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    Last night I was walking Maddi in a place that I walk very regularly (4+ times a week). I also walk her other places, such as the city (where I live), on a well traveled dirt road, and hiking places etc. I even take her in the local petco once every couple of weeks. I do this for socialization because she generally still doesn't trust people and she started to get... I dunno, reactive I guess towards other dogs when we had one bad encounter on previously mentioned dirt road. Nothing terrible happened, except we were harassed by an off leash dog while his owner sat in the car reading. The dog barked at her than ran all over and barked some more... typical unsure-dog-that-needs-to-be-on-a-leash-with-supervision type stuff.

     Anyway, within the week, Maddi started going south quickly to the point where she started lunging and snarling at a little pug across the street from us. I took a proactive approach and began rewarding her for civil behavior upon the sight of other dogs. Once she was doing well with that, I trampsed all over the city with her. No response to dogs barking at her got lavishly rewarded, but reactive behavior resulted in us walking the opposite direction and stopping until she made good, solid eye contact with me whenever I said her name. That was rewarded and then we'd try again. She's made great progress, making eye contact with me and obeying commands even with a dog screaming at us through a fence with probably only 15 feet between the dog and us (and of course, the fence).

     Fast forward to now. The same problem I've always had keeps popping up. Maddi really does love other dogs, but her interaction with them is limited. Almost always, other dog owners avoid us when they see us coming. For instance, last night a couple with an off leash black lab turned around well before we were close to them... they got in their car and left. It's very frusterating because I don't even get the chance to say "she lacks some doggy social skills, but she's friendly" before they are high-tailing it outta there.

    She interacts find with a co-workers dog, my bosses dogs, and my uncle's labs whom I house sat for. Last winter, she and an Akita ran on a trail together. She's played with boxers and let the older female playfully pin her. She's met a male leonberger. When she sees other dogs though, she gets very focused and very excited. She pulls on the leash, especially when its an off leash dog. I think it'd kind of intimidating to some dog owners. But I wish they'd give her a chance. I'm afraid that I will have a dog aggressive dog if I don't amp up the social interaction.

    I'm going to check out a doggy day care today that I've been meaning to since the pug incident. But, I also want her to interact with other dogs from everywhere. I'm hoping that doggy day care will help to tone down her excitement... but, I guess besides my rant, I wanted to learn from you guys. What do you do when other dog owners avoid your dog?

     

    Thanks for anyone who listens,

    Becky.

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     I'm interested in responses too.  I have the same issues with Crusher.  He's gotten alot better about ignoring passing dogs on our walks, but I guess he still gets that look in his eyes or something. 

    Do you have any off leash parks near you?  The only other thing I can think of is a class?  or see if you can't set up some play dates with other dogs. 

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    pumaward
    What do you do when other dog owners avoid your dog?

     

    Personally I don't think there is much you can do when they avoid you - we get that quite often too.  Bugsy isn't reactive but he wants to meet all dogs and he gets too happy.  He too gets a very focused look and his amber eyes against his dark coat give him a kujo look.  One thing I have done is try to a) see what may get his focus before he does b) I make him sit and wait for them to pass/or arrive.  Lots of people are 'impressed' by his discipline and seem less threatened.  I also have implemented NEVER letting him meet a dog or human if he is too excited - even if they want to.  I want him to realize that he gets to meet on my terms not his.

    Basically I try to get into his head - which once he is focused is darn near impossible - and keep some of his brain engaged with me.

    **disclaimer**   I am NOT an experienced trainer or dog behaviorist I just own a very large, muscular, independent & intense dog who has made it essential that I learn more about dog training that I would have normally done.  I work on this with him all the time and have the same irritation with the people that increase my problem by being afraid.  I've ranted about it in the past.

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    I am not certain, but the only off leash dog parks that I know of in the state are in the Burlington area, which is 1-1.5hrs away from me (such a bummer!) There's only one place that I know of in my area that I can let her off leash and that's a tennis court.

    I am considering anothe class. I took her to one last year, and I must say she was the 2nd best in the class (the best was an 9 year old). I'm currently broke because I haveto pay tutition but I am hoping by spring I could get her in either a clicker training class or another basic manners class.

     

    This may sound like a silly idea, but how do you approach people about doggy play dates. None of my friends have dogs so it's difficult to find someone.

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    Teddi has an issue with dogs his size or bigger than him as well. He was a shy puppy, and this issue never stemmed from any instance, but his first advanced puppy class is when his nastiness came out toward a doberman. A doberman pup who he was fine with the previous class. We take him on walks and to petsmart and such, and we are working on him. We practice leave it, and we practice having him sit and wait til the others pass. Sometimes it's hard to get his attention focused on us and not on the dog passing so we always carry treats. I have had people comment about how he's aggressive to me, which I always ignore because he absolutely LOVES people!

    As for doggy playdates, you can try posting an ad on craigslist. It's something I'm thinking about doing as well. I have seen others post on there for playdates so its worth a shot. 

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     You might try just approaching people you see often, walking thier dogs.  Do it without Maddi in tow, and just try to explain your situation.  That she needs to work on doggy manners, but is really very friendly, and is their dog good with other dogs?  Its going out on a limb, but if you see those people often enough walking their dog, they are likely a good dog owner that has socialized thier dog well.

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    kpwlee

     I also have implemented NEVER letting him meet a dog or human if he is too excited - even if they want to.  I want him to realize that he gets to meet on my terms not his.

     I think this is vital advice.  Really spot on.  I have noticed so many people with super excited dogs - and let's face it, it is often very difficult to tell the difference between a dog that is super excited to meet your dog vs. super excited to eat your dog! - anyway, they just hang on to the leash as the dog is lunging and barking and say "oh, he just wants to play".  IMO, it is important to let dogs meet when they are relatively calm, otherwise my experience is that things can go south quite quickly.

    Dont' be too hard on people going away from you.  Often times the other dog owner may have issues with their own dog and it may have nothing at all to do with yours.  I choose not pass a dog that is lunging and barking or really hyped up or even ones that really tense up and get that intense stare and raise themselves up.  I have been working on my own dogs fear of bigger dogs and can't afford to have them backslide as they are now doing so well. 

     Wishing you much luck with your dog and I hope you find a playdate friend - Craigslist sounds like a good idea.

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    Well, I (and Maddi) had a set back... :(.

     

    I wanted to take her to the vets office to weigh her, but they were busy. So I went into the store where I work. I was talking to my co-workers when a husky (a regular) came in. Maddi and the husky were sniffing and everyting was fine until I tried to move her so that the guy could finish getting in the door. That's when all hell broke loose. Maddi grumbled, the husky growled, Maddi and Husky both snarling and lunging. No physical contact was made, so, in that sense, everything's fine. We separated them and let them calm down. He went one way in the store, I another. Afterward, with half the store between us, she was "fine" unless the other dog looked at her.

     I feel like it's my fault, and it probably is.  I tugged on the leash and set things in motion.

    Anyway, thanks for the ideas, guys.

    Over to the behavior section now...