Genetics query. 100% brindle= pit?

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    Genetics query. 100% brindle= pit?

    For those of you who know coat color genetics... what "common" dog breeds can cross to make a bog that is 100% brindled- no masking, no white. Just tan with black tiger stripes. The dog in question also has black spots on it's tongue adn at 6 months is about 35 pounds, lean but not "beefy." 
     
    I know many breeds are brindled- but they also usually have a mask, don't they?
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    Greyhounds and Plott hounds are two that immediately come to mind, but I'm sure there are others.
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    Akitas.
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    I just surfed the web and Boxers came up ---

    "The number of each gene a Boxer gets determines its coat color. The brindle gene is dominant, which means that any time a dog has even one brindle gene, it will be a brindle."
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    I think there might be a longer list than you think.  And just because this dog doesn't have a mask or white points, doesn't mean that the parent with brindling doesn't have a mask or white points. 
     
    Here's some that came to my mind (brindle w/o mask or white points)
    Dutch Shepherds, Irish wolfhounds, Bullmastiff, Afghan Hound, Scottish Deerhounds, Azwaks, Scottish Terriers, etc. 
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    I have been researching coat color genetics in Miniature Pinschers, and it is not a cut and dry subject. There is new research being done with DNA analysis that will define coat color. The information that has/is being used is from the 1950's.  "All are based on hypothesized alleles at hypothesized loci to fit data obtained from coat colors and patterns of dogs from various breeds and litters. DNA research has shown that there are more genes involved than those hypothesized by these authors and that the actual number of alleles at genes they discuss is more for some genes and fewer for other genes."  This quote is from Dr. Sheila M. Schmtz website. I am very impressed by the work she is doing. Her webpage is:http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/dogcolors.html  Coat color is influenced by multiple genes, and how those genes interact vary depending on the breed.  I would highly suggest reading that first page, then going to the links under K Lokus that discusses brindles. Hopefully the information that she has will help you. It is definitely an interesting subject to read and study.

    Amy
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    Mastiffs
    Bullmastiffs
    Bostom terriers (rarer than a hundred years ago, but still around)
    French bulldogs
    Bulldogs
    Cane Corso
    Tosa Inus
    How about Neos?

    Those are all I can think of that aren't listed above, but I am SURE there are more.



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    it's possible in just about every breed that comes in brindle. Cardigans come in brindle, and although they generally have white markings, it's entirely possible to have a Cardi without them- I know a tricolor Cardi with black brindle points, no blaze, white toes, a few white hairs on her tail, and a tiny patch on her chest- and no other white.
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    I know that in b/mastiffs the mask is essential, but I'm not so sure about boxers.  I don't know enough about genetics to say whether crosses of those breeds would have masks though - ie. whether the "mask gene" is dominant...... 
     
    I know someone with a pure brindle greyhound.... will see if I can get some pics.
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    I looked at the Schmutz website.. and a couple of others but the genetics info is a lot to take in! BUT I think I understand that-- a 100% brindled dog is really a 100% tan/red/brown dog with a brindle gene? SO, theoretically, a yellow lab crossed with any other dog with a tiny bit of brindlingcould produce this 100% brindled coat in the puppies?