Teacher sentenced over the name of a teddy bear....

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    fuzzy_dogs_mom

    I think in some frequently-fanatical countries, just being a woman and breathing could be a jailable offense.  My understanding from an earlier news  report was that she didn't actually name the bear herself.  She let the class vote and they opted to name the bear after a classmate. I don't see that as any different than the Hispanic community naming boys Jesus. If the name is all that "sacred and special" people shouldn't be allowed to give it to their kids.

    Joyce

    Good Point!
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    This teacher used extremely poor judgement. IMO when you accept a teaching position in a foreign country with a radically different culture it is your obligation to learn what is offensive and what is not. This one was a no-brainer.

    Do I think she deserves jail time? As of this morning I personally want to shake her Angry because her ignorance played into the hands of some unpleasant people.

    BIG PICTURE ALERT It wasn't the parents who complained, it was a school employee of some kind. Radical anti-western Muslims saw the teddy bear's name as an opportunity and ran with it.

    There have been demonstrations calling for her execution:

     http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071130/wl_afp/sudanbritainreligiondiplomacydemo_071130132045;_ylt=Ah4Atl4bjL_WAtI7EHSpL2kV6w8F

    but you have to read this and other articles to see what the REAL issue is---radical Muslims are saying that the teacher was sent there to change Sudan from an Islamic state to a Christian one. The demonstrations aren't about a teddy bear---they are about the belief that this was part of a conspiracy against their religion.

    He railed at what he said was an attempt "to transform Sudan from an Islamic state into a Christian state," adding that the British teacher had come to Sudan "as part of that design".

    "Why did this teacher come to Sudan? She surely didn't need to emigrate from her country for the money? So she came for another reason...," he told the faithful at the Al-Safa mosque in the city's eastern Jarif district.

    This teacher's insensitivity has played into the hands of people who want to get rid of all westerners and limit educational opportunities for the people of Sudan so that they can control what the people know and believe.

    Are other British teachers in Sudan as safe as they were a month ago? are they are trusted? I don't think so. This could be used to create problems for a long time---especially if anyone can find any additional incidences of "insults" and I am sure that every western teacher's behavior is now under a microscope.Angry

     

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    I don't see what the uproar is.  When you're in a particular country, whether it is a theocracy or a dictatorship, you follow the rules.  If you don't know the rules-you really shouldn't be there.

     (I think this is every kid's dream though...get your teacher thrown in jail over something silly...especially if you don't like the teacher.)
     

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    Ed...yep..

    "When In Rome..."

    If you do not care for Roman law...do not go to Rome and commit an infraction...stay in your own comfort zone/country.

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    This is just my $0.02, but as to why western teachers are there in the first place ... I think a lot of western people are working in these countries as engineers, contractors etc.  If they have their families with them, of course they would want English speaking teachers for their kids.

    Joyce

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    DH and I were discussing this last night over dinner and he mentioned that we should name our next dog  Muhammad.
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    fuzzy_dogs_mom

    This is just my $0.02, but as to why western teachers are there in the first place ... I think a lot of western people are working in these countries as engineers, contractors etc.  If they have their families with them, of course they would want English speaking teachers for their kids.

    Joyce

    I can't imagine bringing my kids to such an unstable place, personally...for any amount of money.

    • Gold Top Dog

    in the muslim world, does this really surprise you? 

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    fuzzy_dogs_mom

    This is just my $0.02, but as to why western teachers are there in the first place ... I think a lot of western people are working in these countries as engineers, contractors etc.  If they have their families with them, of course they would want English speaking teachers for their kids.

    Joyce

    According to a news article, she teaches in a school founded by a Christian group which does not require the students to be Christian. The majority of the students are Muslim.

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    Sounds like the flippin' Mutiny all over again..... 

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    Chuffy

    Sounds like the flippin' Mutiny all over again..... 

    Could be....but, the next time it might be her head.......folks, if you don't agree with he country's laws.......don't go there......

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    snownose
    Could be....but, the next time it might be her head.......folks, if you don't agree with he country's laws.......don't go there......

     

     And be very careful even if you intend to respect their laws. Chances are you may offend anyway, there are numerous things one should not do in a muslim country and most of them would not even cross our minds as being bad.

     If you happen to be female then how you might dress will be considered offensive (some places you must be in traditional dress),  you may not be able to drive a car. Do not show the soles of your feet to anyone, watch which hand you use to eat with and especially to shake hands or touch someone with. Watch who and what you take a picture of as some things are ilegal to take pictures of (and it is nothing that us westerners would ever consider). Do not discuss sex even at its most clinical level, do not discuss religion even if you think you are praising their faith. If female do not ride a bike. If you happen to be gay keep it a secret. Do not take any book that might be considered religious, nor any newspaper or magazine that might have bra advertisments. Do not book a room with your significant other unless you can prove you are married, do not wear shorts....... sorry that is all that comes to mind at this time.

     

       Oh and I forgot!!! Do not bring your teddy bear if his name is Muhammad!!!

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    dgriego
    And be very careful even if you intend to respect their laws. Chances are you may offend anyway, there are numerous things one should not do in a muslim country and most of them would not even cross our minds as being bad.

     If you happen to be female then how you might dress will be considered offensive (some places you must be in traditional dress),  you may not be able to drive a car. Do not show the soles of your feet to anyone, watch which hand you use to eat with and especially to shake hands or touch someone with. Watch who and what you take a picture of as some things are ilegal to take pictures of (and it is nothing that us westerners would ever consider). Do not discuss sex even at its most clinical level, do not discuss religion even if you think you are praising their faith. If female do not ride a bike. If you happen to be gay keep it a secret. Do not take any book that might be considered religious, nor any newspaper or magazine that might have bra advertisments. Do not book a room with your significant other unless you can prove you are married, do not wear shorts....... sorry that is all that comes to mind at this time.

     

       Oh and I forgot!!! Do not bring your teddy bear if his name is Muhammad!!!

    lol, true 'nuff, the bear should be left at home!

    As for all these rules... definitely true, but not so hard to learn. Back in the mid-90s my mother taught a public speaking class for a bunch of Saudi businessmen who were doing a lot of business in the U.S. The class itself was in the U.S., but most of these men lived at least half-time in Saudi Arabia and had families there. In order to avoid offending them and to make the experience as pleasant as possible for all involved, my mother worked her behind off to become well versed in their culture, particularly in potential cultural faux pas. She didn't dress in a burkah or anything like that, but she kept to pants suits and was very careful about things like showing the soles of her feet. She also kept a respectful and open dialog with them to help accommodate their needs, such as several class breaks during the day for prayers. The whole thing was a big success! These highly educated men knew very little of "real" American culture, as they tended to keep to themselves and not have much free time, and had based their views of the United States on television shows like "Jerry Springer." Surprise I'm incredibly proud of her because by creating a comfortable and respectful atmosphere she created a really powerful learning experience for everyone.

    My point to the rambling is if my mother can be culturally sensitive for a one-week training class in the United States, people who voluntarily go to a foreign country known for having very "special" rules and sensitivities (particularly towards Christian women) and then are in a position of high public scrutiny (think how careful teachers in our own country have to be about things like religion - creationism, anyone? - to avoid public outcry!) need to behave like the most culturally sensitive people in the universe. Even if they don't agree with the cultural norms/rules.

    I'm actually surprised/impressed that the government gave her the milder sentence. To me, it says that even though I think they might be crazy, maybe they haven't lost their marbles entirely. Of course IMO all the hubbub is ridiculous and sad, but I'm not at all surprised by it. The poor woman shouldn't be, either!

    I'm guessing the woman wasn't even thinking about The Prophet Muhammad when she let the kids name the bear, but gosh darn it, she should have been!

    • Gold Top Dog

     If you happen to be female then how you might dress will be considered offensive (some places you must be in traditional dress),  you may not be able to drive a car. Do not show the soles of your feet to anyone, watch which hand you use to eat with and especially to shake hands or touch someone with. Watch who and what you take a picture of as some things are ilegal to take pictures of (and it is nothing that us westerners would ever consider). Do not discuss sex even at its most clinical level, do not discuss religion even if you think you are praising their faith. If female do not ride a bike. If you happen to be gay keep it a secret. Do not take any book that might be considered religious, nor any newspaper or magazine that might have bra advertisments. Do not book a room with your significant other unless you can prove you are married, do not wear shorts....... sorry that is all that comes to mind at this time.

    For me,,,,,,,,,,,,,in other words...stay home!   I personally would not want to be in a country that treats women like this country anyways...much less all of their other rules and regulations that one must follow.   Years ago. I had a American neighbor that was married to a fellow from one of these countries ( I don't remember which,,it was a long time ago and I really didn't know here that well ) and had a baby. She was trying desperately to get away from him...and not loose the baby in the process.   Her gripe was how she was treated because she was a woman.  I don't remember what the story was on why she was with him, they were not there long as they rented a duplex at that time. Probably 20 years ago at least.

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    Years ago in married student housing at UCD there were some couples from one or more of the middle eastern countries.  One of the women told me that if she were ever to divorce or try to leave her husband, her kids would automatically belong to her in-laws and she would have no rights or say in anything. She could be prohibited from ever seeing them or having any contact with them again.

    Joyce