Is the Pledge of Allegiance not allowed in schools?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Is the Pledge of Allegiance not allowed in schools?

    I am out of the mainstream, as my kids are in their 30's, but I was sent this poem by my cousin.  It kind of floored me...

      New Pledge of Allegiance   Since the Pledge of Allegiance and The Lord's Prayer are not allowed in most public schools anymore Because the word "God" is mentioned....

    A kid in
    Arizona wrote the attached

    NEW  School prayer.


    Now I sit me down in school

    Where praying is against the rule

    For this great nation under God

    Finds mention of Him very odd.

    If Scripture now the class recites,

    It violates the Bill of Rights.

    And anytime my head I bow

    Becomes a Federal matter now
    .
    Our hair can be purple, orange or green,

    That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.

    The law is specific, the law is precise.

    Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
       For praying in a public hall

    Might offend someone with no faith at all.

    In silence alone we must meditate,

    God's name is prohibited by the state.


    We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,

    And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.

    They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.

    To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
          
    We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,

    And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.

    It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,

    We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

    We can get our condoms and birth controls,

    Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.

    But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,

    No word of God must reach this crowd.


     It's scary here I must confess,

    When chaos reigns the school's a mess.

    So, Lord, this silent plea I make:

    Should I be shot; My soul please take!

    Amen

    • Gold Top Dog
    If it has been outlawed, I think it's a bunch of BS. "One nation under God" is on our money, for pete's sake.
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    Sounds like internet urban  myth to me. No kid wrote that poem. An adult did.
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    I don't think the Pledge of Allegiance has been outlawed anywhere.  I think the debate is on whether or not "under God" stays in or gets taken out. Originally, it wasn't in there - it was put in during the Eisenhower administration in the early/mid 50s. Without actually dating myself here, I'll admit that when I learned the Pledge, it wasn't in there. [:D]

    Joyce & Max
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    I don't think it has been outlawed, but since I was in the 8th grade I believe six years ago we have stop saying it in school. We use to do each day in school then one day it was gone. It wasn't until my last two years in school did I say the pledge in my FFA club when I was at my Joint Vocational School.
     
    I graduated last year and I even asked my nine year old cousin does he ever have to say the pledge of Allegience in school which he replied no.
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    The Pledge of Allegance has been taken out of a lot of schools, prayer is not allowed in a lot of schools, the song America the Beautiful is not sung anymore either.. God Bless America!
     
    There are actually campaigns to remove God from the money too.
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    Thanks fuzzy dogs...puts it into perspective. Things can change and adapt and people put things in and other people take them out...add subtract alter restore, etc. Kind of ebb and flow that this country has always had IMO.
     
    Personally I think the whole idea of swearing fealty to anything, on a daily basis is archaic, unnecessary, and demeaning. If anything I'd have my kid do a daily speech about obeying laws and ME and not sassing so much lmao. Oh and throw in not bringing guns to school...doing drugs, or having sex before their old enough to understand "what it all means"...lol! That I'd get behind 100%
     
    Maybe let's have a 'Pledge of Good Behavior" instead, might be more productive.
     
     
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    I think it's stupid of them trying to get rid of god in all things and yet they are not trying to do anything about early pregencies in teenagers. Just this week there was something about 11 or 12 yr. old going to have a child and she the girl says she can't wait to be a mom. What kid at that age wants to be a mom at that age??
     
    I'm sorry to say it, but America is to worried about stupid things. Each year there is some jerk wants to get rid of certain hoildays, change a state's flag, then  removing god from things, trying to get rid of saying Merry Christmas and happy hoildays, trying to chagne the names of christmas trees, and what is next to come??
     
     
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    I don't want to get into an argument but it's not the Pledge of Allegiance or prayers in school that teach right from wrong.  It's the people TEACHING the right from wrong that teach it.  People can't rely on schools to teach right from wrong because teachers don't have power any more.  It's the parents of these orange and purple haired kids with pierced tongues, that allow the behavior.  It's the parents that allow their 12 year old to be in a situation where she could get pregnant.  I wasn't allowed to date or be out with boys until I was 15.  Not only that but my parents instilled a good education mantra in me and my sisters and brother.  I WANTED to go to college and get an education and get a good job so I could afford to do what I wanted.  Having a child, to me, meant that my education would be put on hold.  Not only that but having a kid meant no soccer or track or parties. 

    Yes people take it to extremes.  If the "no God" people want the "God" people to be tolerant of their wishes/beliefs(or lack of) then they need to do the same!

    Edited: And the whole "Holiday tree" thing just pisses me off.  It started as a Christmas tradition, leave it where it began!  Is anyone wanting to change the Menorah to the Holiday candles?
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    I went to catholic school all my life and there is no difference in the catholic school or the public school in the way kids behave. The only difference between us is we wear a uniform. Just because I had to take religion and say morning prayers didn't mean religion played a big role in my life. I would have been the same person if I went to public school.
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    I graduated about 2 years ago, and at least then, the pledge of allegiance was still said in the school.  However, having worked in the school this year, I haven't heard the pledge, although I have only worked one morning thus far, and not in a regular class, so I can't really use that to determine whether or not it still is said here.
    Anyway, when I was in school, a friend and I did not say the pledge.  At first we sat, because it was our right to do so. We didn't do anything rude, just sat.We were also willing to discuss our opinion, in a rational way, with anyone who wanted to ask questions about it. Instead we were harassed, had things thrown at us, etc, and the teacher allowed this to happen. He didn't tell the other people to stop, he asked us why we wouldn't at least stand. While we spoke at a normal tone about why we chose what we did, the rest of the class shouted back at us. So, in order to end the harassment, we decided we would just stand.
    Now, even though I don't want to say the pledge, I can respect the rights of others to say it, so long as they can respect my right not to.
    • Gold Top Dog
    They still say the Pledge at my sons school. They begin the day by saying it. As far as prayer goes, no one is stopping anyone from having a private moment alone with the Lord. I would have a huge problem if they made students say prayers in a public school. Which God would you pray to? Say they pray to the Christian God but how would Muslims, Buddhists etc feel or vice versa? I'm a Catholic but I refuse to push my beliefs onto someone else and I wouldn't want anyone else to do the same to me.
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    I have to say that DS #1 (who is now 35) was one of those "orange/purple haired kids with strange piercings" and I opted not to make an issue of it because I think you have to pick your battles ... and there are waaaay more important issues for parents to deal with than hair color/style fads. He had one friend who looked so awful that when he came to the door I felt torn between splashing water on him to see if he'd melt and holding up a crucifix to see if he'd ignite.[:D] They all grew up to be fairly normal people.

    Joyce & Max
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    Fuzzy_dogs_mom, lol...  I got a tattoo when I turned 18 and my mom and dad didn't find out until I was 23!  My mom said, "I disown you." and looked away.  lol..  She still owns me though!  ;)
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    I wholeheartedly agree Joyce.  My oldest son, 28, is still a long haired hippie freak.  And I'd honestly not be pleased if he cut his hair!  He's a musician, with a day job.  When he was growing up we went through the skin tight jeans, the "church going" jeans (full of holes) the pierced ear....and I too, chose to pick my battles.  I so clearly remember MY parents fussing about the clothing I wore.....but NOT fussing about what was going on INSIDE.  With MY kids, I decided to stress about the important stuff, and let the outside go with the flow.  I DID request apparal that wouldn't make me want to hide under the table when we all went someplace together tho.  He respected that and it was NEVER an issue, likely because I respected his right to look like a freak the rest of the time.