Truley
Posted : 11/1/2008 2:37:16 PM
"For example, the McCain campaign may have misspoke about the PLO ties. And I can even stipulate that, pending further evidence. "
So, it's OK for them to misspeak? It's OK for them to imply? Why is it OK for the McCain camp to do this? They have in my eyes, implied that Barrack Obama is a Muslim, a terrorist, a socialist and anti American. With no proof Ron, none, just implication, nothing concrete, but that's OK? Because you support that camp, so therefore you allow them their mistakes. Because that is what you want.
But I do expect plenty of apologetics for this misstatement and the point may get further lost in the ensuing endless justification for Obama's actions. In fact, I expect none of the democrats here to have a problem with his campaign making this misstatement, that plenty will speak of what they think McCain has said wrong, as if two wrongs make a right. For example, the McCain campaign may have misspoke about the PLO ties. And I can even stipulate that, pending further evidence. But I doubt anyone will stipulate the Obama Campaign did wrong. That would be sacrilege.
You have endlessly justified everything that McCain/Palin has said. You have no problem with the things the McCain camp says, yet want to call the ones here supporting Obama on the carpet? Your right, 2 wrongs do not make a right. If it is wrong it is wrong. But do me at least the courtesy of calling your own camp out first.
And what I wrote in my last post was this:
"For example, the McCain campaign may have misspoke about the PLO ties. And I can even stipulate that, pending further evidence. "
Big, bad Ron conceding that the McCain campaign has misspoke. Or at least it appears they have. I was trying to be fair.
Again....May have misspoke? You not agreeing, because your still seeking evidence. The fact that the information is over 6 months old doesn't sway you? How about if it had been such a hot bed of an issue we might have Hilary in the running instead of Barack, because I don't believe that she would have let that alone if it was a big enough issue to turn people. Or any of the other candidates for that matter.
I even think it's a well-turned bon mot to call McCain McSame or even McShame. But I have also noticed that anything said against Obama, even in jest or in any degree of truthfulness, is not okay, evidently.
I have never agreed with calling anyone names.
And once this election is over, we will probably subside our political debates somewhat. So, please do remember, when we are in other threads talking about something different and I seem like a nice guy then, I'm the same guy as I am, right now. All that would be different is that we'd be in agreement on something else. Your judgment of me is just that, a personal opinion and that I am somehow less of an honorable person because of my opinion. Don't worry, I am going to Hades and it's not based on my political opinions nor on my opinion of the Obama campaign in the topic of this thread. I am going to Hades regardless of the good things I have done because of the rules of the game. I have made drastic mistakes. My feet are made of flesh. I put socks on one at a time. But I will not accept the sacrifice of an innocent. So, I sit in judgment of myself more harshly than most could judge me. So, be it, I better stock up on sunscreen.
No one doubts your honor. No one thinks less of you, or I sure don't. But you have and I say have, come dangerously close to putting labels on those that support Obama, you have come dangerously close to calling us socialists, terrorist supporters and anti American. Not in so many words but by implication. Several times. I think the fact that no one has come right out and said it speaks volumes for the respect some here have for each other, including you.
None of us are without faults, we have all made mistakes.
Now, here is the original article from Heritage foundation:
http://www.nysun.com/national/obama-aides-say-he-would-lower-taxes/83970/
This is what the reporter had to say, and we all know things are said one way can and are misconstrued to mean something else. In fact if you read, and I mean read without the critical eye, the wikipedia write up on Bill Ayers, he too says words he said were miscontrued...The big one being "we didn't do enough".
And that write up also has a fact in it that Mr. Elrod received a letter of apology from him, with Mr. Elrod felt was very sincere. Yet you refuse to believe that this man can feel remorse or is sorry for some of the things he did. He was not the only person who turned against the country when the Vietnam war was an issue. Yet, because Barack Obama has talked with this man (or what ever else) he is a supporter of terrorism in your eyes. What about all the other people? The ones who deserted? Kent State Killings? The fact is the Vietnam War era was a one of high explosive tension, some acted other's didn't. Can you forgive any of them?
You tout out time after time military service, service to our country, saluting the flag, friends of your that served, and that is fine. But what about the rest of us, the ones that don't serve? Do you see us as less American? I sure hope not, but it sure is implied.
For the record. I have not served. My BIL has served twice in Iraq, 2 uncles in Vietnam, 1 of which died, a grandfather in WW2, my great great grandfather fought in the Mexican-American War. If I dig far enough I can come up with relatives that fought in the Civil War and the American Revolution. They fought for us, for what I believe was the hope that we would not have to fight. Not every American is about war. I am sick and tired of war. We do not have to be all big and bad all the time. Our values are ours and ours alone, and I am for protecting those rights, but I am tired of those that think we need to instill OUR values on OTHERS. It's wrong, just plain wrong. And that is why we are hated.
You support McCain all you want, that is your right. But give the same respect to those that support Obama.
ETA: my fingers are faster than my brain some days.