Just curious....Have any of you purchased a dog from a pet store?

    • Gold Top Dog
    Years ago I was powerfully tempted by a little parti cocker in a pet store.  I could not justify spending $400 for a pet store pup (that'll tell you how long ago this was) when so many were dying in shelters, but I really wanted a cocker.  Eventually I got my cocker, but that particular puppy lust was filled with our adorable Miss Daisey from the shelter......
    • Gold Top Dog
    I would not buy a pup from any source that kept dogs in involuntary servitude in cages, pregnant year after year, and then dumps them when they aren't useful any more.  I wouldn't buy from anyone who lies and says they get their dogs from "breeders" when they know darn well where the puppies come from (mills in the Midwest and other places).  I wouldn't buy from anyone who sells the latest fad mixes (Yorkie-poos, Cavachons, and Anythingdoodles).  They are just in it to make a buck, and not for the welfare of any breed.  They are not creating a "new" breed, and they aren't creating any new "registries" that matter.  All lies to take your moolah. 
    Pups from reputable breeders cost less in most cases - even if the purchase price is the same, often the vet bills are lower!
    You are not "saving" any dogs by buying from pet stores - you are continuing a system that preys on your sympathy and keeps dogs in crappy conditions on the breeding farms.
    Please don't buy from pet stores no matter what!!!!!!  And, if you've done it in the past, learn and don't do it again.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Will not purchase anything from a pet store that sells dogs or cats.  Recommend to all my students not to make purchases from pet stores that sell dogs and cats.  Have no problem with pet supply stores that work with rescue groups to find homes for animals.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I never have, but in college my roommate bought a Golden puppy from Petco or Petsmart back when they used to sell pups. He turned out to be a good dog but she did spend a lot of money in his first year on various medical issues he was having.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I've never had a petstore dog or cat. My mom would never let us. She prefers to, as do I , to get rescue dogs. For her though, anytime we mention possibly not getting a rescue dog next and getting a dog from a breeder, she flips out and insists the next dog will be from a rescue. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Shadow was given to us by friends who initially bought him at a pet store that sells puppies. The breeder, listed in the purchase papers, is not on any breeder list I have been able to find, nor is he known to any local breeders I have contacted.  That being said, he does appear to be a true mutt, which is the designation of a mix of two purebreeds. Judging from the evaluations of those with a keen eye for breed standards, he is, indeed, a mix of Siberian Husky and Labrador Retriever. Furthermore, from what I have learned about canine genetics, specifically mtDNA, momma was a brown, red, and white Siberian and daddy was a black Lab.
     
    But, he didn't get to stay with his original owner. She and our friend's son ran out of money and had to move back in with their respective families. Her family was going to put him to sleep just to be mean to her and had already done so with 2 of her cats. You might say we rescued him.
     
    I didn't have a clue, at first. But I learned in a gosh-darned hurry. And no, I will not buy from a pet store, byb, or anyone that could be associated with a puppy mill. And I may not buy from a breeder when I could find a Siberian, sometimes purebred, in the shelter of our mostly rural county. Just yesterday, a white Siberian (which is a designer color, there is no foundation stock for an all white Siberian), with no collar or id was running through town. I didn't have anything with me to catch him. Problem is, he's obviously an escape artist, even though he only looked to be approx. 1 to 1.5 years old. The city maintenance guy who is handy with a catch pole was busy fixing a water leak. Even if he had to the time, he can not catch a dog that can run anywhere, 15 mph at a trot, 30 to 40 mph at full crank. But there's ya one, free for the catching, if you can.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I personally don't own any dogs from a pet store, but I do have two dogs from BYBs (one a gift, and the other an honest to goodness rescue!)  And though I got Ogre from a shelter, I strongly suspect his first owners got him from the local Petland, for alot of different reasons. But growing up, most of our dogs *did* come from various local pet stores...my parents didn't know better (and wouldn't have cared if they did.) The only one that is still with them is Sugar, an 11 year old miniature poodle. She's never had any behavioral problems, though not many people can really stand to be aorund her because she's needy attention-wise to the point of being extremely irritating. She doesnt bother you until you show her the slightest hint of affection...and then you're done. She'll follow you around from then on grovelling and dancing at your feet and will never, ever, ever stop. It doesn't sound like it would be a problem, but it really is.

    She has had a few health problems though. She's had seizures 3-4 times that we know of...usually triggered by fear or stress (getting seriously yelled at, going to the groomers, etc) so lots of effort has to be made to keep her calm and stress free. She's also starting to go blind and just age in general...and from what I understand, 11 is *not* old for a poodle and she shouldn't seem the age she is.

    I haven't lived in Macon long enough to know much about the pet stores here, but in columbus, there were always plenty of local stores that sold puppies. One of them got all of their puppies from BYBs, and while they obviously didn't come from reputable breeders, they were always friendly and seemingly healthy. Another always had lots of puppies, and these obvious came from a mill. They were always terrified of people, even at that young age, and many of them actually bit if you tried to pet them...they had never ever been handled at all in their short lives. Alot of them had also spent alot of time on wire...most of the puppies there had long nails that curved under and would constantly spin in circles in their cages...it was really, really sad. The owner also bred chihuahuas (obviously also not a good breeder) and they were at least friendly, unlike all of the other mill puppies. I'm not sure, but I've heard that store has finally closed down.

    About a year ago they built a Petland there, and everyone seems to think it's the greatest thing ever created. It's actually become a huge fad in Columbus to own a Petland puppy and on weekends you generally have trouble getting in the door it's so packed. I saw a woman there once who had taken out a loan to buy a really crappy looking pomeranian puppy. I've had all the usual arguments with the employees about the claims they make about their puppies, and of course it gets me nowhere. I also ended up getting a rat from there about a year ago who they were allowing to lay suffering and dying in his cage, because he wasn't "worth" the cost of vet care. [:@] The place is absolutely horrible, and probably everyone in town now has a dog from there. When I went to get Ogre, I saw LOTS of purebred dogs, all under a year, in the shelter...I promise they were all Petland impule buys. After I got Ogre, I wondered where he came from...I've always scanned the calssifieds out of habit, and I had never, EVER seen Akitas listed. Ogre doesn't seem like a particularly well bred Akita (he's a great dog, just not something I think would have come from a reputable breeder) so I doubt he came from anything other than a mill or a BYB. I decided to check at Petland on my last trip to Columbus, and sure enough, they had akita puppies. 3 of the 4 they had looked EXACTLY like Ogre...and Ogre's particular markings are not common. I can't prove it, but given his age, and the fact that I had NEVER seen akitas listed in the paper...I strongly suspect that's where he came from. I'll never know for sure though.

    It does really upset me the breeds these places sell...like Akitas, Dobies, GSDs, etc....all dogs who are definitely not for the average person and in most of the households they end up in, are a total disaster waiting to happen. It bothers me that any idiot can wonder into a Petland, see a cute akita puppy, and take it home without even knowing how to pronounce the breed's name, much less how to take care of it. [:(]

    Anyway, it seems like since Petland has opened the other two major puppy carrying pet stores in Columbus are closed or about to. They're being driven out of business, but I don't think it makes much difference, since PEtland is now getting all of their business and then some. [:'(]
     
    And my parents, who KNOW BETTER are planning on buying an English Bulldog puppy once Sugar passes on. I've done everything I can to convince them to go through rescue or a reputable breeder, and they just roll their eyes and pat me on the shoulder. They know about all of the problems with pet store puppies (especially dogs with all of the problems that an EB can have!) and they just don't care. They're either going to get one from Petland, or out of the newspaper. Nothing I say will convince them otherwise. And I think that's what it boils down to for most eople...convenience. It's so much easier to run out and buy a puppy than to spend time tracking one down in rescue, or going to a reputable breeder. People want things now, now, now, and for that reason, stores that sell puppies will always have a reason to continue selling them. [:(]
    • Gold Top Dog
    If my life is nothing more than a commercial for shutting down puppy mills, it's at least worth it to share this story.
     
    I rescued my chocolate Lab, Belle (fondly and more commonly known as "Bunny") from a lab rescue here in the Midwest.  She was about a year old and was from a puppy mill in the Kentucky/W VA area or somewhere like that.  She had been bred before she was 8 months old and had a litter, and had also been wandering the streets.  She had been starving as well - she was about 23" tall at the shoulder and weighed only 55 lbs.  This is very small for a Lab. 
     
    Here's a picture of her the day that I brought her home.
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    Bunny had major food issues from the day she came home.  She used to eat the bark off trees in my yard to keep her stomach feeling full.  She could never get used to the fact that meals came at the same time every day, without fail.  She woke me every morning at 5:30am to be fed and nearly broke through a glass door to get inside when she saw me preparing her meal in the bowl.  Needless to say, she had serious food aggression issues and bit my then-boyfriend in the hand and gave him five puncture wounds (this was about 4 months after she was adopted).  I spent $1000+ and several months working with a behaviorist to try to "fix" her and we even tried medication (Elavil).  It actually wound up making her worse and her aggression ballooned to include toys and other resources.  After four months of this her rescue suggested that I put her down.  I couldn't do it...so I managed her for 3 more years, until my lifestyle changed and I was no longer able to reasonably manage her issues (I got married and we have a young stepdaughter, and constantly have people and kids over at the house...which wasn't the case when I was a single gal).  I contacted her rescue to see about rehoming her and they sent a very well-known trainer to evaluate her.  This trainer makes a living helping to rehab hard-luck aggression cases, but after evaluating Bunny she basically said that there was no way she could be "fixed".  She talked about her poor breeding (given her coloring she's clearly a chocolate-to-chocolate pairing), how she was "wired", and why the methods and medications I'd tried with her weren't going to change Bunny.  Some dogs are just poorly bred and poorly wired and cannot shake their demons.  She'd been through absolute hell in her early life and just was never able to grow beyond that.  And so I had to put down this dog at age 4.  I can't tell you what a complete and total hell this was for me.  I loved that dog.  She was so hard to love, but she was so tormented you couldn't help but love her anyway.  She had her moments where she could be sweet and affectionate, but they were very short-lived because she never felt comfortable enough to make herself vulnerable to people.  I went through hell wrestling with this decision, not to mention putting down a physically healthy animal - it is just not the same as putting down an old dog or a sick dog.  It was like, something is wrong in the world that this has to happen.
     
    Here is a picture of Bunny when she was at her prime.  I was a damn good dog Mom and cared about her immensely.  This remains my favorite picture of her. 
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    As the trainer told me when she gave me her opinion - Bunny and I were the victims here.  The real ass hole in this situation is the piece of @*&% breeder who's churning out these dogs to make a buck.  I'm sorry for my language, but this is only a glimpse of how incredibly angry I am that I had to go through this and that I had to put down a dog that I loved because of some bastard that chooses to exploit a living thing for the purpose of making money.  That a dog like Bunny could be created in this world, in this COUNTRY, is deplorable.  I am, to this day, angry that I had to be the one to deal with this situation.  Angry that Bunny ultimately had to die because someone else was motiviated by nothing other than pure greed. 
     
    What sickens me more is that Bunny reproduced and I'm sure that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of dogs out there like her.  She had absolutely no business being bred - and being a "fad" color of a popular breed is NOT EVER a good reason. 
     
    Here is a picture of Bunny shortly before she was put down, with my black Lab, Cole. 
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    • Gold Top Dog
    I haven't - but my best friends' daughter purchased a rat terrier from a pet store for about $450.  That little dog (who stayed extremely small - about 8 lbs.) was plagued with health problems from day #1.  She was on meds for her heart, her kidneys, seizures, etc.  You name it, that dog suffered from it.  She lived to be about 12-1/2, but I'm sure that was only because she had an excellent mom.  Mom says next time it will be a shelter dog. [:)] BTW, this may be a little OT, but does anyone have any idea what actually happens to those pups in pet stores if they don't get sold while they're still puppies?  I've often wondered where the slightly older dogs go, since all  you ever see in those cages are very young pups.
     
    Joyce
    • Gold Top Dog
    We've never had a pet store dog or cat. The dogs & cats I grew up with were always rescues or freebies from people to cheap or lazy to get their pets fixed. Our Dalmation was from a litter my MIL raised. She was great at raising pups, but sucked as a breeder. Her pair never should have been bred. The male was great temperment and conformation, but had seizures. The female was just plain spastic. Our Dal has his daddy's great looks - and seizures. And his momma's spastic temperment. Our other dog, Lucy is a rescue.

    I've never considered buying a dog or cat from a pet store or even a breeder. I don't have any need for a specific breed, my dogs are companions and pets only. I have no problem with good breeders or people who buy from them. I just have a frugal German upbringing that prevents me from getting a $750 dog when a $125 rescue will do! I do make it a point to NEVER support a petstore that sells pups and kittens. I won't even buy a toy or can of fish food there. I support only pet stores that do rescue or don't sell pets at all. And boy, did my cousin get an earful when I found out she bought a pup at Petland!
    • Gold Top Dog
    I have purchased from breeders, I have rescued many..........and that is the reason I would never get an animal from a petstore....puppy mills usually provide the stock.......[:@]
    • Gold Top Dog
    Both our dogs growing up were from breeders. We had a beagle then a basset. What kind of breeder - I have no idea - but the basset was shipped to us from somewhere - I'd have to ask my mom.  The basset was plagued with skin problems (that I now realize were probably allergy related). 
     
    I can't stomach the look of those puppies sitting in newspaper in a window.  I also can't believe how many people are completely uneducated about buying/adopting a dog.  I teach, and every year at least 3 families will buy a dog from a pet store.  I can't be really preachy because I really can't stand people who force feed their opinions on others, but I do talk about rescue, the local shelter and the benefits of adopting dogs.  Unfortunately for some the message doesn't make it home.
     
    Both mine are rescues.  My mom's is a rescue.  I'm working with friends who are ready to adopt and are waiting for the right dog to come in to our shelter.  I try to get the message out - but there's still a lot of ignorance and impulsiveness that are supporting puppy mills and pet stores.  Unfortunately this impulsiveness and ignorance also leads to dogs getting dumped.  The whole thing just sickens me.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: fuzzy_dogs_mom

    I haven't - but my best friends' daughter purchased a rat terrier from a pet store for about $450.  That little dog (who stayed extremely small - about 8 lbs.) was plagued with health problems from day #1.  She was on meds for her heart, her kidneys, seizures, etc.  You name it, that dog suffered from it.  She lived to be about 12-1/2, but I'm sure that was only because she had an excellent mom.  Mom says next time it will be a shelter dog. [:)] BTW, this may be a little OT, but does anyone have any idea what actually happens to those pups in pet stores if they don't get sold while they're still puppies?  I've often wondered where the slightly older dogs go, since all  you ever see in those cages are very young pups.
     
    Joyce


    The slightly older ones go anywhere the b&%$^*%$^ can send them to recover a buck, or they are put down.  And, if you get a sick pup and return it, guess where that one goes?  That's how these jerks stay in biz.  They *know* that you will be attached to the pup, not want to return it, so will deal with the huge vet bills yourself.  They are all scum, plain unadulterated scum.
    • Gold Top Dog
    How sad! 4 surgeries! geez! Just due to too much breeding or inbreeding? Gosh, that is just horrible. I always read about how horrible it is, but I wasnt sure what all the fuss was about! I wonder why they end up being so much bigger? What do you mean by they dont come close to the breed standard? Sorry, I am rookie on the whole doggie lingo! LOL :)



    He was so sick because he was bred carelessly. Breeding is something that needs to be seriously considered, because of congenital conditions. He inherited those conditions from his parents.

    Most of them are too big, again, because of careless breeding. Careful breeders pay attention to the breed standard and don't breed oversized dogs.

    The breed standard is a written standard of what a "perfect" dog of a certain breed is to look like. It is what show dogs are competing against.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Here's my and my family's story.
     
    We bought my heart GSD from a pet store back in 1977 or 1978.  He was an amazing dog, super friendly and super obedient.  He was always very gentle and had no major health problems until he was 9 or so.  He developed a rare brain fungus which was so rare that no one knew much about it.  For that reason we got his health care for that last stage of his life without cost, except for paying for the gas to drive him up to UPitt veterinary school.  He was put to sleep after 14 months of treatment.  No behavioral issues.
     
    My little sister got her Pekingnese, Sammy, at a pet store.  He was super smart and convinced everyone but me that he was dumb and didn't know better.  He urinated in the house, had leash reactive issues, barked more than even a peke should, and thought he was the baddest thing on four legs.  (Despite the fact that his "brother" the Akita could have crushed him without even an extra breath.)  He developed a tumor in his nasal cavity and had eye problems.  He was PTS at the age of 11.
     
    By contrast Shiloh, the Akita, came from a breeder and was diagnosed with sebaceous adenitis at the age of 3 and was on drug treatments for the rest of his life.  Sophie, the female peke, is still holding tenaciously onto her life at 17 years old.  She was a show quality girl we got from a breeder.  She has had an amazing assortment of eye problems, leading to the removal of one of her eyes.  She's deaf, almost blind and once every two or three days she still gets the zoomies and acts like a puppy. 
     
    That was before I knew what a puppy mill was.  Now I'll drive 20 miles out of my way to get food from a store that doesn't sell puppies.