14 Children and now what??

    • Gold Top Dog
    Why is "nice" creepy? Some people just choose to live their lives in such a way that they add to the world's happiness rather than take away from it. I wish I could be such a person but I constantly catch myself being a whiner and complainer, as if the wonderful things in my life were not sufficient to make me happy.

    I grew up in a family of six (my mom had seven but had a late miscarriage). It was intense because the third child was profoundly handicapped, both physically and mentally. I was the oldest and did a lot of the housekeeping work, because mom was pregnant much of the time and very involved with my handicapped brother. I cooked, cleaned, did laundry constantly - I don't think it was ten loads a day but maybe three or four.

    Lots of diapers - mom used cloth, which meant not only the diapers had to be washed but the covers and often clothes also had to be changed with each diaper change - and washed. We had three in diapers at once for one memorable year, then at least two for the next three years, and my youngest sister was still in diapers when I left.

    We cooked everything from scratch for a long time, until mom found a place that sold some convenience items like macaroni and cheese for less than we could make it. Mom couldn't drive, so we walked everywhere. We never went to movies, we didn't do afterschool stuff, we had one tv and didn't have either cable or a vcr for a long time. Mom made all our clothes and did such a fabulous job that she was much in demand for "outside work" - doing everything from tailoring uniforms to creating wedding dresses and formalwear. Other than this work, we survived on my dad's single income. Thanks to my upbringing, I now don't shy away from preparing homeade meals for my dogs - it's a cinch compared to cooking for eight humans! Picking up poop? Cleaning kennels and crates? It's nothing when I remember cleaning up after four preschoolers and infants in the throes of a stomach virus!

    I don't understand why it's difficult to believe that some moms find complete satisfaction in just - being a mom. We nod and smile when someone comes on here and says, "My dogs are my life - if I can't bring my dog somewhere I don't want to go there!" Seems like raising nice kids who will become nice people has more of a far reaching effect on the world than raising nice dogs.

    I have a friend who had seven of her own and adopted an eighth (between #6 and #7) . Additionally, they foster crack babies - their adopted child is one of these, in fact. My friend loves being a mom, even enjoyed being pregnant. Her kids are delightful children, very responsible, helpful, adaptable, and of course highly tolerant since they share their home with high needs children from terrible backgrounds. They also share their home with her disabled mother and her dad (who adds his income to that of the household). They recently purchased a large RV so that all twelve of them can take vacations together - and even take her sister's family of five, too.

    As to giving kids individual attention - well, my great grandmother raised 13 kids to adulthood while moving westward every few years. Scottish immigrants, my great grandparents joined thousands of people who shared their belief in the late 1800s, that when a town got too big, it was time to carve out a new home further west. I can't imagine raising all those kids in pioneer conditions, but now that I too live the modern farm life and share that with my kids, it's easier to understand the way sharing in the household chores (important stuff, not just makework) shapes children mentally and physically, directs their energy, teaches them responsibility, encourages problem solving skills, and develops a strong sense of self-worth. I've seen it in my own kids. I've seen it in my friend's kids, who all have their own oars to pull in the household. I'd like to know what's wrong with teaching kids to take pride the part they play in a smoothly running household?

    I just don't see why we need to pass judgment on this family. It's not like having 17 children is going to become the next great fad - I had two and thank you, that was enough. I certainly hope being nice is not creepy - everyone comments on how "nice" my kids are too and honestly I'll say that I worked awfully hard to get that result, especially with my youngest who is ADHD, but you'd never know - and he is not medicated.

    Well, does anyone have a stepstool? I seem to be having some trouble climbing off this high horse . . .[:D]
    • Gold Top Dog
    We nod and smile when someone comes on here and says, "My dogs are my life - if I can't bring my dog somewhere I don't want to go there!" Seems like raising nice kids who will become nice people has more of a far reaching effect on the world than raising nice dogs.


    Excellent post Bookcove!

    I'll chime in. I have no complaint with caring, loving, involved parents who can manage 16 children apparently very effectively. My problem is those that have one and can't seem to spend the time and effort to bring forth a productive person into this world!

    I have an acquaintance (friend of a friend actually) who has 13 kids. He's the head of a children's hospital and his wife stays at home. Their children are lovely inside and out.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Seems like raising nice kids who will become nice people has more of a far reaching effect on the world than raising nice dogs.

     
    Well, maybe but since I'm not a kid person I don't feel like I should have them just because others think kids are more important than dogs. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well, maybe but since I'm not a kid person I don't feel like I should have them just because others think kids are more important than dogs.


    I'm not saying everyone's mission should be to raise kids. I'm saying it seems like these people deserve at least as much respect for the choices they've made, as we'd give someone who chooses to make dogs (or cats or horses or Harley Davidsons or whatever) the center of their lives.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well, maybe but since I'm not a kid person I don't feel like I should have them just because others think kids are more important than dogs.


    DEFINITELY NOT! I respect that choice. No one should have kids unless they're willing to be completely committed and want them. (sounds familiar!) You're the best Willow's mom!
    • Gold Top Dog
    As long as the family is supporting themselves and not making the government do it, I say go for it if you want to.

     
    The government is doing it if they are all going to public school LOL.
    I have met the government, and he is us.
    The only thing I worry about here, same as with dogs, is the huge overpopulation of a planet with finite resources. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    I believe this family is Mormon, not that it should matter but in this conversation it does.
    The mormon church can and will support this family no matter what, they believe they are doing the right thing.  I personally don't believe in what they believe in but I do agree that more people and churches could learn a lot from the mormon's example of taking care of their own.
     
    JMO
    Julie
    • Gold Top Dog
    In one of the stories, it says they are Southern Baptist. 

    Personally, I'd be crying over the mountains of laundry, too, and wondering if I had bit off more than I could chew. 
    • Silver
    ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

    As long as the family is supporting themselves and not making the government do it, I say go for it if you want to.


    The government is doing it if they are all going to public school LOL.
    I have met the government, and he is us.
    The only thing I worry about here, same as with dogs, is the huge overpopulation of a planet with finite resources. 


    They are homeschooled. And as far as the planet's resources, Sharismom only wanted one, Willows mum doesn't want any so in a world where the average is 2.5 children (We'll use two for ease sake) there are three kids that didn't happen in other homes that happened in the Duggar home populations wise only!
     Everything is gonna even out somehow. [:)]


    I just don't see what the problem is... This family has decided they want children and lots of them. They are debt free and loving and supportive. They are teaching their children to be good people and to do chores every day! (I wish my MIL had instilled that in my DH) As far as anything donated... what skin is it off anyone elses nose if Kenmore wants to donate washing machines for a family like that for the publicity... It takes NOTHING away from you for them to do that for that family. OR churches for that matter... it doesn't hurt anyone else to help them so why not!?
    I grew up in a family of five... my three eldest siblings were so far older than me it was really like living in a family of 2... My parents STILL didn't do that great a job... And that was only with 2 in the house... now they only have one in the house and things are worse yet...
    Some people can handle that some people can't... I personally would be happy if I could just have one! More would be welcome but I do wish I could have kids!I don't hold it against that family though!
    • Gold Top Dog
    I can't watch shows like that because they irk me. And they make my uterus cringe. But seriously, unless someone in the family is filthy rich, I find it hard to believe that they aren't getting any help either through the government or donations. It can be hard to raise 1 child with 2 parents working and I just can't imagine a family raising 16 kids without any help whatsoever. Not only that I think it's extremely unfair to expect the other kids to help raise their siblings. I'm not saying they shouldn't help out by doing choirs around the house but I don't think they should pick up the slack because their parents refuse or suck at the Rhythm Method. And what about college? How are these parents going to send all their little'uns to college? Or do they not want their children to be educated and successful in the real world?
    • Gold Top Dog
    I can't believe I'm posting about the Duggars in a dog related forum....however if you want more story on the Duggars than you will ever want to read, head over to [linkhttp://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3120234]http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3120234[/link] where there is 272 pages of speculation, information and oh so good snark on this series !  (yes you read correctly.....272 pages....which by the way does not include the new 72 pages listed under "16 Children and Moving In"
     
    There is a lot about this family that is disturbing.  First their basement church, their all-inclusive lifestyle that severely limits outside exposure, the fact that the older kids are raising the younger ones, the mother who has no degree homeschooling such a wide range of ages all alone, the junk food these kids live on, the fact that the mother weans early/turns the baby over to the new buddy/ and moves on to the next, the free stuff they get from exposing their family on TV....the list goes on and on. 
     
    The oldest is taking college classes online, which insinuates for sure that no Duggar kid will ever go to a mainstream school of any kind.  Also a couple of the girls are already expressing interest in being (surprise-surprise) midwives.  My gripe here being that how in the world can these kids even know what they want to be when they aren't exposed to the outside world at all !  They even said in the new special that they hope their children will build houses on their new property when they get married.  This is the beginnings of a compound, and far from just a family with 16 kids.
     
    Nice is creepy when we are talking about people who want to cripple their children this way !
     
    Ok.....now back to dogs....[:D]
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: gr8pyrz

    I can't believe I'm posting about the Duggars in a dog related forum....however if you want more story on the Duggars than you will ever want to read, head over to [linkhttp://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3120234]http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3120234[/link] where there is 272 pages of speculation, information and oh so good snark on this series !  (yes you read correctly.....272 pages....which by the way does not include the new 72 pages listed under "16 Children and Moving In"

    There is a lot about this family that is disturbing.  First their basement church, their all-inclusive lifestyle that severely limits outside exposure, the fact that the older kids are raising the younger ones, the mother who has no degree homeschooling such a wide range of ages all alone, the junk food these kids live on, the fact that the mother weans early/turns the baby over to the new buddy/ and moves on to the next, the free stuff they get from exposing their family on TV....the list goes on and on. 

    The oldest is taking college classes online, which insinuates for sure that no Duggar kid will ever go to a mainstream school of any kind.  Also a couple of the girls are already expressing interest in being (surprise-surprise) midwives.  My gripe here being that how in the world can these kids even know what they want to be when they aren't exposed to the outside world at all !  They even said in the new special that they hope their children will build houses on their new property when they get married.  This is the beginnings of a compound, and far from just a family with 16 kids.

    Nice is creepy when we are talking about people who want to cripple their children this way !

    Ok.....now back to dogs....[:D]

     
    Thanks for taking the time to post. Couldn't have said it better myself!! [8D]
    • Gold Top Dog
    All I know for 100% is there is no way in hell I would do a WIFE SWAP show with this woman.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    There's actually three shows on these folks. I can't even imagine how you pay for over 20k in just groceries in a year. I haven't figured out what kind of job the dad has, although they did say they have no debt, made some investments earlier in life, and he served a term in the state senate (although that doesn't pay much). He also ran for US Senate, I believe. Anyway, if it takes over 20k to feed everyone, what kind of income must they need to get by with everything else? I'm barely able to get our finances in order. I can't imagine what they do.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: marynh

    All I know for 100% is there is no way in hell I would do a WIFE SWAP show with this woman.


     
    LOL. You know what? I think you just gave the producers of these shows an "idea". [:D]
     
    Sorry, I just realized that I had posted this thread in the wrong area. Should have been posted in the NDR. My apologies.... Please forgive me...