Poop already!

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    Poop already!

     who else has this problem?

    you KNOW your dog has to "go"..... they're barely keeping it in..... but they REFUSE to let go until they find "the spot" and if they dont find the spot.... they just hang on to it and want to go back inside?

    i now have two dogs doing this... Mattie and Amber....  Amber i already knew was like that (didnt used to be) she will only poop if you turn her loose in the yard, but i cant do that anymore because she's discovered she can fit between the holes in the fence wire and she runs away and is gone for hours..... before she discovered an escape route i could turn her outside and she'd poop right away. Now? it takes her FOUR DAYS to finally poop! she is holding on to it that hard and ONLY if she's on a leash!  I've put her on a tie out a few times and she'll go... just not while i'm standing next to her.

    Just this morning while walking Amber she HAD to go reeeeeeeeeeealllly bad. and she was getting in the position to go.... but then a bunny popped out and ran across the field. Well that ruined the moment! 

     

    Mattie is doing the same thing now. she'll hold on to it because she's too excited and once we're back to the house she'll go in the crate or behind the furniture Super Angry For four days i thought she was constipated.... no. just.... nervous? excited?

     

    how do i fix this??? i dont have time trot around the yard with two prude dogs who want to take four days to take a dump..

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     Geez, that's a pain!  I've read but never tried that a matchstick stuck you know where will make them go.  Don't know the proper technique, maybe someone will come along who's more knowledgeable.  Other than training a word, I don't have anything else for ya, but sympathy!

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    Just think what it would look like if we humans did the same actions our dogs did when WE have to use the facilities...........

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    BCMixs

      I've read but never tried that a matchstick stuck you know where will make them go. 

    I've read about the matchstick too... but just be sure its NOT lit. Yeah, I've read about someone trying that...

    Have you tried getting a longer leash so they can get a little more aways from you to do their thing?

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    A little more info on the matchstick trick.

    http://www.carelittle.com/dog-general-chat/g-2944.html

    Cardboard match, no sulfur end, no lighting it! LOL! 

    Indie is sort of like that, he will hold his pee forever and not leave the deck, but doesn't go inside.  I block the end of the stairs and don't let him go inside until he goes because he'll wake me up halfway through the night to go.  After about 2 weeks of standing at the bottom of the stairs saying "Go potty" over and over and then immediately praising him and letting him back inside as soon as he goes has him trained to go right away pretty well.  

    You may just have to outwait them, which is a pain.  Could you use a tieout? 

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     first off, that website was too funny lol "telling the poo in the house that its BAD then move it outside and praise the poo! " - that had me in stitches!

    forget the neighbour's thinking i'm strange, my husband would probably have me locked up for a time if i started talking to poop!  Tongue Tied

    I have a tie out for Amber - thats the only other way she will go - but its one of those steel cables with the plastic coating and she has CHEWED three of them and escaped each time... and it wasnt because i forgot her either. she will chew the leash in half if she thinks you arent looking. like the one time i was outside with her, my mom, grandmother and two sons. i handed the leash to my grandmother so i could show my kids our rabbits....(granny may not respond to people, but she WILL respond to animals) come to find out on this one occasion i was wrong. mom and granny were both watching me and the boys.. but from inside the rabbit pen i saw Amber steadily gnawing at my EXPENSIVE double leader - you know the ones that let you walk two dogs at once, or adjust the length?- i was jumping up and down inside the rabbit pen yelling at Amber to DROP IT! ....she didnt. that ended the fun time with bunnies. so yeah.... Amber only goes on the tie out when i am going to be outside for any length of time AND in that area.

    I'm worried about putting Mattie on a tie out as well, not for the same reasons. she's so tiny i'm scared a hawk will fly away with her!

    I like the idea of a longer leash for Mattie.... maybe one of those 15 foot training leads... the silly dog wont poop in one spot either. no she walks and poops.. also walks and pees at the same time.... and they both hike their legs lol

    Another strange thing.... I dont have a crate for Amber (Mattie came with her own crate) so what i've been doing lately as a way to get my message through to Amber is put her in the kitchen if she doesnt go #2 outside. she will NOT poop on a smooth surface. i used to think "ok you didnt go this time, lets go back inside and we'll try again later"... NO. as soon as my back would be turned, or if i stepped out of the room for a second she would crap in my dining room... then go crap behind the sofa and then she would HIDE! So.. the kitchen it is. she can still the family, and interact if we're in there, but she is not allowed my poor carpet anymore until we get this sorted Hmm

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    I think Indie and Amber were separated at birth!  Good luck! 

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     Hey DumDog!

    I have the answer, but not sure you are gonna like it!  :)   Some dogs have the need for speed.  They need to relieve themselves while on the move, basically.  I've got one of those here right now, Gus - Ben was another like that.  

    I get many dogs here who were "backyard dogs" and relieved themselves on their own schedule.  Others came from nice homes and are used to getting good long walks on which they had multiple opportunities to go for it.  Their bodies get used to expecting that bit of exercise first.

    The good news is that you can train them to go on your terms. I'm having Patrick re-train Gus right now for me, because Patrick's schedule is changing and he can't do the first-thing-in-the-morning chores every day now.  At the moment, Gus expects that he'll go do chores and sometime during that, he'll completely relieve himself.  It's what he used to do during hard training and also when he worked the sheep ranch in CO.

    I've asked Patrick to walk Gus directly out to where he normally poops - a place about halfway through the chore routine, and give him his cue words.   Then he's to briskly walk him back to the house and crate him, take all the rest of the dogs out to go potty, then get Gus again, and take him where he normally goes potty, and repeat the magic words, until he goes.

    Gus isn't trying to be stubborn or anything, he's just used to this routine, so he usually obliges at that point.  Then Patrick is to take him to do chores.  No chores until he poops.

    At night I'm going to take him out and do the same, and then work him a little, so he gets the idea that if he poops on command, he'll get to work. 

    I had to do the same to train Ben to go on command.  Ted too - he wouldn't go, as a pup, until I wouldn't let him do anything at all - I mean anything, until he went poopies - and Ted has to go twice before he's done. 

    It was the opposite before, see?  They got what they wanted, then they had their sweet time to go potty.  All these dogs are perfectly capable of holding it indefinitely because they are working bred - Lynn would pop before she could hold it more than a couple days, and Zhi ditto.

    In your case, trying to apply this in the backyard, I'd leash my dog and go for "walkies" in the yard, nice and boring, while saying the cue words periodically.  Then crate.

    When he or she has done all his business, say, "Are you all done?  Good dog!"  And let the dog off - and don't just leave right away - work in a quick training or playtime session.

    Eventually the dog will get bored of his/her whole world being leash walk and crate, particularly if this is a clever, high-energy dog as you say.  The first time you get what you want and let them off,  and then give them a nice intense playtime, the dog will go, hmmmm.  The next time may be the first time you see the dog speed things up to get to playtime quicker. 

    After that, give the dog a playtime every time after he or she goes potty, for about two weeks, then only every now and then to keep the dog's mind working that way.  If you go back to the old pattern, the dog will eventually go back to his or her old pattern, because it's not a disobedient thing, but rather a response to what you are reinforcing - you let the dog stay out and give the dog attention while it's not pooping.

    A message to Lurkerland:  please do not ever stick anything up your dogs' anal opening that's not made to go there (ie, a thermometer) without the advice of your vet.  You can cause serious damage to some delicate glands that are right there, not to mention the lower gi.  *shudders*

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     thanks Brook :) i'll have to do try that. i didnt think of it that way really. Amber USED to be a farm dog when i was in high school, so she might be able to get back into the routine you mentioned above.

    i never once thought about this until recently..... i mean when i lived in the city i was used to opening the door and the dogs bolting outside and taking care of business and then letting them run around a bit, or coming back in if thats what they felt like. before that, working on a horse ranch, i would let them out as i was leaving to feed horses and they would handle things on their own.

    i have no idea what Ambers schedule was with the other family for the last three years. i have a sneaky suspicioun she was an outdoor dog and just did it her way. they say she was indoors... but if she was then she was probably excluded from everyone because of the problem with their other dog. 

    the other thing on my list of things to correct is getting her to come back when i call her..... is that even possible with a jack russell?? lol

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    the other thing on my list of things to correct is getting her to come back when i call her..... is that even possible with a jack russell?? lol

    Really Reliable Recall - it works!!  Jacks run in flyball and agility and do well so yeah, I'd say it can happen to you too.  From what I've seen they are no more unreliable than many high drive dogs once they are trained - it's just getting them there that can take a lot of patience. 

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    I don't have problems getting my dogs to go however....Maxine WILL NOT go on a leash. Not sure how she learned that, but I must let her off leash to do her duties. Usually if we have been for a walk (sort of brookcove 'need for speed';) and I let her off leash she goes right away. Motion does stimulate her. 

    Years ago I lived in an apartment, and I could not just let my dogs out the door into their own yard. I would walk them to the dog walking area, and let them off leash so they could sniff and go. In the winter I would get cold watching them look around and would say "hurry up!". Before winter was over I noticed every time I said "hurry up!" they went. It became the potty command. So you can teach a command. 

    I have started sort of having problems with Max, she won't leave our porch. We often have to walk her now. I think being blindsided by Teddi while in action as discouraged her. It doesn't help if I put her out alone. Either way she stares in the door on the porch. 

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     Totally possible to have them come back when called. Emma comes every single time. She doesn't ever wear a leash, because she's so reliable. The other day, she shot off after a squirrell before work. One word had her flying back to me. I love it!

     

    All I did was be consistent, and only call her when I had treats (food motivated dog, she is!). I didn't EVER call her if I thought she wouldn't come, and I couldn't get to her. I'm working on the same thing with the baby, right now. Lots of "here" and cookies.

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    DumDog
    the other thing on my list of things to correct is getting her to come back when i call her..... is that even possible with a jack russell?? lol

    Twister, my JRT, has a good recall.  He has been rewarded his entire life with a treat EVERY time he came when called.  And I always followed the standard advice to not call him to me and end the fun walk or whatever. 

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     aaaarrrrrggghhhhhh - hearing about these JRTs that come when called is depressing.... i wish Amber was so easy... or better yet.... i wish i'd had this forum when Amber was a puppy seven years ago Crying how do you teach a good recall when you havent got a proper fence? Amber's no dummy. she knows when she is leashed and she knows when she's not fenced. any time she see's Demon Dog and she knows she can escape.. she will and those two will be gone for HOURS.

     

    Good news though is Amber is down to waiting two days before pooping lol and instead of just letting her walk all over the place sniffing the bunny trails we go straight to one area - but its some distance away - i know thats a standard rule of thumb for house training.. picking one spot. but i guess i thought the perimeter of our land would be views as the same. Apparently not. too many enticing smells and distractions. Now its Down the driveway-past the mail boxes - beside the old fig tree - and back home again. And i'm making her hang around a few minutes even after she goes because she isnt always finished..... Same for Mattie.

     

    thanks everyone! 

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    We *have* a fence, but it hasn't really had any relationship with our recall training. Now, I never got any recall on Teenie. She was old, and had been abused, and I couldn't figure it out.... She was too busy going after people and dogs and cats and such, and she would NOT come back, regardless of what I tried. I gave up and kept her on a leash. It was the only safe thing to do. She'd slide her Weenie butt right under the fence, given half a chance. It's a nice, tight, chain link fence with a tension wire, but she could do it every time.

     

    With Ems and the baby, I started them on a leash. I called them, and as they moved towards me, I'd back up, calling and praising as I went. Neither of them was a darter before I started, though, so it's probably different with an older dog (where I failed miserably, in the past, LOL.... Teenie's the only dog I've acquired as an adult).