Mushroom warning crosspost

    • Silver

    Mushroom warning crosspost

    ***PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST TO YOUR RESPECTIVE DOG LISTS & BEYOND****

    I'm not sure how I should start this off, but suffice to say that I
    hope that everyone learns from it, and that it NEVER happens to them.

    On Thursday this week, I came home as usual, put the 3 puppies I have
    here (Trace/Hannah/ Smartie) into their puppy pen so I could let the
    big dogs out to do their thing. As usual, after the big dogs were
    done, they all came into the house and I let the puppies out into the
    big yard to play and explore with me as I go around picking up
    poopies and sticks and stones before the lawn got cut. At 5:30pm as
    usual, I tell the puppies that it's supper time, and in I go to make
    up their dinner and they all follow me to the gate. I quickly
    answered (an OK typed) email to a prospective puppy client while the
    dinner is warming up, look out to the side yard, rap on the window
    and tell them to leave it (I thought it was white plastic) and come
    for dinner. This was a space in time of under 10 minutes. I go out
    to the gate, and as usual, Trace is sitting at the top of the stairs
    waiting for me and Smartie comes along staggering and whimpering and
    can't get up the stairs. I'm thinking sh*t, what is going on here,
    grab the 'phone, call my veterinarian, screaming at the gals that it
    was me and I was coming in, that I have a puppy crashing and putting
    Smartie into one kennel and Trace (who's fine by the way) into the
    other. I'm running around looking and calling for Hannah and I can't
    find her and not thinking that she was in trouble, I kept thinking
    she's escaped (although there is no open holes or anywhere to escape
    from). My clinic fones to tell me that the 'phones are being put
    onto pager, and I'm just screaming that I can't find the bitch and
    ask (I think it should be I told her ) to get Gywnne, my vet tech
    friend to wait by her cell and I'll 'phone when I hit the road. It
    took me what seem like hours, but only minutes to find Hannah, under
    the porch in a very dark place behind the lattice work and I just
    ripped the lattice work off, pulled her out and put her on the bed
    inside my truck, and hit the road. What usually takes me 40-45
    minutes to drive, took me 16 minutes with my flashers on, high beams
    blinking at t

    hose stupid people that insist on driving in the passing lane, and
    horn blaring.

    I hit the back door of the clinic with a seizuring Hannah and Gwynne
    grabbed Smartie and we (I was helper only) prepped them for IV's with
    a quick assessement by my beloved veterinarian Al. This clinic is
    emergency trained and there was 3 techs, 1 runner, Al, and myself
    scrambling to get these puppies stablized. They were crashing and
    crashing fast. Protocol warrants Valium for seizuring dogs, so after
    a quick weigh on them, Valium was given to Hannah through the IV and
    whatever the prescribed amount was for her weight, a lesser amount
    of 0.5mgs (?) was given, and as they are working on Smartie, I'm
    with Hannah & Cathy (vet tech), and IMMEDIATELY she stops seizuring
    and her heartrate is going down fast and stops. Out comes the emerg
    kit, she's tubed and atrophine is administerd to bring her back and
    after a few minutes she comes back and appears to stabilize
    again. It is a given that her stomach needs pumping however at that
    moment in time it was impossible as they were trying to keep her
    alive. Smartie at that moment, is still with us and then I bring
    Trace in for assessment and he is fine (thank god for his food hound
    attributes, cause food is his life and thanks to his sire is probably
    why he is still alive)...... ..and then

    ......Smartie crashes..... ...

    When it finally appeared that things were settling down (a matter of
    minutes, not hours), Al wanted us (Gwynne & me) to go home, look for
    the cause and of course, Gwynne was to monitor the other dogs vitals,
    just in case. We looked around in the area where I had seen them
    playing for that brief moment and found mushrooms... .Gwynne called Al.......

    The pieces we found explained the small piece (the size of an eraser
    on the top of your pencil) that was pumped from Hannah's stomach. At
    that time, they were being monitored and appeared stable and much the
    same as when we left them. Within the hour (although my sense of
    timing by this time was gone), Al 'phoned and told me what was going
    on and that all his training, all his experience, all his energy,
    could not save these puppies and that the best thing would be to let
    them go. The decision was made to let them go as they were in a coma
    and being kept alive by machine and human hands. There was nothing
    else that could be done......they were just 4 months old........and
    so I let them go.

    So, from my tragedy, I hope you learn about these mushrooms. Of
    course, we can't have our dogs living in glass houses and not be
    allowed to be just......dogs. .....I have almost 6 acres of property
    and 1-1/2 is fenced for the dogs and the dogs DO NOT access the rest
    of the property. I clean up poop daily and pick up anything that
    looks or could look to be offensive to the dogs. What else can I
    do? I have never, in the 24 years of living on this property with
    puppies and/or adults, lost dogs to this. Of course, when poop
    scooping, like all of us, we get rid of mushrooms as we find them, as
    a precaution, but to have this happen is a shock.

    These particular mushrooms are not prevalent in this area. There is
    one school of thought that they appeared on Vancouver Island in
    '98....others say there are not on the Island. There is at least 2
    species from what I learned in my research and it is not certain if
    these are the mushrooms I have found or not. When Gwynne and I were
    searching for the cause we found more and they were taken to the
    clinic for evaluation. I found 6 or 7 on the Friday, none on
    Saturday, and one today (Sunday). They are not dangerous in their
    button stage as juveniles as they haven't developed the spores to
    reproduce, but they will kill if ingested! Mushroom fanatics have
    died simply by touching them, cross contaminating them to their
    edible mushrooms and cooking those.

    When in the juvenile stage, they are pretty much white and level with
    the ground and they hide under vegetation which makes it difficult to
    find them. I have had to rake the area north to south and south to
    north, then east to west and west to east morning and late afternoon
    to try and find them. I have not found many more. They were in one
    general area where lots of sunlight hits the ground but with some low
    growing vegetation that keeps the ground moist. Every one I have
    found, save one, since the incident has been in it's juvenile stage
    so they won't be reproducing. Given time, they will be gone, but
    they could crop up again from the adults that had spores that I did
    find or that the puppies had eaten. When the Summer hits, they will
    go dormant and sometimes not always, reappear in the Fall.

    I have been in contact with a mushroom expert and I am awaiting his
    instructions. The pictures I have sent to him appear to be of one
    species and their odour is nauseating. The link I am providing
    http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Amanita_phalloid es is one of many. You
    may cross post to any dog lists or friends that you think may benefit
    from this or if any of you are involved in a dog magazine, you have
    permission to use this article along with my name.

    Finally, I would like to send out a HUGE THANKYOU to my clinic,
    Prevost Veterinary Clinic in Duncan, B.C. Canada, specifically Dr.
    Allan Longair, Cathy, Gwynne, & Erin (all 3 are Veterinary Techs) and
    Karen who was a big help in trying to keep me calm. They went above
    and beyond to save Hannah and Smartie.

    May the shamrocks fall softly, you two......Darkenwald 's Lit'l Miss
    Sunshine (Hannah) and Darkenwald's Smartie Jones (Smartie); January
    4th, 2008 to May 8th, 2008, exactly 4 months and almost to the hour
    when they came into this world, they left it. Someone said 'God
    musta wanted Hannah & Smartie back. When I figure out the reason
    why, I'll let you all know......

    Leslie Anne Davey
    Darkenwald Setters (1968) & K9 Clips(1988)
    Ladysmith on Vancouver Island
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada setters@shaw. ca
    Leslie Anne Davey
    Darkenwald Setters (1968) & K9 Clips(1988)
    Ladysmith on Vancouver Island
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada setters@shaw. ca
    Jen
    "Posterity--you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams, July 4, 1837
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    • Gold Top Dog

    That is quite a sad story.

    A great way to help reduce the chances of your dog getting into potentially dangerous mushrooms is to pick up your dog yard regularly, disposing of fecal material which can grow all kinds of bad stuff too. But in the same time you may find mushrooms and get rid of those as well.  Also, there are some plants that will do a dog in if he likes to chew on those..

    Dogs get into plenty, not unlike kids and if you want him to last a long time, being a worry wart is a good thing!

    • Gold Top Dog

    What a shame!

    Here is a working link for the mushroom.

    Amanita phalloides, commonly known as the death cap, is a poisonous basidiomycete fungus, one of many in the genus Amanita.  Widely distributed across Europe, A. phalloides associates with various deciduous trees.  In some cases, death cap has been accidentally introduced to new regions with the cultivation of non-native species of oak, chestnut, and pine.  The large fruiting bodies (i.e., the mushrooms) appear in summer and autumn; the caps are generally greenish in colour, with a white stipe and gills.

    Coincidentally, these toxic mushrooms resemble several edible species (most notably the straw mushroom) commonly consumed by humans, increasing the risk of accidental poisonin.  A. phalloides is one of the most poisonous of all known toadstools.  It has been involved in the majority of human deaths from mushroom poisoning, possibly including the deaths of Roman Emperor Claudius and Holy Roman Emperor Charles VI.  It has been the subject of much research, and many of its biologically active agents have been isolated.  The principal toxic constituent is α-amanitin, which damages the liver and kidneys, often fatally.  No antidote is known. 

    • Gold Top Dog

    Thanks for warning us about this.  So sorry for your terrible experience and the loss of your puppies.

    • Silver

    These were not my pups, this was permission to crosspost from another forum.  I thought it was important enough to pass on, and thought of all of you here.  The lady sounds like a pretty responsible, long time breeder from the post.  Very sad, indeed.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I have had first-hand experience with mushroom poisoning in dogs, and let me share that it is a horrendous thing to have to endure. I do not wish it upon anybody, especially the poor dogs. Before it happened we never knew there was a risk of the poisoning in our location, and wouldn't you know after it happened more and more cases occurred that same summer. The prevalence of mushroom poisonings has increased where I live dramatically, and it has caused a lot of concern for our animals. I remember spending many a day picking hundreds of mushrooms from the fenced yard, every single day, for two months during mushroom time, to try to avoid another tragedy. Everytime a dog threw up grass we'd be investigating it to ensure there were no mushroom remnants in it. It really made summers a lot less enjoyable. Living in my apartment now, I don't have to worry about it as much, although I do have to still be careful where we walk, as now I don't know what species of mushrooms are in my new living area.

     But please, take these notes seriously. You can think it would never happen to you. I certainly never would have expected somehing like that to happen to my family. But it did. And it can happen to anybody.