ARE OUR DOGS TEST SUBJECTS?

    • Gold Top Dog

    ARE OUR DOGS TEST SUBJECTS?

    WHILE RESEARCHING TE REITRODUCTIN OF PROHEART6 I fOUND THID ON A DOG HEALTH SITE.   this lady has a health site of her own she lost her lab to rimadyl a few years ago and while she never tells folks to not yse any  certain drug, she does want people to know all the possible side effects and for them to go into any new drug well informed and with eyes wide open.  by the way, many of us who lost or almost lost a dog/dogs the first time proheart6 was out felt way back then our dogs had been used as test animals---the maker wanted every bit of history from vevery dog that had reaction/died. 

     I received an e-mail recently regarding the subject matter. - the e-mail is purportedly from a veterinarian. This is for your information - just in case you would ever even consider giving this drug to your beloved companion animal! - Jean Townsend

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    I recently attended a veterinary continuing education seminar at which the lunch (captive/paid for by manufacturer) presentation was on Proheart 6. The company rep told the gathering of veterinarians the following regarding the recent reintroduction of the product to the market after its earlier suspension:

    Regarding the new administration guidelines for not giving Proheart 6 within one month of vaccinations and performing very minimal blood work prior to giving injection: "this is not about safety; it is about building a pristine data base for the FDA (that they can use to further evaluate safety/side effects of the product)."

    Bloodwork should be performed but you do not need test results in hand prior to giving the Proheart 6 injection because "it does not have to do with safety for the animal but with data building."

    Regarding age limitations of only administering to dogs over 6 months to under 7 years: these are only for the 1st injection of Proheart 6; if the dog has no adverse effects from 1st injection you can then give outside of these age limits.

    Proheart 6 removes issues of Pet Med Express taking away veterinarians’ income for heartworm preventatives. It bypasses issues of owner noncompliance with giving pills as directed. It addresses our sour economy, and puts you in the driver’s seat.

    When the question was raised if a dog is presented for needed vaccinations and Proheart 6 injection at the same time, 'what should the veterinarian do?', the reply was: "in order to develop the greatest degree of confidence in the data, hold off on giving vaccine(s), give the Proheart 6 injection and have owners come back one or more months later for the vaccine(s)".

    It was repeatedly pointed out that Proheart 6, "still allowed in other countries and the #1 heartworm preventative in some of them, is the same product produced in the same place in the US."

    "It’s all about confidence," the manufacturer's rep said, "clients will do what we tell them to do."

    The deadliness of heartworms was stressed, which is true. But NOT ONE WORD was ever mentioned regarding death as a potential side effect, and when one veterinarian unfamiliar with issues surrounding the product asked what type of side effects had been seen, the response was "some inappetance, vomiting/diarrhea, elevated liver enzymes, that type of thing."

    If anyone fails to see in the above the fact that a product that has killed dogs, has been reintroduced to the national market at the potential expense of the lives of BELOVED FAMILY CANINE COMPANIONS not for their own safety but in order to "build a data base," well….that’s exactly what has been done.

    • Gold Top Dog

    So the lunch was given by Fort Dodge?  Ugh.  Yup, sounds like them.

    There's a new generation of parasite control on the horizon coming.  I'm hoping it arrives soon.  It's available in livestock as external parasite control and is just a year or so away from being approved for internal parasites.  From there, as usual, it should move to pets fairly soon.  I have fears of ivermectin and Interceptor becoming ineffective soon.

    I've asked that NO FORT DODGE be written on all my pet's charts and explained why.  I also have stopped using one of the only products currently effective on stomach worms in livestock in this area, Cydectin, because it's also made by Fort Dodge.  I will not take that risk, even on a sheep.  We EAT those sheep.  Instead, I've gone to a very work intensive, but more natural method of control, and it looks like I'll be able to continue it at the new place (thank you God!).

    And guess what?  Because I went to that method, I've had people knocking down my door wanting sheep for their freezer - I've found a niche for low-chemical input meat here that I never would have thought was sustainable, until I ditched Fort Dodge.  Mysterious ways, huh?

    I only offer this as information, but it is rightful distrust of these pharmaceutical companies that makes us seek alternative treatments for things like heartworm.  The advantage of alternative treatments is that it puts the safety of our pets (and livestock) directly in our own hands.  Of course, the disavantage to weigh is the lack of scientific data behind most of these alternatives, and also the lack of support if something goes wrong, many times.  An excellent compromise is a holistic DVM.

    Thank you for your continued information, Sandra. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    MY VET DOES NOT EVEN SAY THE NAME FORT DODGE TO ME....CALLS IT THE COMPANY I DO NOT LIKE.

    I CAN NOT BELIEVE HOW STPID I WAS 5 YEARS AGO.  I NOTIFIED FORT DODGE THAT PROHEART6 HAD KILLED MY HUNTER---AIHA ND LIVER AMAGE, BTHALREADY KNOWN TO E REACIONS OF THE WORST KID.    SHORT TIME LATER MY VET CALLED ME.  HE HAD GOTTEN A LETTER FROM FORT DODGE ASKING FOR HUNTER'S ENTIRE MEDICAL RECORD, NOT JUST FOR THE AIHAS AND LIVER DAMAGE, BUT CLEAR BACK TO WHEN WE GOT HIM AT 8 WEEKS OLD. NAIVE ME, I WAS SURE THEY WOULD SEE IT WAS THE PH6 THAT KILLED HIM.  HE HAD NEVER BEEN SICK A DAY IN HIS LIFE, NOT EVEN THE DREADED GOLDEN RETRIEVER EAR INFECTION.  RICKEY WOULD NOT SEND THEM WITHOUT MY OKAY, SO I SAID SURE.

    AS TIME WENT ON AND I WAS IN CONTACT WITH MORE AND MORE WHO LOST OR ALMOST LOST THEIR DOG/DOGS I BECAMED CONVINCED AS SO MANY OF THEM WERE THAT WHILE FORT DODGE WAS DENYING IT WAS THEIR PRODUCT THAT KILLED OUR DOGS THEY WERE TRYING TO THINGS IN MEDICAL HISTORIES  THAT COULDS CAUSE CERTAIN DOGS TO HAVE REACTIONS--LIKE IF A HIGH NUMBER OF THEDOGS HAD HAD ENVIRONMENTAL ALLERGIES,  OR WERE ON CERTAIN MEDS, ETC.  AND SEEING HOW THEY ARE WARNING AGAINSAT GIVING IT WITHIN A MONTH OF VACCINES, THAT WAS PROBABLY PART OF THE PUZZLE.  THEY ARE ALSO SAYING TO BE CAREFUL GIVING IT TO DOGS WITH ALLERGIES, EVEN FOOD ALLERGIES.  YES SIR-EEEEETHEY LEARNED FROM OUR DOGS DEATHS.

    • Gold Top Dog

     Yeah, I'm sorry.  I learned many years ago not to disclose medical histories in toto.  That's called "fishing" when someone goes looking for information in that way.  As a semi-public person I have to be on guard against it.  There's nothing I really mind disclosing to people - I freely share my dog's information among vets and the like - and heaven knows I'm open about my dogs' care publicly!  But it's easy to use almost anything out of context to be twisted against you.

    "The company you don't like. . . ." that's an understatement!  Stick out tongue 

    • Gold Top Dog

    this isn't really anything new- FDA standards are alarmingly lax. For both human and animal meds they require very limited evidence of safety, and even more limited evidence of efficacy. Then they require the manufacturer to do "post marketing study" which means collecting data on people and dogs dropping dead or getting seriously ill after taking the drug.

    • Gold Top Dog

     I view new medications the same way I do new car models.  It takes a few years to get the "bugs" out.  So, when my vet offered me Proheart 6 when it first came out, I declined it, and thank goodness I did.  Reading about Sandra's poor Hunter, and all the other dogs, makes me wonder at how a company could even think of re-introducing such a product to more unsuspecting owners.  Vets need to be extremely careful to keep up with information about adverse reactions, not just to this crap, but to any veterinary pharmaceutical.  People listen to their vets.  They don't realize that, in many cases, they are just listening to some salesman...

    The comments that person from Fort Dodge made are akin to the statements we can all envision the mortgage salespeople making - and look where that got us.  I will now be retiring at age 120.