unhappy and whining Raja...what to do???

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    unhappy and whining Raja...what to do???

    I am not sure this is in the right place. But ever since I got Raja, about 5 months ago, she is so whinny. When she wants something all she does is whine.
    For inatance when I try to crate her she will immedietly whine and bark repetitively and barks so loud that I have to let her out or I am afraid the neighbors will complain.
    I have tried letting her whine and bark, because I know it is not good to let her out once she barks, but she will bark loudly for 40 minutes. I tried to intruduce the crate slowly and give her her Kong when she is in it, which she gets at no other time. But she will not even eat her Kong when she is crated she is so upset.
     
    And she whines at literally everything, when she wants you to play and you dont want to she will bark and whine for hours, and I am not joking. I also can not leave her outside for a moment alone or she will bark and whine and scratch like crazy. It is getting very difficult. I have tried ignoring her but I live in a duplex and she can not bark for an hour.
     
    Aslo we have stray rabbits, that have made a home in our font yard, now Raja is OBSESSED with them she will not leave the door and has not stopped whining, she will not even eat she is so obsessed with them.
     
    I think this has to do with the fact that she was chained up and had no attention for 2 years but I really do not know what to do. She constantly seems unhappy and as if she wants more.
    Any suggestions or advice would be wonderful!
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    You can't reinforce it. If you have to go outside with her, on a leash, to keep from letting her in while she is vocalizing, do it. I'd completely ignore her any time she's whining.
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    But what should I do when she has to be crated? she will bark and whine for hours, and scratch at the wire and act like she is digging to try to get out. My neibors have complained once about her barking because she barks so loud and it is very high pitched. I also can not even put her in a bedroom for one minute without her barking and digging at the carpet, and she will even do this when I am in the same room as her but she wants out....I tell her no and she ignors me and keeps doing it.  If I ignore her will she eventually stop???I have tried ignoring her but when she is barking for an hour without stopping its hard to
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    But what should I do when she has to be crated? she will bark and whine for hours, and scratch at the wire and act like she is digging to try to get out.


    Get a book on seperation anxiety? Hire a trainer? Sounds like she has two issues. Whining to get what she wants, and freaking out when she's left alone.
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    She does this even when I am in the same room as her, so doesn't that mean it is not separation anxiety?  And she is going to training in April. I am just wondering why she never seems content, even when she is with me and I am petting her or playing with her. I know it probably does have alot to do with me, that when she whines and barks for a long time I tend to give her what she wants because I can not have a barking dog all day. Can you suggest any books that might help? I have also taken her to the vet, because I thought something might be wrong with her but she is healthy.
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    I'm nasty about stuff like that. I let them sit there and bark. I don't care. Of course, all of my neighbors are far away (like a couple of acres between houses).

    NILIF might help. I doubt classes will. It might be better to have someone come and watch the behavior (a trainer or behaviorist) and show you what will really help. Hopefully, someone a little more experienced will come along and give advice.

    Someone (I think it was Emma Parsons, in "Click  to Calm") said, "It's just a behavior." Behaviors can be modified into something you want, by rewarding them or ignoring them,
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    Ben went through a stage of doing this when he was younger.  I think in our case it was simply a puppy testing his limits, but I did find that throwing a dark-coloured sheet over his crate (as if he were a parrot! lol)  helped.  Since he couldn't see what was going on around him he wasn't so desperate to come out and be part of it.
     
    I don't need to use it anymore - he learned pretty quickly that whining in his crate will cause me to block his view of everything.
     
    Kate
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    It's simple, she's learned to get you to do what she wants by barking and whining. [;)] The ONLY way to stop it is to completely ignore her when she does those behaviors, EVERY time. If you give in even 1 time out of 10 it will make her that much more persistent with the barking and whining.

    Since you live in a duplex I recommend getting a citronella bark collar. It's safe and will spray her with an unpleasant mist when she barks. She seems like a smart dog and my guess is that she'll catch on quickly. She sounds like she needs more mental stimulation, so I'd give her some treat dispensing toys if you don't have something like that already. I'd also increase her exercise; a tired dog is a quiet happy dog. [:D]
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    It sounds like you have two issues:  she doesn't like being crated, and she is demand barking/whining. 
     
    As for crating, you could try going back to crating basics.  Was she ever happy in the crate?  I'd start trying to re-establish it as a happy place like you are just starting out.  Play games with her to get her excited about the crate.  Leave her treats and toys in there to find.  Feed her meals in there.  Start by closing the door for very short intervals and working up to longer periods.  But maybe you've tried all this stuff already.   Some dogs just don't take to crating, and she could be one of them -- maybe try an ex-pen instead, or a small dogproof room, or baby-gate her in a small area, until you find a confinement solution she is more comfortable with. 
     
    For demand barking/whining, you need to make 100% sure that you do not reward this behavior.  It is working for her so she is going to keep doing it until you are very clear and consistent at teaching her that it is not going to work anymore.  Instead, only silence will work.  For example, say you are getting ready to go for a walk, and she sees the leash and starts whining in excitement.  As soon as she whines or barks, freeze.  Stop getting ready.  Stand rock-still, cross your arms and look away from her, and wait.  As soon as you get a few seconds of silence, start moving again.  More whining?  Freeze.  It might take forever to go on that walk the first time, but the next time will be much shorter.  You will be setting up new rules for how she gets what she wants.  But you need to be consistent and not give in. 
     
    You could also try teaching her a "quiet" command.  You can do this by interrupting her with "quiet" -- if you get even a few seconds of quiet, then immediately praise/treat and say "good quiet."  You can gradually lengthen the time before you praise/treat and she should start to get the idea. 
     
    You can expect demand barking to get worse before it gets better (an extinction burst) but it should get better.  But you must ignore it and you can't give in.  Wear earplugs if you have to. 
     
    A last-resort option would be to try spraying the dog with water in a spray bottle when she barks.  My dog went through a period where he would NOT stop demand barking for fetch and after several months of ignoring I was desperate enough to try this.  He is a very "soft" dog who doesn't like corrections and this really worked -- two sprays fixed the problem.  But it also was very negative for him -- he acted like I'd hit him, ran away shaking and hid in his crate and wouldn't come out.  So wouldn't try that until you have really exhausted your other options. 
     
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    Benedict- I will try to put a sheet over her crate and see that improves things. I think I need to try to re-crate train her because she is not in the carte that much, just when we leave. Thanks for that suggestion!
     
    Luvntzus - I was thinking I might have to get a contronella collar as well. I will use it as a last resort, first I am going to try to be much more strict with her, when she wines and barks I will completly ignor her, and if this doesn't help much I will try the collar. She has a kong which she LOVES normally, but when I put it in her carte she ignors it and won't even eat it. I know there are a few more toys that I could get for her that might keep her happy. She gets alot of exercise, 2 hour walks and playtime in the back yard, and she goes to dog park too, I have heard training tires them out I should start doing it more with her!
     
    Acesmom - She used to be a bit more content in the crate when we first got her, I would usually take her for a walk then crate her so she would be tired out. And she also looked foward to her Kong and treats I would put in there. We used to crate her more though, now its just when we leave, I think she was getting more getting used to it and then we started using it less, which was a bad idea. I amd going to sort of re-train her. Last night and this morning I fed her in it and threw some treats in it with the door open.
    Also you are right whenever I get her leash she goes crazy, she jumps up everwhere and barks and whines, she has to wear a Halti and she struggles so bad I can usually barley get it on her, it takes about 10 minutes just to put it on her.
    Aslo, a long time ago, my mom had a Mathew Margolous book, and he said to get a soda can and put pennies in and when the dog barks or whines shake the can close to their ears...is this a good idea???.....I was also thinking of the spray bottle, she isn't a timid dog at all so if all else fails I will try this.
     
    I think maily I need to completly ignore her, I think I was reinforcing her behavior. Thanks everyone for your help!!!I will tell you how things go!
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    Good luck! And remember be 100% consistent. Being a firm leader helps with separation anxiety also. [:)]
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    Well, things did not go so great today. I had to leave and she would NOT, nomatter what I put in her crate, go in it, so I was forced to leave her out. I picked up most things that she could get into....well....since we have stray bunnies that have burroed about a foot from out front door, Raja went crazy trying to get to them.
     
    She jumped up on the counter and tried to get out by ruining the blinds she also ate about 20 cookies that were in a tupperwear and donuts [sm=eek.gif]. It was my fault I should not have left her without being in her crate but I had a dentist App and was already late. She has been left many times uncrated and done wonderful, but ever since the rabbits made their home our home, she is obsessed with them.
    I hate to call AC on the bunnies, but I might have to...
    So anyways tonight will be a night full of re-crate training
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    ORIGINAL: Raja19

    Well, things did not go so great today. I had to leave and she would NOT, nomatter what I put in her crate, go in it, so I was forced to leave her out.


    Can't you just lead her by the collar and put her in there? It definitely sounds like she's ruling the roost...
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    I have tried doing that, she will not let me, she will pull and jump and sit down and at 85 pounds I can't make her budge. I decided to put her crate in the living room and she actually did go in it when I put treats in there. I also am feeding her in there now. I think she felt secluded in the crate in the other room.
    Also, I have always heard to not force a dog in the crate, so I thought that by pulling her into she would like it even less....am I wrong. But, it would have been better then leaving her out because I am afraid next time she will hurt herself.
     
    Also I contacted a behaviorist, from being chained up she has lots of problems, including that she is extreamly stubburn, and since she is stronger then me she has gotten her way. I can not even walk her anymore, she has slipped out of her Halti 4 times before because she saw another dog, and it is tight on her but she jumps up and tosses her head everywhere, and somehow she gets out of it.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that things are not going too well.  :(
     
    Ben  wouldn't wear a Halti either.  I think they are a great tool for dogs who will happily wear them, but some dogs really do just refuse.  A No-Pull harness was definitely the answer for us.  I am a thousand times more in control on our walks, and that control has actually spread to other areas of training as well, since Ben KNOWS I am in control now, no matter what the circumstances.  Misbehaving on his harness is not an option, and he can't wriggle out of it, like he did with the Halti.
     
    I think a behaviourist is a great idea, but thought I'd offer the suggestion of a harness because I am sure her problems aren't being helped by lack of exercise.  (Not a criticism of you, but it's almost certainly making your life more difficult.)
     
    Kate