Car fixing question

    • Gold Top Dog

    Yeah, that's the customer complain line. I've called them and they won't give me the regional manager number. They say that I have to go through their "proceedures" first. It's a bunch of BS and it's getting me no place. The guy just keeps saying "Our staff are all technically trained to diagnose problems so maybe you have 2 issues going on". It's a bunch of garbage and I'm beyond angry right now. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    I haven't read through all of the responses, but is dealership #1 still trying to cooperate?  Maybe you should call your contact there, tell the the issues you are having with dealership #2 and see if they will give you the number. 

    Good luck!

    • Gold Top Dog

    Do any of your local TV stations have a consumer advocate person?  For example, here on CBS we have "Call Curtis" ... you can e-mail him or call him with a problem you can't get resolved any other way and he looks into it and almost  always gets it taken care of. A little negative publicity might be all they need.

    Joyce

    • Gold Top Dog

    There are TV stations that investigate stuff like that. I will call them. 

    Dealer #1 wouldn't give me the number I was looking for and now won't call me back because I threatened to make a formal complaint.

    I put an email out to several egroups that I am in looking for some high up GM folks. I have a couple people that responded and are looking in to it for me to see if they can help. I'm so hoping that I can get this straightened out.

     After lunch I went and paid $79 to dealer #2 just to get them to release my car (diagnostic fee) then paid another $79 to tow it to a mechanic that I trust. He is going to test the so called faulty ignition switch and see if it was actually faulty. If it works fine, dealer #1 better watch the heck out. I am flipping pissed.
     

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    • Gold Top Dog

    holy poop Julie I though it was the dealerships that wouldn't give the name of the regional manager. A couple of years back I got into it with the service dept at a Mazda dealership, I wrote a letter to the service manager and cc'd it to the dealership manager and got very good results - including a refund and a free service.

    I hope that the current mechanic can sort things out on your car and that all this mess gets fixed soon.

    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Angry

    I'm furious and it ain't me 

    • Gold Top Dog

    Have you spoken to the General Manager of Dealership 1?  Go above the service manager's head if he is avoiding you now.  It shouldn't be too hard to find out the name of the General Manager.  Most dealerships post it on their websites.  If yours does, then just call and ask to speak to that person by name, and be polite, even though I know it's going to be difficult.  I spoke to my dad about the problems you were having; he's worked in the service departments of several dealerships of different car lines for over 20 years.  He said usually the General Manager has to make the decision to pay another shop to service a car or to reimburse a tow fee, rental car, etc.  He also told me usually regional/district managers only handle complaints when they are in the area and stop by the specific dealership.  Of course, I'm sure this varies by car line.  He also said to be sure and lodge a complaint with the Buick complaint line, and make sure they give you a case number.  If they keep trying to "diagnose" your problem, tell them that is not the purpose of your call; you are calling to lodge a complaint about the service you received at a specific dealership.  The case number should then be passed on to the regional manager, but he/she may not handle it until they are in the area of the dealership.

    So I assume Dealership 2 finally gave you an estimate?  I can't believe they had your car, diagnosed it, and then wouldn't speak to you about how much the repair would be!  That's just nuts, what are they thinking?! 

    I really hope you can finally get this all worked out.  I'm crossing my fingers your new mechanic will help you better than these yahoos have.

    • Gold Top Dog

    OK so, the mechanic called me this morning and I went over there. Guess what they found

    A 10amp fuse blown that goes to the starter.

     

    A FUSE!!!!

    Can you believe that?! The dealers would have had me paying $800 in repairs for a freaking fuse.

    Right now I'm having the mechanic test the so called faulty ignition switch to see if that was bad to begin with.

     

     

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    • Gold Top Dog

    I swear the general workforce just gets worse.

    My brother is a mechanic that left dealership work 5 or so years ago.  he couldn't stand working with idiots (no not all are idiots) all they are trained to do is plug the car into the computer and see what the onboard computer tells them is wrong.  A fuse probably doesn't come up.

    I hope you kick their butts - more importantly I hope your car is fixed!

    for clarity I am not suggesting that all people that work in dealerships are idiots - just that more and more the mechanics aren't really mechanics in the true sense.  They don't figure out the problems they just use the computer and do what it says.  My brother got so frustrating having to repair and/or redo the work of these guys that he left the business. 

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    kpwlee
    My brother is a mechanic that left dealership work 5 or so years ago.  he couldn't stand working with idiots (no not all are idiots) all they are trained to do is plug the car into the computer and see what the onboard computer tells them is wrong.

    I can believe it.  I hear all kinds of crazy stories from my dad and brother about some of the people they have worked with over the years.

    Julie, I'm so glad you are finally getting somewhere.  I hope all that is wrong is the fuse and that they don't find anything else expensive. 

    When I was high school my car broke down on a back road.  I was in luck...it happened right across the street from an independent "mom and pop" type shop.  I walked over and told them what happened, one of the guys came and looked at my car, it was something simple that he fixed in about 5 minutes, and then I told him I would call my dad and have him work out the payment (I was in high school, so I didn't have any money on me).  The guy refused to let my dad pay him.  My dad went over there the next morning and took the guys coffee and donuts as a "thank you," and after that, even though my dad worked for a dealership and could get my car worked on for next to nothing, any time my car needed something, we took it to that small shop, just because they were so unbelievably nice to me.

    • Gold Top Dog

     How's this for a letter?

     

    May 30, 2008

     

    Letter of Complaint to be attached to Automotive Complaint form for

     (removed name and address)

     
    2002 Buick Rendezvous CXL, 48,943 miles

     
    On Monday, May 26th, I was out of town visiting relatives and my car wouldn’t start. I had power to everything (windows, radio, etc.) but the car would not turn over. I tried to jump the vehicle with another car and with a jumper service from AAA but it still would not start.  I had AAA tow it to the local Buick dealership, Lunghamer Buick, and left it over night.

     
    Tuesday, May 27th, Lunghamer Buick called and told me that I had a faulty ignition switch. The cost to replace would be $255.02. I authorized the repairs and picked the car up at 12:54pm that day.

     
    I drove the car home (approximately 65 miles), without problems, to Lansing and parked it in my garage. At approximately 7pm I drove out to get dinner (2 miles). After picking up dinner, however, the car would not start again. I had the same issue as before. I had power to everything (windows, radio, heater, etc.) but the car would not turn over.

     
    I called Lunghamer Buick and they said to tow it to a local dealer here in Lansing, have that dealer call Lunghamer, and they would work out the repairs between them. So, I called AAA and had the car towed to Glenn Buege Buick.

     
    On Wednesday, May 28th, Glenn Buege Buick called me and said that I needed the Body Control Module (BCM) replaced at a cost of $510. They also said that they would not call Lunghamer Buick as it was a problem between Lunghamer and myself. I questioned the reasoning behind the first repair (the ignition switch) and the second repair (BCM) but both dealerships stood by their diagnosis and refused to work out a solution. At this point I did not authorize the replacement of the BCM.

     
    I called Lunghamer Buick and Buege Buick several times throughout Wednesday and Thursday to try to work something out and get my car fixed. I had no luck. I asked for the Regional Managers name and phone number and they refused to give it to me.

     
    I called the GMC Customer Service Center and filed a service request (No. 71631208578). I requested an investigation and reimbursement for the first repair and a discount on the second repair. My claim was denied on the basis of the year and mileage of my vehicle. The service representative said that their mechanics were technically trained to diagnosis and fix problems and they stood by their diagnosis.

     
    On Thursday, I decided to get a second opinion from an independent mechanic to diagnose the problem. I paid Glenn Buege Buick $79 to release my car and Shroyer Towing $79 to tow it to Frankie D’s.

     
    On Friday, May 30, 2008, Frankie D’s called me and told me that their diagnosis was a blown 10 amp fuse. They replaced the fuse and the car started. I also had them test the initial “faulty” ignition switch that Lunghamer replaced to find out if the part was bad. It was not. I paid Frankie D’s $160 for parts and labor.

     
    I believe that Lunghamer Buick performed an unneeded repair and that Buege Buick diagnosed and unneeded repair.

     
    So far my out of pocket expenses are:

     
    $255.02           to Lunghamer Buick

    $  79.00           to Glenn Buege Buick

    $  79.00           to Shroyer Towing

    $160.00           to Frankdie D’s

    $573.02

     

    If the problem would have been diagnosed and fixed correctly the first time, my out of pocket costs would have been approximately $80 for parts and labor.

     
    I believe a fair settlement would be a refund by GMC Buick in the amount of $493.02 ($573.02 - $80.00).

     
    Thank you for considering my automotive complaint. I have attached all documents pertaining to this issue. I also have the initial part which was replaced, if needed.

     

     

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    • Gold Top Dog

    Sounds pretty good, but I have a couple of comments.

    Jewlieee
    $160.00           to Frankdie D’s  

    I assume this is $80.00 for the repair and $80.00 to evaluate the initial “faulty” ignition switch?  If so, you need to mention that.  Also, there is a typo in red.

    Jewlieee
    I believe that Lunghamer Buick performed an unneeded repair and that Buege Buick diagnosed and unneeded repair.

    The above sentence has a typo.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Other than the minor typos that Janet found, I think it's a good letter. I would just add something at the end like "I look forward to hearing from someone regarding this matter within the next few days" and I'd include your phone #. Be sure to "cc" everyone involved too.

    • Gold Top Dog

    janet_rose

    I assume this is $80.00 for the repair and $80.00 to evaluate the initial “faulty” ignition switch?  If so, you need to mention that.  Also, there is a typo in red.

     

    Yes, that's correct. Good point. I will add that info.

    Thanks for both of your input! I didn't see those typos. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    be sure to also keep copies of everything you send to them.  Also, you may want to give them a deadline of when you expect to hear back from them.  Here at the office we usually give 10 days.

    You are very lucky you can send in a complaint like this.  VW you have to go through a person on the phone, cannot write to email anything to them.  very frustrating!