat. The inside dogs get this every few days or so, while the others get groomed at least every other week.

I don't wash much these days but if I did it would make a huge difference. I just got my dog washing setup installed in the bathroom so I can start that again, thankfully.

In the big allergy seasons, the "outside" dogs go out entirely. And the "inside" dogs spend a lot more time outside, and get baths about twice a week. Maggie, the Spitz mix, does not go outside much because I've learned it actually makes the alleries worse - her coat picks up more than I can brush or wash out.

I wash curtains and bedding in very hot water. Curtains about once a month, and bedding is changed extremely frequently - blankets and comforters are washed once a week or so. I have three sets of bedding for every bed in this house since it takes a day to line dry the blankets and comforters.

I'm pathetic about dusting but I've found the Swiffer cloths to be a real friend. During allergy seasons I wash down all the woodwork a couple times, too.

There's lots more I could do but it starts to be a question of diminishing returns on the time invested. I'm not religious about all of the above and we still have held serious problems at bay for several years now. My kids were on tons of meds when they were little and now don't even have a sniffle during the height of pollen season. I have issues but I sleep with two dogs on the bed with me and one on the floor next to me!

On the issue of killing animals - I have dogs that would kill animals just for the fun of it, and they are very highly trained and get LOTS of exercise and time with us. One of them sleeps on the floor next to my bed and is the sweet looking dog in my avatar! It's just that some dogs have very high prey drives. You can increase the time you spend with them and do some training - dogs like that are usually the best candidates to learn dog sports like agility and flyball and frisbee.

But you'll also have to put some effort into restraining them when you are not around to watch them. Contrary to popular belief, big active dogs don't prefer to roam freely. It makes them nervous, thinking that they are missing out on something, or that you expect something of them and they have to guess what it is.

We weren't looking for advice on raising dogs with allergies.  Our dogs enjoying killing and eating other animals...any advice for that? 

All of the above applies.
 
If you insist on leaving these dogs outside all the time, the issues will get worse.  Killing other animals does NOT make them unadoptable if you disclose the situation.  But, if someone else is going to keep them the way that you do, yeah, that pretty much narrows the options.
 
Sorry, but you made this particular bed by not allowing the dogs inside and not training them, and now are surprised that they are doing what comes naturally?
 
Keep the dogs away from the other critters.  Period.  That's the only advice anyone can offer.  Aside from doing some serious training.

Dogs are predators. The things they killed were prey. So  fence in the dogs, or fence in the prey using stronger enclosures than you did orignially - maybe some electric fence. I have dogs iwth prey drive and the hot wire running on the inside of the deer fence keeps them from going through the fence. I've seen them chase squirrel right up to the fence and veer off. I have rhodesian ridgebacks - serious prey drive.

Paula

What kind of advice are you looking for?
 
Do you want to train the dogs to not go after animals? Then start taking the dogs to obedience classes and start working with them several times per day. Also, while training you're going to have to keep the dogs confined so accidents don't happen. Until you can consistantly depend on them to not go after animals, they need to be confined to a fenced area or house.
 
If you don't want to seriously train and spend time with these dogs then please find a new home for them. Dogs can be retrained. It just takes dedication. If this dedication isn't going to come from you, find someone who will take them in.
 
I don't think that the dogs need to be put to sleep. They are doing what comes naturally to a dog that hasn't had training or supervision. What they need is a new home.
 
If you don't do these things and the dogs continue to be unsocialized with humans, you might find yourself in jail when they go after a neighbor kid.

P.S. there are dogs that don't shed and are easy on the allergies that you can have in the house....

Dogs are predators, and huskies and shepards tend to have pretty high prey drives--they are just doing what they were made to do.  If you won't allow the dogs inside then the best you can do is improve your fencing--for both your livestock and your dogs.  Actually it's good to keep in mind that if your dogs got to the goats that easily, so can coyotes and other predators, depending on where you live. 

Yeah,,,I agree here.  We are not talking mean aggresive dogs here...we are talking about natural instincts.  Some dogs have more than others.  I don't at all think we should be talking PTS...but since you do know their instincts and prey drives..IF you give them up you must inform who ever takes them how they are, to protect the dogs and the small animals.   Gee I wonder how many of us have house dogs that would do the same thing,,,we just don't know it because they never make it outside by themselves and get in a situation where they can chase and kill another small animal.  
I got my Dane at 3 yrs. old from the breeder who ALSO raised chickens and sells eggs.  She told me that any chicken that gets into the Dane pen when their out gets eaten.   Is this a reason to not get one of her Danes?   BUT,,, I do know that I will watch her around any small animal..including dogs because of it.  It doesn't make her mean and not worthy of living. And I can't see that your two dogs have to be punished with death because of their prey drive.
As was mentioned...tie them up, or pen them in...or just somehow make sure other small animals (or big ones for that matter) can get to them. Leaving animals free and unattended is probably not ever good anyway.
Good luck to you! I seriously hope you find a way to deal with this issue...and I hope its a good solution for both you and your dogs!
 
Edited to add.... a few years ago, one of our regular posters lost a pet duck to one of her dogs. She knew the dog had a big prey drive...she always protected the duck from him. One day someone slipped up,,,I can't remember the story exactly,,,but the duck was killed by the dog. We were all so sad when she told the story,,she used to post pictures of all of her pets including the duck. BUT she did not consider getting rid of her dog....