Breed Rescue Question (Beagle)

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    Breed Rescue Question (Beagle)

    The lady from the shelter a few towns over comes to my work every weekend.  She tries so hard to place dogs and has hardly missed a weekend...unlike our towns humane society, that cannot be bothered to drive 5 miles to Petco even when we are doing HUGE fundraisers for them.  Anyway, she told me of this beagle that she has that is very loud(would a beagle be any other way).  He needs to be in more of a foster type setting so he can get some work on that and become a great pet.  The thing is, she has contacted the Oklahoma Beagle rescues and they turned him down due to the fact that she is no-kill and he wasn't in any immediate danger.  No matter if he is at a kill or no-kill facility, he needs work to become a pet that he cannot get where he is.  Does anyone know if rescues in surrounding states would be an option?  She is willing to drive him where ever he needs to go!
    ETA: Forgot to add his Petfinder link!
    http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7840091
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    you said...
    Anyway, she told me of this beagle that she has that is very loud(would a beagle be any other way). 
    This is a myth. All Beagles are not loud. A loud Beagle is a Beagle who is disatisfied in someway. They usually do not bay without reason. Why is she having a hard time with this dog??? Could it be because of silly myths like this?
    We have rescued nearly 600 now and I think maybe 4 or 5 of them were anywhere near as noisy as my nieghbors Pomeranians...who bark non stop about nothing at all...the rest only bark when given cause to do so.
     
    you said...
     The thing is, she has contacted the Oklahoma Beagle rescues and they turned him down due to the fact that she is no-kill and he wasn't in any immediate danger.  No matter if he is at a kill or no-kill facility, he needs work to become a pet that he cannot get where he is.
    Well...I cannot speak for the OK. Rescue organization...but I will share this. Beagle rescues are swamped. We typically concentrate on the dogs who are at the most risk first. There are literally thousands in need and we cannot take them all...so what to do? We try to concentrate our efforts where they will do the most good.
     
    as a second issue to this...You have no idea how many requests we get from other rescues and no kill shelters to take their dogs. We get requests everyday from other rescues who pulled his Beagle or that Beagle, but have no interest or way to care for the dog...and then get angry with us when we say we are full.    If they had no plan to manage or care for the dog why did they pull it then????  IF A RESCUE PULLS A DOG...THAT RESCUE SHOULD CARE FOR THAT DOG! We do not pull Poodles and then go searching for some other group to take the dog. That is both irresponsible and foolish. We DO carry a contact file around with us and will give that info to shelter for them to contact a few poodle rescues.
     
     It is frustrating for us. We hear this all the time..."Oh he was so cute I could not leave him there but now you HAVE to take him because I cannot keep him here"...then you should not have pulled him to begin with. I even had some animal right nut send me a picture of a Beagle AFTER it had been euthanised to show me " what I had done!" by refusing to take the dog when we were full.
    No Kill shelters...
    it is my opinion that if a no kill shleter does not have the resources to manage dogs like this one...if they do not have the ability to train and work with difficult dogs to find them homes...then they have no business being a no kill shelter. This dog will likely end up with Kennel craze and severly stressed and this will doom him to a life of returned/failed adoptions which...with each one..will make him less and less adoptable. So they are not doing this dog any favors.
    It is easy to point the finger at the rescue...but almost without exception...our work is based in fixing the mistakes of others...so you will find very few reputable or skilled rescuers whose policies are not well thought out and well planned, serve a VERY functional purpose, and are meant to make them as effective as possible given their situations. You will find even fewer rescuers who will be willing to make apologies for thier proceedures. I can guarantee you the the OK rescue probably has a very good reason for why they do what they do...
    the shelter on the other hand may need to rethink their strategies a little.
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    Wow. Man. Beagles. They always seem to wind up in situations like this and I can't really figure out why. Okay maybe I do have a theory. Because they are just irresistably adorable and of a small size yet they really, in my opinion, do require some special breed knowledge to deal with. People who never in a thousand years would want, say, a bloodhound, get beagles not realizing that in that cute little package is a very similar dog.

    I agree with RobDar, it was really irresponsible for a no-kill shelter to take on a dog that they were not prepared to deal with. It really makes the no-kill movement look very bad when these kinds of organizations shunt off the more difficult cases to others, keeping only the easy and highly adoptable dogs.
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    I guess I'd have to agree with Cressida here. 
     
    I'd also just like to add that Beagles are first and foremost scenthounds!  These are dogs that, if given the opportunity, will follow a scent until they drop.  They have tremendous stamina.  Yes they are cute, but people that get them aren't prepared to meet the energy requirements for them.  And this is why you see so many overweight beagles, sadly.
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    ORIGINAL: houndlove

    I agree with RobDar, it was really irresponsible for a no-kill shelter to take on a dog that they were not prepared to deal with. It really makes the no-kill movement look very bad when these kinds of organizations shunt off the more difficult cases to others, keeping only the easy and highly adoptable dogs.

     
    In fairness, rescues do act responsibly and take in dogs that they think they can deal with.  It is not until the dog is in program and when other serious issues arise that the rescue thinks it would make more sense for someone with more breed knowledge that can cope better to take over. 
     
    I don't select the dogs that I foster.  With Marvin the hound, I admit that my rescue organization talk about moving Marvin to a hound rescue.  That made sense to them that a hound rescue can better rehab a SA hound.  But they did not talk to me and since I incurred all the SA destruction and worked on SA proofing my home, he was going nowhere.  I have mostly worked on the behavior problems and have not done a lot with the breed knowledge.  That is what I would use a hound rescue for.  Not to take over responsibility but tell me about the breed, its behavior, its needs, tips and tricks.
     
    For the OP, I have fostered two beagles and it was a wonderful experience.  Would do again.
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    OK, I think there was a misunderstanding here.  She does not choose the dogs she gets.  Most of them are dumped upon her.  So it is not like she went to the animal control and just picked him because he was cute.  She tries to do the best she can for the dogs that are dumped upon her.  Sometimes that means trying to get them into a breed rescue.  I did not mean that all Beagles bark for no reason, but they are hounds and that is their nature.  With training and management, this can be put under control so he is not barking at every moving thing and can become a great family member.  I am very offended at RobDar's tone.  You act like this woman did an irresponsible thing by rescuing this dog and by trying to get it into breed rescue.  The fact is, he was dumped on her and he needs more work from a breed knowlegeable person than she can give.  She is not angry or upset at all if the rescues are full, but is doing everything to try to get him into a situation where he can get the time and attention he needs...but I guess that's irresponsible since she should not have taken him if she couldn't do that in the first place.
    Sorry, I got a little off topic there.  Personally, I love Beagles and would foster him in a second if I could.  But, I don't have the set up right now and two dogs is enough in my small apartment.  Now, hopefully, someone will have some more constructive advice for finding a place for this guy?
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    I don't know about OK, but the rescues around here are absolutely drowning in Beagles, perhaps that is why they aren't taking in dogs who aren't in immediate danger.  Here's a bunch of links to rescues recognised by the National Beagle Club:  [linkhttp://clubs.akc.org/NBC/beagle_rescue.htm]http://clubs.akc.org/NBC/beagle_rescue.htm[/link]
    Would she be able to talk to another nearby shelter that might have foster homes available?  It can't hurt to ask around.