Another Town Passes Vicious Dog Ordinance

Jaye,
 It doesn't matter the size, if owned by an irresponsible owner ANY dog can bite and maul..even the little ones just like my 22lb demon I posted above...she'll bite you in a heartbeat if i am not right on top of her..ask Pukah, another member here who met her last year at a dog show in Edison...she calls her Cujo...and means it!
NONE of my Am Staffs would ever even dream of acting like her, why? Because they know it is not permitted and their temperaments are solid as a rock as the breed SHOULD be. It is irresponsible owners who take the breeds dedication and eagerness to please that make these dogs into something that was never meant to be and that is a dog that will bite a human...do some research, the American Pit Bull Terrier/American Staffordshire Terrier should NEVER attack a human unprovoked..irresponsible owners are washing this breed right down the hopper.
 Thank Goodness for the responsible lovers of the breed who will stand up for their dogs just as their loyal dogs stand up for them.
 

amstaffy, i never said small dogs dont bite, im not arguing that at all.  but they dont KILL and DISFIGURE people when they do because people can defend themselves and against small dogs.  they dont have the crushing jaws that the dangerous breeds do.  they dont have the mass and the power.

Well I hope that we can change your mind here..they really are good dogs when owned by responsible people.
 
My kids have grown up around the breed since 1991 they both have all their digits and no scars. They do a lot of work with our dogs and both have shown in Junior showmanship where they have to be in the ring with children with other breeds of dogs...there have NEVER been any issues when they are in the ring or outside waiting to go in the ring with sometimes 20-45 kids and dogs waiting their turn all in a very small area sometimes
 

Sorry this is in no way relevant but you got a good looking set of Am Staffs they are absolutley beautiful, look like they wouldnt harm a fly. [] 

"when small dogs bite they dont kill people or tear half their face off."

Oh, yes, this was just some over-friendly licking, that's what it was [][linkhttp://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/09/pomeranian.kills.ap/]http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/09/pomeranian.kills.ap/[/link]
 
Of course the article tries to defend the dog because it's not a "dangerous" breed.....*sigh*

Michigan also has a dangerous dog law that is not breed specific.  I don't care if I get bit by a cocker spaniel or a german shepherd, it's still gonna hurt.
 
My oldest son was bitten by our beagle terrier mix.  My husband got his hand in the middle of a fight between the cockers.  Both needed to go to the emergency room.  I got between Little Momma and one of my older foster girls.....the little gal just wanted to get under mommies desk and Little Momma didn't want her in the room...she was protecting her new babies, I was protecting MY baby and my leg got in the way.....ouch, but didn't need the ER.
 
In my experience the smaller the dog the more agressive it can be...kind of like the short man syndrome.....they are more bluff and bluster and because they tend to be more fearful, more quick to use their teeth.  The larger dogs KNOW that they can scare people away just by looking like BIG dogs and are more likely to keep their teeth in their mouths where they belong.  It's when people persist that there are usually problems.  If you INSIST on reaching for my reactive female after she and I have both told you NO, don't be surprised if she air snaps to scare the tar out of you and get you to back away.  She has actually bitten ONE time....and that was in defense of me when a nasty drunk kept coming after we BOTH warned him off, stumbled and fell into me almost knocking me to the ground.  And, I'm sorry, but I don't call that a real bite.  She bruised him good, and made one tiny little puncture, but she could have taken his leg clean off if she'd chosen to.  Had it been one of my cockers THEY wouldn't have stopped so quickly...well bred or not, they would have seen that as an attack on Mom and inflicted multiple bites.
 
I truely would rather have ONE bite than many.  And with few exceptions that the media turns into vicious mallings, a bigger dog will inflict ONE bite.

What others said is good, so I will not repeat it.

Do you consider labs a "dangorous breed?" They are the number one biter in our county--I guess we should ban them. Actually, the woman in France who had a face transplant was mauled by a lab. If it has teeth it bites.

In addition, as a parent, I would think that you would know that one of the MOST dangorous animal to the human child is not the pit, rot, or dob, but fellow human beings. Dog bites cause a very small fraction of childhood deaths. Human cause a very very high percentage. Are you on any anti-child abuse message boards? Are you lobbying your local governement for tougher sex offender laws? Do you know where the sex offenders are in your community? Doing any one of these things will offer children much greater protection than the support of misguided laws that do NOT punish the BAD owners (they don't care anyway, that is why they are BAD owners), but the GOOD owners who properly care for and are responsbile about their dogs.

good article nikki.  proved me wrong.  but still, it isnt the norm, and i think thats what the article was saying at the end.  they werent defending the dog, they were just pointing out that its very rare for that breed to act like that.  its not so rare for pit bulls and other dogs to act like that. 

sillysally, please dont turn this into something personal.  we all have our own opinions, i respect yours, please respect mine.  of course i realize people harm children.  i keep my kids away from strange people the same as i keep them away from strange dogs.  no im not on any anti child abuse forums.  im not on any anti dog forums either.  im on this forum because i plan on getting a dog and im gathering information before i do so. i didnt start this thread but i find it interesting.   im not lobbying for tougher sex offender laws but i am in favor of them, im not lobbying for bans on dangerous dog breeds either but i am in favor of them, im simply stating my opinion in a forum like the rest of you.  please dont turn this into personal attacks.  and lets stick to the subject at hand.   yes labs are a dangerous breed, there have been multiple maulings by labs in my area just in the past month.

The ONLY dog that has ever bitten me was a cockapoo. Any other dogs who have snapped at me have been SMALL dogs. Especially mini-dachshunds. A toddler could be seriously hurt by a small dog.

NO large dogs have ever even snapped at me, and I have been around rottweilers, dobermans, german shepherds, labs, and lots and lots of other dogs. Sled dogs galore! (Who are not the most socialized dogs in the world for the most part.) I lived next door to people who had fighting pit bulls when I lived in New Mexico. It was frightening.

My experience is probably more typical than you know, Jaye. Sure, big dogs bite people, too. But from what I see, and from what the folks who work in the vet clinics here say (and I have talked to two) that it's the small dogs who bite far more often.

I just can't wait to see a dachshund being muzzled and the owner having to put up a million-dollar bond for it. [] Heh, you think that's going to happen? Actually, I was joking, but Jaime, what do you think?

its not so rare for pit bulls and other dogs to act like that

 
But it IS rare for Pit Bulls to attack people...these dogs have never been bred in the past to be human aggressive. More recently because of poor socilazation and irresponsible dog owners we are hearing more an more of people getting bit because it is headlines...headlines sell papers you think anyone would rush to put my wonderful family dogs on the front page because one played with a pack of frenchies?
 

how can you say its rare when it happens so often?

Who is attacking? I'm simply stating a fact. If anything, by beleiving that pit should be banned it is YOU that are being personal. You are attacking MY dog, an animal who you have never met nor even laid eyes on. You are condenming an entire breed after addmitting that you have very little experience with dogs.

Yes, pit attacks are rare. Less than 1% of the poplualtion has been invovled in a fatl attack. Do you think it is a good idea to ban a breed due to the actions of less than 1 % over a number of years?

So, DO you think labs should be banned?

i dont only consider attacks that are fatal, any attack that seriously injures anyone should be counted, i'll bet its a lot higher than 1 percent.  you were being personal by asking me specifically if im on child abuse forums, bringing up my kids, etc.  i have never mentioned your dog in particular, so i have not made this personal.  and since you dont get it, ill just make you happy and stop posting on this thread before you turn it into something ugly.

It's about the parenting. You have dogs that have been raised by a-holes and they bite, and you have people that have been raised by a-holes and they murder/rape people. Is there the exception to each one? Yep.

In my 34 years around dogs, I have been bitten three times. All by weimaraners. Their owners excuse? You moved too fast around them, they are hunting dogs. I was 8 years old. Therefore, I demand that all weimaraners be banned. That's insane for me to think that will work. The owner of those dogs was irresponsible and that is that. If that happened today, my parents could have afforded to pay for college.

My GSD has bared her teeth to one dog in her 10 years on this planet. That dog was a miniture poodle that attacked her when she was 13 weeks old. One year later, she bared her teeth when that same poodle tried the same bullshiat. This time, it wasn't my dog trying to climb my leg to get away. It was the poodle trying to get away from my little girl that wanted to chew it's rotten head off. The funny thing is that the owner of the poodle didn't find this incident quite as funny as the one before. Since then, she has played catch with whatever breed you wanted to throw at her and she's fine.

It's all about the owner. The only dog in the complex I live in that is a PITA is a little mix breed that has never been socialized and the owner admits it.

Sorry for the rant.

ORIGINAL: jaye

i dont only consider attacks that are fatal, any attack that seriously injures anyone should be counted, i'll bet its a lot higher than 1 percent. you were being personal by asking me specifically if im on child abuse forums, bringing up my kids, etc. i have never mentioned your dog in particular, so i have not made this personal. and since you dont get it, ill just make you happy and stop posting on this thread before you turn it into something ugly.

If that's the case then you WOULD be for the banning of labs, since in many places labs are invovled in many, many more biting incidents than pits.

Sorry, but when you say that pits should be banned you don't HAVE to bring up my dog by name, she is part pit and would be victim of such a ban. Therefore, it is very personal to me.