AKC Frustration

    • Gold Top Dog

    AKC Frustration

    I have found that in talking to people I am in the minority on this one, but I am curious how many of you feel. I will start this out be saying that I truly think AKC is a wonderful organization in many ways, and I have a lot of respect for much of what they do. I am frustrated by some things though. 

    For example - I am curious how they decide what the 'breed standard' should be.  For example - colors.  Why is an AKC white Boxer not okay to show?  Why is an AKC solid colored German Shorthair not okay?  Why are AKC parti colored Poodles not okay to show?  (I''m talking about conformation shows) 

    Who decides what colors are okay for a breed and what is the reasoning behind it?  The only thing I have ever heard about the white boxer is that they have a tendency to be deaf.  (Having known 3 white boxers personally, all of whom are older now and perfectly fine, I question that.  I also had a vet tell me that there is much controversy about the validity of that as well.  But that's besides the point.) 

    I am just curious as to how these rules are made and if they frustrate anyone besides me!!

    • Gold Top Dog

    AKC has issues the way any org run as a business does. But the PARENT CLUBS for each breed determine and set the standards. AKC isn't to blame for that...at least.

    • Gold Top Dog

     The breed clubs set the breed standard.

     

    Solid GSPs can be shown - "Color
    The coat may be of solid liver or a combination of liver and white such as liver and white ticked, liver patched and white ticked, or liver roan. A dog with any area of black, red, orange, lemon or tan, or a dog solid white will be disqualified. "

    Poodles are a whole 'nuther ball game, and honestly, I'm not quite sure why that breed standard was written the way it is.

     
    White boxers are extreme white piebalds- and yes, they ARE prone to deafness (even if the three you've known ae okay- I know quite a few who ARE deaf, althoug most are only unilaterally deaf. The problem with that though, is that unless they're BAER tested, a unilaterally deaf dog geneally *seems* okay- and breeding uni to uni increases your # of deaf (partially or totally) dogs overall. That's what I've been told the raesoning on them is. Additionally, the boxers were a guardian breed- like GSDs, like Dobes- and white was considered not good for a guard dog that works a night.

     
    While color *is* sometimes immaterial, I'd rather see a breed club restrict it too closely than end up in the situation some breeds have ended up in, where foreign colors haev been brought in by crossbreeding and claimed as 'rare mutations' or 'it's always been there, people ust didn't want to admit it';). (The primary example of this is the merle in chihuahuas, pomeranians, cockers!)
     

     

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    The Terv club just revised the standard and it is done by a vote of the club members... I dont agree with the changes, so I will not purchase another terv if the breeder allows these changes to justify issues I can not live with.  Grey is no longer severely penalized, but red is still preferred.  The issue I have problems with involve change in the bite, both how it sits in the mouth and missing teeth.  Makes me crazy.....

    My biggest complaint about the AKC,,,, there is a hidden "bible" of rules and regulations for dog shows (far beyond the booklets commonly provided).  We have been in trouble for things that have never been covered in a seminar nor explained in the manuals... That is a problem in my book.

     I wish they would change the standard for a championship to include health testings,  but they have started issuing the CH health certificates so that is a step in the right direction.  I would also like to see them put more money in on site investigations of high number breeders (commercial places and puppy millers) but doubt that will happen either.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I personally refuse to have anything to do with AKC. I think their promotion of dog beauty pageants has ruined a large number of breeds.

    • Gold Top Dog

    mudpuppy

    I personally refuse to have anything to do with AKC. I think their promotion of dog beauty pageants has ruined a large number of breeds.




         Spoken like someone who truly does not understand the purpose of showing ... Besides, while I have my own "frustrations" with AKC, I'm the first one to admit it's the BREEDER'S responsibility to preserve the breed. If a breed is ruined, it ain't AKC & their judges/shows that did it - was the breeders fault entirely ...

         BTW, to answer the OP's ?, yes, as has been mentioned, the parent club sets the standard, not the regestries. However, some breeds are disqualified for color sometimes just for the "look" it gives a breed, but many times certain color patterns are directly related to severe health issues - such as white Dobies and skin issues, deaf white Boxers, health problems in Merle chihuahuas ...
    • Gold Top Dog

    As it was stated earlier, it's the parent breed clubs who make the breed standard and not the AKC. In Boston Terriers, red/fawn/brown/grey/blue are colors that are disqualified. The reason they are disqualified is because it takes away the expression of the breed and expression is really big in it. Not only that, a lot of Bostons of disqualified colors don't look like Boston Terriers. They look like Boxer mixes. If you're interested, you can read more about it here.