Behaviour question on new MinPin

    • Gold Top Dog

    Behaviour question on new MinPin

    Keela has finally settled in enough that some of her quirks are beginning to show up. Hopefully, this behaviour she is exhibiting is just that - a quirk - and not a problem.  She is kicking her hind legs out, like some dogs will do after going to the bathroom, except she does hers all the time, not after going to the bathroom.

    For example, we were playing fetch yesterday.  I was sitting on the floor throwing various toys for her and Jezebelle to chase. I don't just throw the toy, I play tug with them a little bit first, then throw it. During this play period, she kicks her hind legs out.  I think it is in anticipation of me throwing the toy. When she and Jezz are playing, she'll also do this. I figure this is just part of her personality when she gets worked up. It didn't/doesn't bother me.

    But what has me worried, is that I caught her in the kitchen digging at one of the cabinets. I told her uh uh, and removed her from the kitchen.  I find her in there later trying to do the same thing. I tell her no again this time, but with the word 'no'.  She stops, looks at me, and goes to kicking her hind legs, almost like a little kid might stomp their feet when they are having a temper tantrum.  This time the behaviour concerns me.

    Now, their water bowl is in the kitchen, which is why I don't have her locked out of that room. Acutally, the kitchen and living room are the only two rooms she is allowed free movement in as I can see her since we are still working on the potty training issue.  Second, I have been using uh-uh, instead of 'no' to correct inappropriate behavior. I save no for when she is really going after something that might be dangerous for her, or a behaviour that needs instant stopping. This has been working good, but tonight, when I had to do the firm 'no' - I get the leg kicking almost like a challenge to me telling her not to do something.

    The only other time I have noticed this behaviour, was when she was staring at the box blocking the hallway to where the cat's food and litter box are located.

    I don't know if I am reading too much into the leg kicking behaviour, or whether it is just one of her weird personality traits. Has anyone else had this type of behaviour as a dominant or challenging problem? 

    My mom says I am having 'new mom jitter's' since I am worried that I am either letting her get away with too much because she's in a new situation or being too inhibiting in trying to teach her manners and limits.

    Anyone with any thoughts on this behaviour? (She's 9 months old, and we've had her for 2 weeks come Saturday)
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    I don't know about your situation specifically but I know that Izzy, who is about 10 months old, has a lot of strange behaviors like that.  She is very expressive with her legs and feet.  She uses her front paws a lot and taps them and does different types of stuff with them.  I usually notice that she is just so wild and never really thought of it as a dominance thing.  I will say though that Izzy is into EVERYTHING these days.  I think it is her age but she is a little terror and when we tell her to stop she justs finds something else.  She is really into chewing things up right now so I am being very vigilant in keeping appropriate chew toys available for her.  I think if you keep being firm she will adjust.  You have to remember, Min Pins have a mind of their own and will challange you every chance they get to see how far they can push and get away with things.  You have Jezz trained well I take it and it will probably just take a little time and patience with your new pup.   

    BTW, she is SUCH a cutie!!!
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    scratching off, which many dogs will do after marking something...esp dominant dogs...spreads their scent around an area and tops of what they've marked. It also gives a visual sign that there is a mark there.
     
    I would interpret this behavior as talking back, definitely...the same way some dogs will "talk smack" by grumbling rowring, etc after they've been corrected. What to do about it? Well I am sure the training set here will have lots of input...
     
    But bear in mind as I have a dim recollection that you were going to show this bitch? That kind of 'tude is GREAT and will take you very far in the ring...call it attitude or pizzazz....whatever, the best showdogs have it and it makes living with them day to day a real challenge! But it's better to have it because you CANNOT cultivate it when it's not there...so mind what you do doesn't completely dampen her flame...lol!
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    Minpins are smart, devilish little dogs!  [:D]My 10 yr old neutered male will challenge me darn near every day.  He also kicks his back legs out, but generally he reserves it for after pottying.  We spent several long years with him in obedience classes, agility classes, etc. He even did tracking for a short time and found 2 lost pet dogs :)
     
    Anyway, be sure to do some low key dominance reinforcers- like humans through the doors first, sit/stay for their food, keeping off the furniture/bed (if you want, it really helps with Gobie's attitude), long down/stays, etc.  Also I follow the NILIF method (nothing in life is free) so he earns everything.  This I started about a year ago and MAN what a difference it's made in him. He has cut way down on challenging *me* but he still sees how far he can push dh and any other humans who care for him.
    But then Gobie is pretty hard core dominant. I can't imagine how awful he *could* have been if I hadn't gotten him on teh right path.
     
    BUT as rwbeagles said, this type of attitude is GREAT for showing, training, competing.  He has a total "yes, I can do it!" attitude and learned obedience very quickly. He got his CD in a 3 day weekend and was High In Trial every day! :) Good dog Gobie!!  He also did well in agility but we never did earn any legs on that.  He is intelligent, sweet, funny and lively and I'm thankful to have a minpin in my life to teach me all sorts of important doggy questions.

    Good luck with her- sorry, got a little long :)
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    ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

    scratching off, which many dogs will do after marking something...esp dominant dogs...spreads their scent around an area and tops of what they've marked. It also gives a visual sign that there is a mark there.
     
    I would interpret this behavior as talking back, definitely...the same way some dogs will "talk smack" by grumbling rowring, etc after they've been corrected. What to do about it? Well I am sure the training set here will have lots of input...
     



    This is exactly what I've always been told.  Dogs have scent glands on the bottoms of thier feet, and it's a territorial/dominance type of behavior.  I know someone that used to have a chihuahua that would do that while barking at strangers and passersby.  It was quite entertaining to see that lil thing get so worked up, and act so big.
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    I have to say when I got Jezebelle, I knew she was going to be energetic and full of attitude - but nothing prepares you for it other than owning one! LOL  She taught me a new meaning for willfulness. She learned quickly, and then started trying to put her own spin on obeying. That is one reason I found this board. She is on NILIF, and you are right, it makes a world of difference in their attitude. We've got some backsliding going on with her since Keela came home, but I also expected that. And I do love how they use their feet! Sometimes Jezzy makes me think she is part cat with how she utilizes her feet!

    Jezz talks back, but she is vocal - Keela is physical with hers.  And you are right, I want that 'attitude' with her since we are going to be showing. That is one reason her breeder let her go. She had her in the show ring, she even has 2 RWB's and a Best Puppy - but she quit on the attitude part. Attitude for MinPins in the show ring is a big part of their judging, and she started holding her tail down instead of up as she went around the ring. She felt she would do better with more of a one-on-one connection, and we feel very fortunate that her breeder felt us to be a good home for her. She knew we wanted to get into showing, and that handling classes would be good for both of us.

    I was glad to see the attitude when we were playing - the animation was back in her face and behaviour, but that 'scratching' when I told her no - lets just say the 'mom' in me groaned. I don't want to inhibit her, but she also needs some limits. Training a dog that is going to be in the conformation ring feels rather daunting right now. I really want to find a handling class. I am hoping that someone with the Beaumont Kennel Club will get back to me. For those of you who show, I would really appreciate some tips - and get as long as you want!

    We were going to wait till we were in an area that had better access to training classes etc. for getting a show dog, but when Mrs. W. offered us Tequila - lets just say it was to good of an offer to turn down. She has what we want to start our showing career and future kennel - but I am really feeling the lack of training help right now. :)

    He is intelligent, sweet, funny and lively and I'm thankful to have a minpin in my life to teach me all sorts of important doggy questions.

    I love this statement! And it does feel that way - they have taught me so much, and made me learn to be a better 'dog parent'! Thanks for your thoughts and help. I really appreciate it!
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    Generally when dogs do that with their hind legs its to leave their scent on the area kinda like marking their territory. But I have seen min pins stretch like that, and I have seen other dogs do that when they don't get their way kinda like as if releasing their frustration. I really cant say for sure but I wouldn't worry about it too much, if its a behavioral issue you will know in time and its most likely nothing a little obedience wont fix.
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    Are you already on the TxShowdogs List on Yahoogroups? If not let me know and I can direct you. I am on there and that is a GREAT way to find handling classes and advice etc....
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    I am a member of Yahoo, so I will look that group up. Is that the exact name of the group?  I appreciate the info on it, as I heard back from the closest kennel club and that don't offer handling classes.
    *sigh*
    I guess it is back to self-teaching - me, then her. LOL Oh well, I knew I lived in the boonies to begin with!

    Edited to add: the closest kennel club is a little over an hour away, everything else is 2-3 hours :(